A-Ram update

[goonys evil twin]

The "I hope" seems to just be saying "I hope I can lock down Lou as quick as possible, then it's back to Aramis." It really doesn't sound like he's saying anything else.

 

I would hope that is true.

 

But, why can't he negotiate 2 deals at once? He's known about the Ramirez situation for a couple years, and knew it was coming to a head during the second half of the season. Likewise, he should have known he would need to replace Baker by July (I'd argue much earlier) and Lou has been a free agent that whole time. Why did he need to wait so long to hire a free agent manager?

 

Plus, this just reinforces the notion that he puts more stock in the manager than the players. People talk of this as Hendry's most important move. But it's not, it's not even close. The player acquisitions are far more important.

[BigbadB]

With Lou coming on board, let's see, Aramis has the choice of resigning with a manager who will berate him up and down on a daily basis for his lack of hustle, or he could put himself on the market to 29 other teams that value his production over hustle.

 

Weighing in also is that Hendry values a manager more than one of the 3 "franchise" players on this roster, and my attachment to staying in Chicago wouldn't be high on my priority list anymore, either.

 

It was nice knowing you, Aramis.

[CuseCubFan69]

With Lou coming on board, let's see, Aramis has the choice of resigning with a manager who will berate him up and down on a daily basis for his lack of hustle, or he could put himself on the market to 29 other teams that value his production over hustle.

 

Weighing in also is that Hendry values a manager more than one of the 3 "franchise" players on this roster, and my attachment to staying in Chicago wouldn't be high on my priority list anymore, either.

 

It was nice knowing you, Aramis.

 

Is it possible that Aramis is a guy that wants Lou to manage the Cubs? Maybe this is a domino effect (I'm hoping) and Ramirez was disgusted with the lack of control.

[goonys evil twin]

With Lou coming on board, let's see, Aramis has the choice of resigning with a manager who will berate him up and down on a daily basis for his lack of hustle, or he could put himself on the market to 29 other teams that value his production over hustle.

 

Weighing in also is that Hendry values a manager more than one of the 3 "franchise" players on this roster, and my attachment to staying in Chicago wouldn't be high on my priority list anymore, either.

 

It was nice knowing you, Aramis.

 

Is it possible that Aramis is a guy that wants Lou to manage the Cubs? Maybe this is a domino effect (I'm hoping) and Ramirez was disgusted with the lack of control.

 

Maybe that's the case. Ramirez appreciates a leader who is disciplined and not lazy like Baker. He knows his faults and wants a manager who will help him limit them. And he could see this as hiring a "win now" manager, instead of a rebuilding manager, which is what he wants to do.

 

But if Lou is hired, and Ramirez walks, I will guarantee there will be experts who talk about how great it is that Lou is getting rid of the malcontents.

[YearofDaCubs]

Hit points? Is Aramis an assassin?

 

He's a level 18 paladin.

That's too bad because we could really use a cleric with healing power on this team.

[CuseCubFan69]

With Lou coming on board, let's see, Aramis has the choice of resigning with a manager who will berate him up and down on a daily basis for his lack of hustle, or he could put himself on the market to 29 other teams that value his production over hustle.

 

Weighing in also is that Hendry values a manager more than one of the 3 "franchise" players on this roster, and my attachment to staying in Chicago wouldn't be high on my priority list anymore, either.

 

It was nice knowing you, Aramis.

 

Is it possible that Aramis is a guy that wants Lou to manage the Cubs? Maybe this is a domino effect (I'm hoping) and Ramirez was disgusted with the lack of control.

 

Maybe that's the case. Ramirez appreciates a leader who is disciplined and not lazy like Baker. He knows his faults and wants a manager who will help him limit them. And he could see this as hiring a "win now" manager, instead of a rebuilding manager, which is what he wants to do.

 

But if Lou is hired, and Ramirez walks, I will guarantee there will be experts who talk about how great it is that Lou is getting rid of the malcontents.

