Is Manny's time up in Boston

[fibro]

This is from a Buster Only article

 

If the Red Sox decided to trade Ramirez, this could be an optimal time, actually. There are many teams intent on adding a hitter this winter, from the Houston Astros to the Chicago Cubs to the San Diego Padres to the Baltimore Orioles to the Angels. There will be teams interested in making a deal for Ramirez.

 

But at some point, the Red Sox have to get comfortable with the notion that they'll probably only get something close to 40 cents on the dollar in value on Ramirez. Teams are going to tell the Red Sox: OK, we'll take Ramirez and the last two years of his contract, but you guys are going to have to eat at least half of the $38 million still owed to him, because, let's face it, he's not the most reliable guy ever. If he was, you guys wouldn't have looked to deal him two or three times before. And while we might give you guys a Grade B prospect for him, we're not going to give you any A-plus prospects for him

[fibro]

Here is the linkhttp://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=olney_buster

 

Have to be an insider

[Jehrico]

This is from a Buster Only article

 

If the Red Sox decided to trade Ramirez, this could be an optimal time, actually. There are many teams intent on adding a hitter this winter, from the Houston Astros to the Chicago Cubs to the San Diego Padres to the Baltimore Orioles to the Angels. There will be teams interested in making a deal for Ramirez.

 

But at some point, the Red Sox have to get comfortable with the notion that they'll probably only get something close to 40 cents on the dollar in value on Ramirez. Teams are going to tell the Red Sox: OK, we'll take Ramirez and the last two years of his contract, but you guys are going to have to eat at least half of the $38 million still owed to him, because, let's face it, he's not the most reliable guy ever. If he was, you guys wouldn't have looked to deal him two or three times before. And while we might give you guys a Grade B prospect for him, we're not going to give you any A-plus prospects for him

If Boston eats half of the contract, they should get an A+ prospect for Manny, regardless of the baggage he comes with.

[Butterscup1679666578]

I'd take him in LF for the Cubs.

[CP_414]

This is from a Buster Only article

 

If the Red Sox decided to trade Ramirez, this could be an optimal time, actually. There are many teams intent on adding a hitter this winter, from the Houston Astros to the Chicago Cubs to the San Diego Padres to the Baltimore Orioles to the Angels. There will be teams interested in making a deal for Ramirez.

 

But at some point, the Red Sox have to get comfortable with the notion that they'll probably only get something close to 40 cents on the dollar in value on Ramirez. Teams are going to tell the Red Sox: OK, we'll take Ramirez and the last two years of his contract, but you guys are going to have to eat at least half of the $38 million still owed to him, because, let's face it, he's not the most reliable guy ever. If he was, you guys wouldn't have looked to deal him two or three times before. And while we might give you guys a Grade B prospect for him, we're not going to give you any A-plus prospects for him

 

Half the contract AND only a B prospect? Sign me up. Jones and Marshall? Done and done.

[Balsa]

This is from a Buster Only article

 

If the Red Sox decided to trade Ramirez, this could be an optimal time, actually. There are many teams intent on adding a hitter this winter, from the Houston Astros to the Chicago Cubs to the San Diego Padres to the Baltimore Orioles to the Angels. There will be teams interested in making a deal for Ramirez.

 

But at some point, the Red Sox have to get comfortable with the notion that they'll probably only get something close to 40 cents on the dollar in value on Ramirez. Teams are going to tell the Red Sox: OK, we'll take Ramirez and the last two years of his contract, but you guys are going to have to eat at least half of the $38 million still owed to him, because, let's face it, he's not the most reliable guy ever. If he was, you guys wouldn't have looked to deal him two or three times before. And while we might give you guys a Grade B prospect for him, we're not going to give you any A-plus prospects for him

 

Half the contract AND only a B prospect? Sign me up. Jones and Marshall? Done and done.

 

No kidding.

[UMFan83]

They'd want Murton back I'd suspect.

[erik316wttn]

With as fed up as the Yankees are with A-Rod, do you think we could go after him?

[Roast]

With as fed up as the Yankees are with A-Rod, do you think we could go after him?

 

Could we, yes.

Will we, probablynot.

[fibro]

With as fed up as the Yankees are with A-Rod, do you think we could go after him?

 

Could we, yes.

Will we, probablynot.

 

Everything I hear about A-Rod is he wants to stay in New York and the Yankees do not want to trade him.

[daske17]

From things that I've read, the Red Sox are complacent with him staying on the roster at his current price. With Ramirez, they have one of the most potent 3-4 combos of all time. For a team that has to stay in contention with the Yankees, I can't see them trading a key piece of their offense.

 

However, if this were 2004 and knowing now what we do about our pitching situation, I would easily do a Prior for Ramirez swap while picking up 3/4 of his salary.

[Sammy Sofa]

They'd want Murton back I'd suspect.

 

As much as I like the ol' red head, I'd hand him over in a flash for Manny, drama and all.

[NorthsideAvenger]

IF Manny is traded (going on his 1.2 billionth trade demand) my guess is unless the deal is between the Cubs/Red Sox or the Angels/Red Sox, or even Dodgers/Red Sox, I think it would be easier for Boston to move Manny in a three team trade.

