A-Ram update

[Cubzfan64]

It can and will be argued over and over again, but personally I put team chemistry and lack of hustle in the same category for the most part.

 

When a team is winning, the chemistry is good and everybody seems to be hustling - and even when little things happen, they are quickly forgotten and or glossed over as long as the team keeps winning.

 

When the team is losing, team chemistry seems to become an issue too much and when a guy doesn't hustle in some given situation, it's overblown and overexamined to death.

 

It's just human nature to perceive the sky is sunny and bright when everything is going well and it's doom and gloom when it's not.

[BigbadB]

Has anyone heard anything about Derrek's daughter. I've been out of town a lot, and I haven't heard anything.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Has anyone heard anything about Derrek's daughter. I've been out of town a lot, and I haven't heard anything.

 

I haven't heard any more about her specifically, but Derrek and Wyc Grousbeck have teamed up with the U of Iowa. Story

[BigbadB]

My dad had stomach cancer removed by the U of Iowa medical team at the VA hospital in Iowa City.

 

They did an awesome job with an incredibly difficult procedure. Probably a good choice on Derrek's part.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

My dad had stomach cancer removed by the U of Iowa medical team at the VA hospital in Iowa City.

 

They did an awesome job with an incredibly difficult procedure. Probably a good choice on Derrek's part.

 

Say what you want about their athletics, but they have one of the top hospitals in the world.

[CuseCubFan69]

My dad had stomach cancer removed by the U of Iowa medical team at the VA hospital in Iowa City.

 

They did an awesome job with an incredibly difficult procedure. Probably a good choice on Derrek's part.

 

Say what you want about their athletics, but they have one of the top hospitals in the world.

 

Isn't it a college for kids to learn too, a thing called academics? :scratch:

[Guest]

Has anyone heard anything about Derrek's daughter. I've been out of town a lot, and I haven't heard anything.

 

I believe there was a diagnosis. Not life-threatening but she will likely go completely blind. Lee started or became part of a foundation to battle the syndrome.

 

http://www.celebrity-babies.com/2006/10/derrek_lee_crea.html

[sandberg23]

My dad had stomach cancer removed by the U of Iowa medical team at the VA hospital in Iowa City.

 

They did an awesome job with an incredibly difficult procedure. Probably a good choice on Derrek's part.

 

Say what you want about their athletics, but they have one of the top hospitals in the world.

 

My family feels very fortunate that we live as close as we do to Iowa City for that purpose. I had a cousin with a terminal illness and, at the time, only about 20 other people in America were diagnosed with it and the only hospital in America that was studying/trying to treat it was Iowa City. Every time he needed a treatment or got sick, he had to go to Iowa City...it was so nice being so close to that hospital. Unfortunately, he passed away but it's comforting to know he had top-notch care so close to home whenever he needed it.

[Laura]

On Sunday, Oct. 8, Bruce Miles / The Daily Herald[/url]"] In player news, the agent for third baseman Aramis Ramirez said he hoped to exchange proposals this coming week with the Cubs. Ramirez has two more years and $22.5 million guaranteed coming from the Cubs, but he can opt out of his deal.

 

Look for the Cubs to offer a sweetener in terms of both years and money.

 

“We’ll probably be putting in some proposals in the next week,” agent Paul Kinzer said. “He likes it there, and that’s where he wants to be. We’ll just see what happens in the next couple of weeks.”

[USSoccer]

On Sunday, Oct. 8, Bruce Miles / The Daily Herald[/url]"] In player news, the agent for third baseman Aramis Ramirez said he hoped to exchange proposals this coming week with the Cubs. Ramirez has two more years and $22.5 million guaranteed coming from the Cubs, but he can opt out of his deal.

 

Look for the Cubs to offer a sweetener in terms of both years and money.

 

“We’ll probably be putting in some proposals in the next week,” agent Paul Kinzer said. “He likes it there, and that’s where he wants to be. We’ll just see what happens in the next couple of weeks.”

 

So far so good...

[Wheelimus]

And unless his request is unreasonable Jim-bo, pay the tab...

[soccer10k]

On Sunday, Oct. 8, Bruce Miles / The Daily Herald[/url]"] In player news, the agent for third baseman Aramis Ramirez said he hoped to exchange proposals this coming week with the Cubs. Ramirez has two more years and $22.5 million guaranteed coming from the Cubs, but he can opt out of his deal.

 

Look for the Cubs to offer a sweetener in terms of both years and money.

 

“We’ll probably be putting in some proposals in the next week,” agent Paul Kinzer said. “He likes it there, and that’s where he wants to be. We’ll just see what happens in the next couple of weeks.”