 

I hate you....why did you write that last paragraph? God, that is so true.

[soapy]

But if Lou is hired, and Ramirez walks, I will guarantee there will be experts who talk about how great it is that Lou is getting rid of the malcontents.

 

I hate you....why did you write that last paragraph? God, that is so true.

I was about to say the same thing. Oh God...

[Sammy Sofa]

I have my issues with Piniella, but even he can't be stupid enough to realize this team is doomed before they even have a chance if Aramis walks. If he his whole thing is turning down teams that aren't "going to win," why in God's name would he pick the Cubs if it wasn't all but certain that Aramis was coming back? The only way that makes sense is if he has some kind of magical powers that will guarentee ARod becomes a Cub, and I don't think that's the case, "good relationship" between the two or not.

 

Personally, I think Aramis is almost a lock to come back and just a few details need to be ironed out. I don't know why it's dragging out, and that does worry me a bit, but I can't see this organization, yes, THIS organization, letting Aramis walk.

[oldcubsfan]

I don't see a reason to panic. A line in the paper or Rotoworld doesn't mean a thing. They have exchanged numbers already. Cryptic quotes in the paper are usually meaningless and often over analyzed by people starving for info.

I do it too, but usually the press is not in the real pipeline of what is going on.

[davearm]

With Lou coming on board, let's see, Aramis has the choice of resigning with a manager who will berate him up and down on a daily basis for his lack of hustle, or he could put himself on the market to 29 other teams that value his production over hustle.

 

Weighing in also is that Hendry values a manager more than one of the 3 "franchise" players on this roster, and my attachment to staying in Chicago wouldn't be high on my priority list anymore, either.

 

It was nice knowing you, Aramis.

Or, perhaps ARam's fine with Piniella, but it was Joe Girardi that he didn't want to play for.

 

And perhaps Hendry is well aware of ARam's feelings on the manager subject, and is proceeding accordingly.

[CuseCubFan69]

I don't see a reason to panic. A line in the paper or Rotoworld doesn't mean a thing. They have exchanged numbers already. Cryptic quotes in the paper are usually meaningless and often over analyzed by people starving for info.

I do it too, but usually the press is not in the real pipeline of what is going on.

 

I've thought the whole time that Ramirez is going to try for the big bucks in free agency and I still do. I'll be thrilled if Hendry inks him.

 

I'm not in a panic and I'm willing to give any manager Hendry picks a solid chance. I just hope Hendry gives the new hire some solid players along with an impact one or two.

[BigbadB]

I don't see a reason to panic.

 

The Cubs were much closer to be a 100 loss team this year than a .500 team. I believe there is plenty of reason for panic.

[Laura]

Per Rotoworld.

 

The Cubs have put contract extension talks with Aramis Ramirez on hold as they seek a new manager.

The team is hoping to announce the hiring of Lou Piniella as their new manager Tuesday, which will free up general manager Jim Hendry to get back to figuring out a new three- or four-year extension for Ramirez to keep him from becoming a free agent this offseason. ''I hope to move that back to the front burner this week,'' Hendry said.

Source: Chicago Sun-Times

 

"I hope" does not settle well with me!

 

Aramis = one big reason I was hoping Hendry would reach a managerial decision sooner rather than later.

[goonys evil twin]

I don't see a reason to panic.

 

The Cubs were much closer to be a 100 loss team this year than a .500 team. I believe there is plenty of reason for panic.

 

I think panic is an incorrect despcription of people's reactions. What we are seeing is doubt and lack of confidence in Jim Hendry, and anything he does. If the definition of insanity is doing to same thing over and over and expecting different results, Jim Hendry might just be the quintessential insane GM, and anybody who has faith he'll get the job done is also insane. Sure, that could be said for any fan who thinks next year is the year for the Cubs. But most fans don't go into every offseason with the same level of optimism. Every year's expectations are affected by what happened in the past. That's why pre season ticket sales vary. When we see failure in the past, we will expect failure in the future unless those who brought about the failue either change their ways, or are replaced by others whom we expect to succeed.