[soccer10k]

With as fed up as the Yankees are with A-Rod, do you think we could go after him?

 

Could we, yes.

Will we, probablynot.

 

Everything I hear about A-Rod is he wants to stay in New York and the Yankees do not want to trade him.

 

That could change if he has a horrible postseason though.

[JWCUB]

Trade for Manny and A-Rod, sign one of Zito or Schmidt and call it an offseason.

 

 

 

 

 

 

If it were only that simple.

 

Oh, and lock up Aram.

[rawaction]

I think this could be the year that Manny goes. The Red Sox are going to finish about 7th best in the AL with him. This is the first time they have finished that low. Maybe they think it's time to go in another direction. Their window is closing anyway with a bunch of players over 35 and a handful of others leaving via freeagency. I don't think they are gonna completely go young, but I fully believe they will cut salary and let a bunch of their young guys play.

 

The Angels are the most likely destination. They have to get a big OF bat and have to give up one of their big prospects if they are going to compete next season. The Dodgers will also be in the running, be interested what they do with my favorite offseason target, Drew, if they get Manny. I don't see the Cubs interested. Houston, I could see.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I can see Manny moving if the Red Sox believe they can get younger and better. Theo has said numerous times that this is something the Red Sox need to do.

 

I wonder if there could be a deal of Manny + cash to the Rangers for Michael Young.

[Jehrico]

I can see Manny moving if the Red Sox believe they can get younger and better. Theo has said numerous times that this is something the Red Sox need to do.

 

I wonder if there could be a deal of Manny + cash to the Rangers for Michael Young.

 

Epstein is a smart guy. He'll trade Manny in a heart beat if it improves the organization, simple as that. I think he's looking less at winning now though and looking at winning long-term. He's been in "win now" mode the last few years. He's farmed out a lot of homegrown talent in trades, so I think he's going to look for a haul of prospects in return to restock the farm. Boston's got money, so I'm prone to believe he'll pick up a large chunk of his salary in order to widen the pool of teams that can compete for him, so he can bring in more of a haul for him. I'd honestly be extremely surprised if Manny finished his contract in Boston. I think he'll be traded next off-season if not this one.

[soccer10k]

Trade for Manny and A-Rod, sign one of Zito or Schmidt and call it an offseason.

 

 

 

 

 

 

If it were only that simple.

 

Oh, and lock up Aram.

 

Sign Soriano also.

[fibro]

From The Boston Globe

While the Red Sox crumbled when Ramírez went on hiatus -- last night was the 22d game out of 30 Ramírez has missed since taking himself out of the last game of the Yankee massacre Aug. 21, during which he has been paid $1.918 million (calculated on his base salary of $15 million this season) -- he had the audacity this week, through agent Greg Genske, to reiterate to the Red Sox his desire to be traded this winter.

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/09/23/time_to_close_curtain_on_this_act/

[Wheelimus]

Cesar for Manny + cash :lol:

[Neuby]

Jones + Marshall+ Guzman+Izturis

 

 

Cubs get Manny

 

Theriot moves to short.

Soranio to 2b

 

Lofton

Murton

Lee

M.Ramirez

A.Ramirez

Barrett

Theriot

 

Lofton would cost less than 3 million a season and if he struggles we might be able to call up Pie or give Pagean a look. That lineup gets on base and sluggs well in addition to stealing a ton of bases.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Jones + Marshall+ Guzman+Izturis

 

 

Cubs get Manny

 

Theriot moves to short.

Soranio to 2b

 

Lofton

Murton

Lee

M.Ramirez

A.Ramirez

Barrett

Theriot

 

Lofton would cost less than 3 million a season and if he struggles we might be able to call up Pie or give Pagean a look. That lineup gets on base and sluggs well in addition to stealing a ton of bases.

 

If the Cubs ended up with Manny, I'd probably go for Durham over Soriano. Manny provides the power we need and choosing Durham over Alphonso frees up money to help get some more pitching.

[Jehrico]

Jones + Marshall+ Guzman+Izturis

 

 

Cubs get Manny

 

Theriot moves to short.

Soranio to 2b

 

Lofton

Murton

Lee

M.Ramirez

A.Ramirez

Barrett

Theriot

 

Lofton would cost less than 3 million a season and if he struggles we might be able to call up Pie or give Pagean a look. That lineup gets on base and sluggs well in addition to stealing a ton of bases.

 

If the Cubs ended up with Manny, I'd probably go for Durham over Soriano. Manny provides the power we need and choosing Durham over Alphonso frees up money to help get some more pitching.

If we sign Soriano, we still need someone who can play 2b.

 

Nevermind, I forgot about Theriot...

[CuseCubFan69]

Jones + Marshall+ Guzman+Izturis

 

 

Cubs get Manny

 

Theriot moves to short.

Soranio to 2b

 

Lofton

Murton

Lee

M.Ramirez

A.Ramirez

Barrett

Theriot

 

Lofton would cost less than 3 million a season and if he struggles we might be able to call up Pie or give Pagean a look. That lineup gets on base and sluggs well in addition to stealing a ton of bases.

 

What would that put the payroll at?