 

Good to hear.

[CuseCubFan69]

Ramirez will sign with the Yanks and then they will trade ARod. Jim didn't get it done in time.

[frostwyrm]

Um...gotta get to the World Series before that matters. I'd rather have a good player that occasionally may not hustle, than a mediocre player that gives it his all.

 

While that may be true at the professional level, as a coach it kills me to read a statement like that.

 

That's funny, because I know quite a few football coaches who always talk about wanting the talented kid as opposed to the hustling grinder type. It's obligatory to praise the hustling grinder, but I think a lot of coaches would love the opportunity to coach a phenomenal talent, even if he has some hustle issues.

 

"Hustling grinder type" of limited talent, otherwise known as the 'Rudy'. Everyone loves a Rudy, but everyone also knows you only dress him for one game.

 

But I still wish Aramis had a little more Rudy in him.

[Magnetic Curses]

Um...gotta get to the World Series before that matters. I'd rather have a good player that occasionally may not hustle, than a mediocre player that gives it his all.

 

While that may be true at the professional level, as a coach it kills me to read a statement like that.

 

That's funny, because I know quite a few football coaches who always talk about wanting the talented kid as opposed to the hustling grinder type. It's obligatory to praise the hustling grinder, but I think a lot of coaches would love the opportunity to coach a phenomenal talent, even if he has some hustle issues.

 

"Hustling grinder type" of limited talent, otherwise known as the 'Rudy'. Everyone loves a Rudy, but everyone also knows you only dress him for one game.

 

But I still wish Aramis had a little more Rudy in him.

 

baseball, at every level, is about talent.

 

hustling no help hit curve ball.

[CuseCubFan69]

Um...gotta get to the World Series before that matters. I'd rather have a good player that occasionally may not hustle, than a mediocre player that gives it his all.

 

While that may be true at the professional level, as a coach it kills me to read a statement like that.

 

That's funny, because I know quite a few football coaches who always talk about wanting the talented kid as opposed to the hustling grinder type. It's obligatory to praise the hustling grinder, but I think a lot of coaches would love the opportunity to coach a phenomenal talent, even if he has some hustle issues.

 

"Hustling grinder type" of limited talent, otherwise known as the 'Rudy'. Everyone loves a Rudy, but everyone also knows you only dress him for one game.

 

But I still wish Aramis had a little more Rudy in him.

 

baseball, at every level, is about talent.

 

hustling no help hit curve ball.

 

I think it's funny when it's either or. Let me ask this. Do you want Beltran or Manny? I'll take Beltran. Why, because he has talent and he hustles and knows the game. If Manny did the same things Beltran did I'd take him but he doesn't. I don't see why people always compare Manny to Neifi types when it comes to hustle vs talent.

 

I'll say this, I'll give you ARam as he is now and I'll take the one that stays in shape and hustles. I think staying in shape and doing the things you have to do to prolong your career is the direction all players should go.

 

Goony's right about talent, no doubt about it I want the best talent out there. But, when you're in a game and the kid that hits 250 beats out a grounder because the SS bobbles it with 2 outs and then your stud pops one out to win by one, you appreciate that hustle and he helped the team win because of it. No doubt, the kid that hits it out won the game with his homer, it would not have happened with out hustle. Almost all teams are not the Yankees and have 9 guys that hit 300 and can pop it out so you have to do that extra something sometimes to win a game. Sometimes the emotional, yes baseball with emotion, uplift of a diving catch can get a team out of it's mental phase that happens during baseball. That mental lift gives or brings a different focus for the team and also for the other team. I've had teams that hit line drives at people and the mental strain of that can be very draining at times. When you have a guy in CF dive and take away a sure double that team that has been hitting line drives and getting no rewards just sank a little farther. It's a tough mental game and that curve ball you sent out earlier with a line drive that was caught weighs a little more on your mind than it would if it fell. So if it's a either or question I'll take the hustling team over the one that doesn't if they both have the same or even a little worse talent for the hustlers.

[A New Era]

Um...gotta get to the World Series before that matters. I'd rather have a good player that occasionally may not hustle, than a mediocre player that gives it his all.

 

While that may be true at the professional level, as a coach it kills me to read a statement like that.

 

That's funny, because I know quite a few football coaches who always talk about wanting the talented kid as opposed to the hustling grinder type. It's obligatory to praise the hustling grinder, but I think a lot of coaches would love the opportunity to coach a phenomenal talent, even if he has some hustle issues.

 

"Hustling grinder type" of limited talent, otherwise known as the 'Rudy'. Everyone loves a Rudy, but everyone also knows you only dress him for one game.

 

But I still wish Aramis had a little more Rudy in him.