[Post Count Padder]

Let us not forget that A-Ram has stated that it is his first choice to remain in a Cub uniform and wants to play here.

 

That said, I hope JH doesn't screw up, and he and A-Ram get a 4-5 years deal hammered down within the next week or so. It would be one less thing to worry about this offseason.

[RynoRules]

And I thought I was nauseated by the news of Piniella's hiring....

 

:x

[USSoccer]

Let us not forget that A-Ram has stated that it is his first choice to remain in a Cub uniform and wants to play here.

 

That said, I hope JH doesn't screw up, and he and A-Ram get a 4-5 years deal hammered down within the next week or so. It would be one less thing to worry about this offseason.

 

Yes. Lets hope.

[Mizzou]

Alright Jim, you got your manager. Now make sure that Aramis is here for the next four years. Soon.

[USSoccer]

Alright Jim, you got your manager. Now make sure that Aramis is here for the next four years. Soon.

 

Before Friday would be nice.

[Guest]

Let us not forget that A-Ram has stated that it is his first choice to remain in a Cub uniform and wants to play here.

 

That said, I hope JH doesn't screw up, and he and A-Ram get a 4-5 years deal hammered down within the next week or so. It would be one less thing to worry about this offseason.

 

I remember when jason giambi said that about oakland.

[bhogg]

If ARam doesnt want to play in chicago because the manager will chew on his ass if he loafs, then it's okay with me if ARam is playing elsewhere next year.

 

I can't possibly imagine that is true.

 

I think the likely case is that Aramis is simply waiting to find out who the skipper is . . . .I don't necessarily think he was wanting one guy over another. He might have just wanted to know before he got into negotiations.

 

 

Sometimes, as fans, we over analyze things. . . .I'm guilty of it.

[USSoccer]

If ARam doesnt want to play in chicago because the manager will chew on his ass if he loafs, then it's okay with me if ARam is playing elsewhere next year.

 

Seriously, when are people going to stop making statments like these? He's not Manny Ramirez. He's "loafed" maybe 6 times all of last season. He's not some lazy malcontent who won't play for a guy who might yell at him.

[A New Era]

If ARam doesnt want to play in chicago because the manager will chew on his ass if he loafs, then it's okay with me if ARam is playing elsewhere next year.

 

Seriously, when are people going to stop making statments like these? He's not Manny Ramirez. He's "loafed" maybe 6 times all of last season. He's not some lazy malcontent who won't play for a guy who might yell at him.

 

Read the rest of his post. .

[USSoccer]

If ARam doesnt want to play in chicago because the manager will chew on his ass if he loafs, then it's okay with me if ARam is playing elsewhere next year.

 

Seriously, when are people going to stop making statments like these? He's not Manny Ramirez. He's "loafed" maybe 6 times all of last season. He's not some lazy malcontent who won't play for a guy who might yell at him.

 

Read the rest of his post. .

 

I did. I stand by my post. It's not the first time someone has insinuated that Piniella's "fiery" demeanor would make the "loafing" Ramirez opt out and chase FA.

 

It's a media creation. It's a strawman argument. Constantly implying your best offfensive player is lazy is insane.

[A New Era]

If ARam doesnt want to play in chicago because the manager will chew on his ass if he loafs, then it's okay with me if ARam is playing elsewhere next year.

 

Seriously, when are people going to stop making statments like these? He's not Manny Ramirez. He's "loafed" maybe 6 times all of last season. He's not some lazy malcontent who won't play for a guy who might yell at him.

 

Read the rest of his post. .

 

I did. I stand by my post. It's not the first time someone has insinuated that Piniella's "fiery" demeanor would make the "loafing" Ramirez opt out and chase FA.

 

It's a media creation. It's a strawman argument. Constantly implying your best offfensive player is lazy is insane.

 

I agree with you. I just was unasure if you were attacking his post or not. Because he goes on to say he really doesn't feel that way.