 

baseball, at every level, is about talent.

 

hustling no help hit curve ball.

 

I think it's funny when it's either or. Let me ask this. Do you want Beltran or Manny? I'll take Beltran. Why, because he has talent and he hustles and knows the game. If Manny did the same things Beltran did I'd take him but he doesn't. I don't see why people always compare Manny to Neifi types when it comes to hustle vs talent.

 

I'll say this, I'll give you ARam as he is now and I'll take the one that stays in shape and hustles. I think staying in shape and doing the things you have to do to prolong your career is the direction all players should go.

 

Goony's right about talent, no doubt about it I want the best talent out there. But, when you're in a game and the kid that hits 250 beats out a grounder because the SS bobbles it with 2 outs and then your stud pops one out to win by one, you appreciate that hustle and he helped the team win because of it. No doubt, the kid that hits it out won the game with his homer, it would not have happened with out hustle. Almost all teams are not the Yankees and have 9 guys that hit 300 and can pop it out so you have to do that extra something sometimes to win a game. Sometimes the emotional, yes baseball with emotion, uplift of a diving catch can get a team out of it's mental phase that happens during baseball. That mental lift gives or brings a different focus for the team and also for the other team. I've had teams that hit line drives at people and the mental strain of that can be very draining at times. When you have a guy in CF dive and take away a sure double that team that has been hitting line drives and getting no rewards just sank a little farther. It's a tough mental game and that curve ball you sent out earlier with a line drive that was caught weighs a little more on your mind than it would if it fell. So if it's a either or question I'll take the hustling team over the one that doesn't if they both have the same or even a little worse talent for the hustlers.

 

I want the one who puts up more production compared to money paid.

[CuseCubFan69]

I want the one who puts up more production compared to money paid.

 

What is production?

[A New Era]

I want the one who puts up more production compared to money paid.

 

What is production?

 

1. the act of producing; creation; manufacture. You know. Like maufacturing runs? :D

[USSoccer]

 

I think it's funny when it's either or. Let me ask this. Do you want Beltran or Manny? I'll take Beltran. Why, because he has talent and he hustles and knows the game. If Manny did the same things Beltran did I'd take him but he doesn't. I don't see why people always compare Manny to Neifi types when it comes to hustle vs talent.

 

I'll say this, I'll give you ARam as he is now and I'll take the one that stays in shape and hustles. I think staying in shape and doing the things you have to do to prolong your career is the direction all players should go.

 

Goony's right about talent, no doubt about it I want the best talent out there. But, when you're in a game and the kid that hits 250 beats out a grounder because the SS bobbles it with 2 outs and then your stud pops one out to win by one, you appreciate that hustle and he helped the team win because of it. No doubt, the kid that hits it out won the game with his homer, it would not have happened with out hustle. Almost all teams are not the Yankees and have 9 guys that hit 300 and can pop it out so you have to do that extra something sometimes to win a game. Sometimes the emotional, yes baseball with emotion, uplift of a diving catch can get a team out of it's mental phase that happens during baseball. That mental lift gives or brings a different focus for the team and also for the other team. I've had teams that hit line drives at people and the mental strain of that can be very draining at times. When you have a guy in CF dive and take away a sure double that team that has been hitting line drives and getting no rewards just sank a little farther. It's a tough mental game and that curve ball you sent out earlier with a line drive that was caught weighs a little more on your mind than it would if it fell. So if it's a either or question I'll take the hustling team over the one that doesn't if they both have the same or even a little worse talent for the hustlers.

 

'Cuse, Aramis stayed in shape this season. He had zero leg issues as far as we know. He improved defensively, and had two or three lapses of concentration where he loafed it out of the box. If it weren't for his reputation and for the team's struggles, I'd bet 90% of fans and media would never have noticed those two or three lapses.

 

He's not the lazy, indifferent guy that he's been made out to be over the last 6 months. He's the Cubs' best run producer. He's the best potential FA player in this offseason by far. The Cubs need him to be on the team for 2007, and if that means he'll loaf 1 PA out of 200, then I'll trade that for his production without hesitation.

 

I understand your points, and while ideally you'd like to match Ramirez's raw talent with, say, Theriot's hustle, sports doesn't work like that. You make tradeoffs. The tradeoff with Ramirez is one worth making.

[Balsa]

On Sunday, Oct. 8, Bruce Miles / The Daily Herald[/url]"] In player news, the agent for third baseman Aramis Ramirez said he hoped to exchange proposals this coming week with the Cubs. Ramirez has two more years and $22.5 million guaranteed coming from the Cubs, but he can opt out of his deal.

 

Look for the Cubs to offer a sweetener in terms of both years and money.

 

“We’ll probably be putting in some proposals in the next week,” agent Paul Kinzer said. “He likes it there, and that’s where he wants to be. We’ll just see what happens in the next couple of weeks.”

 

Good to hear.

=D> =D>

[Laura]

Not much new.

 

Chris De Luca & Toni Ginette / The Sun-Times[/url]"]

NOTE: Cubs general manager Jim Hendry exchanged figures with agent Paul Kinzer over the weekend in discussions about keeping third baseman Aramis Ramirez, whose four-year contract allows for him to become a free agent this offseason.

 

The sides are expected to meet again this week. Ramirez's original four-year, $42 million contract signed on Opening Day 2005 called for him to make $11 million in 2007 and $11.5 million in 2008. A new deal likely would add two years to the package and could pay Ramirez, 28, about $13 million to $15 million annually because of a weak free-agent market this winter for third basemen.

 

Both sides have indicated a strong desire to work out an extension.

[goonys evil twin]

I want the one who puts up more production compared to money paid.

 

What is production?

 

AVG/OBP/SLG, that's what matters.

[Magnetic Curses]

Um...gotta get to the World Series before that matters. I'd rather have a good player that occasionally may not hustle, than a mediocre player that gives it his all.

 

While that may be true at the professional level, as a coach it kills me to read a statement like that.

 

That's funny, because I know quite a few football coaches who always talk about wanting the talented kid as opposed to the hustling grinder type. It's obligatory to praise the hustling grinder, but I think a lot of coaches would love the opportunity to coach a phenomenal talent, even if he has some hustle issues.

 

"Hustling grinder type" of limited talent, otherwise known as the 'Rudy'. Everyone loves a Rudy, but everyone also knows you only dress him for one game.

 

But I still wish Aramis had a little more Rudy in him.

 

baseball, at every level, is about talent.

 

hustling no help hit curve ball.

 

I think it's funny when it's either or. Let me ask this. Do you want Beltran or Manny? I'll take Beltran. Why, because he has talent and he hustles and knows the game. If Manny did the same things Beltran did I'd take him but he doesn't. I don't see why people always compare Manny to Neifi types when it comes to hustle vs talent.

 

I'll say this, I'll give you ARam as he is now and I'll take the one that stays in shape and hustles. I think staying in shape and doing the things you have to do to prolong your career is the direction all players should go.

 

Goony's right about talent, no doubt about it I want the best talent out there. But, when you're in a game and the kid that hits 250 beats out a grounder because the SS bobbles it with 2 outs and then your stud pops one out to win by one, you appreciate that hustle and he helped the team win because of it. No doubt, the kid that hits it out won the game with his homer, it would not have happened with out hustle. Almost all teams are not the Yankees and have 9 guys that hit 300 and can pop it out so you have to do that extra something sometimes to win a game. Sometimes the emotional, yes baseball with emotion, uplift of a diving catch can get a team out of it's mental phase that happens during baseball. That mental lift gives or brings a different focus for the team and also for the other team. I've had teams that hit line drives at people and the mental strain of that can be very draining at times. When you have a guy in CF dive and take away a sure double that team that has been hitting line drives and getting no rewards just sank a little farther. It's a tough mental game and that curve ball you sent out earlier with a line drive that was caught weighs a little more on your mind than it would if it fell. So if it's a either or question I'll take the hustling team over the one that doesn't if they both have the same or even a little worse talent for the hustlers.

 

excuse me for saying it, but these are just words. this is exactly what people need to forget about when building a baseball team. in The Hidden Game of Baseball this is what's described as the "Music of the Spheres", and it seems you're hearing it loud and clear. admiring baseball and REALLY trying to understand it are 2 different things.

 

sure, all things being equal, you want the player with better peripherals, but that proves nothing.

 

baseball is in some ways very complicated, but in many ways it's very simple. given an equal pitching staff, i'll take my 8 mannys and take my chances against your 8 beltrans. over 162 games, i'll score more runs than you, and that's what counts.

[goonys evil twin]

excuse me for saying it, but these are just words. this is exactly what people need to forget about when building a baseball team. in The Hidden Game of Baseball this is what's described as the "Music of the Spheres", and it seems you're hearing it loud and clear. admiring baseball and REALLY trying to understand it are 2 different things.

 

sure, all things being equal, you want the player with better peripherals, but that proves nothing.

 

baseball is in some ways very complicated, but in many ways it's very simple. given an equal pitching staff, i'll take my 8 mannys and take my chances against your 8 beltrans. over 162 games, i'll score more runs than you, and that's what counts.

 

The Beltran team probably would have won this year.