Marmol Activated, Scott Moore to Chicago!

[A New Era]

Could someone tell me more about Moore (ok I know that sounds funny :lol: )?

 

So we got him from where, the tigers right? In as part of the farnsworth trade? Moore, what's his minor league #'s. Does he project to be atleast an above average 3B?

[J.R.]

Novoa

viable

 

Not in ten thousand lifetimes.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Could someone tell me more about Moore (ok I know that sounds funny :lol: )?

 

So we got him from where, the tigers right? In as part of the farnsworth trade? Moore, what's his minor league #'s. Does he project to be atleast an above average 3B?

 

Scott Moore (along with Roberto Novoa and Bo Flowers [no longer in the minors]) came in excange for Kyle Farnsworth.

 

Here are his AA and AAA numbers this season. Here are his career numbers. Moore was the 8th overall pick in 2002 out of an Orange County, CA high school.

[A New Era]

Could someone tell me more about Moore (ok I know that sounds funny :lol: )?

 

So we got him from where, the tigers right? In as part of the farnsworth trade? Moore, what's his minor league #'s. Does he project to be atleast an above average 3B?

 

Scott Moore (along with Roberto Novoa and Bo Flowers [no longer in the minors]) came in excange for Kyle Farnsworth.

 

Here are his AA and AAA numbers this season. Here are his career numbers. Moore was the 8th overall pick in 2002 out of an Orange County, CA high school.

 

sum up. . . pretty good. Not great.

[mhuber92211]

his work this year makes your statement look foolish J.R. He obviously has been viable this season as he has nearly the same number of appearance as Howry. Will someone help me explain the term viable? Apparently its not getting through.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

his work this year makes your statement look foolish J.R. He obviously has been viable this season as he has nearly the same number of appearance as Howry. Will someone help me explain the term viable? Apparently its not getting through.

 

What's considered functioning to some may not be accpetable to others. Novoa is terrible, and the number of appearences he's made is a terrible way to judge him as a pitcher. Nobody knows why Novoa has been trotted out there on such a regular basis, but we certainly know it's not because he's good.

[NorthsideAvenger]

I might be one of the few that actually still likes Novoa potential (looking back, maybe the Cubs should've asked for Rodney, but I digress) and still believe that he can be a decent 6th/7th inning kind of guy. The problem is Baker thinks Novoa can be a set-up man, which is absolutely not true.

 

And while Novoa does deserve the "crap" type negative thoughts, I do believe he will be a fine reliever, just not with the Cubs.

[EricG]

Can Moore play 2B? SS? They said that they tried him out at SS in Iowa.

They have also tried out Coats at SS in Iowa and moved him to RF and brought in Augie in the late innings. If they resign Ramirez then they could move Moore to 2B.

[Soriano12]

If they resign Ramirez then they could move Moore to 2B.

 

I pray the explore mutiple options before it comes to that.

[Mephistopheles]

Moore's got the arm and hands to play 3B. His footwork isn't very good and a deficiency like that would be magnified at second.

[TheDude]

his work this year makes your statement look foolish J.R. He obviously has been viable this season as he has nearly the same number of appearance as Howry. Will someone help me explain the term viable? Apparently its not getting through.

 

What's considered functioning to some may not be accpetable to others. Novoa is terrible, and the number of appearences he's made is a terrible way to judge him as a pitcher. Nobody knows why Novoa has been trotted out there on such a regular basis, but we certainly know it's not because he's good.

 

Why is Novoa terrible? Because he isn't a stud?

 

Novoa's numbers are better than the average MLB relief pitcher. That makes him a servicable, better-than-average middle reliever. There's nothing wrong with having a guy like that in the bullpen.

[goonys evil twin]

 

Novoa's numbers are better than the average MLB relief pitcher.

 

Novoa's ERA is worse than that of only 9 MLB team's bullpens, there are only 4 MLB bullpens with a worse WHIP. And only 2 bullpens have a worse k/9. There isn't a single team in the game whose bullpen has a worse OPS against than Novoa's 852.

 

I find it very difficult to believe your claim that he's better than the average MLB relief pitcher. Seems to me, if he was, those stats were be more in-line with the middle of the pack team bullpens. His best relative stat is ERA, which is still well below average (in rank, above average in actual ERA), but ERA is a poor way to judge a reliever. Novoa is too hittable, too wild, not overpowering enough and gives up too many homers. He's got nothing servicable about him.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Novoa stinks. He gets far too much work. He may have a decent outing every once in a while, but far too often he gives up way too many runs and allows way too many baserunners.

[UK1679666180]

putting the pressure on aramis or trying to make the farnsworth trade look good?

 

I think the Farnsworth trade has been considered good for quite a while now.

 

I thought he was traded when his value was its lowest coming off that poor second half. The year after the trade he did very well w/Det and ATL.

 

I didn't have a problem with trading Kyle, the timing didn't work for me. There was a good possibility at the time that Farnsworth would increase his value from the point he was traded from the Cubs, his trade to ATL helped confirm that.

 

Not directed at you Bruno....

 

Statistically, Novoa has been far from avg., he's been one of the worst.

[Bruno7481]

putting the pressure on aramis or trying to make the farnsworth trade look good?

 

I think the Farnsworth trade has been considered good for quite a while now.

 

I thought he was traded when his value was its lowest coming off that poor second half. The year after the trade he did very well w/Det and ATL.

 

I didn't have a problem with trading Kyle, the timing didn't work for me. There was a good possibility at the time that Farnsworth would increase his value from the point he was traded from the Cubs, his trade to ATL helped confirm that.

 

Not directed at you Bruno....

 

Statistically, Novoa has been far from avg., he's been one of the worst.

 

I'm in agreement that they probably could have received more for Farnsworth. But at the same time, I don't think he would have been much of a difference maker on this team the past two years, especially with what he is making.

 

Like others have stated, it is pretty much a wash unless Moore puts things together.

[Cubzfan64]

I thought he was traded when his value was its lowest coming off that poor second half.

 

Boy am I sick of the inability of this organization to evaluate talent well enough to avoid consistently selling low and buying high. To be honest, I don't trust this front office to do ANYTHING right anymore.

 

But then again, it's a business and if you can fill the stands and make money by throwing what we've thrown out there the last 2 years, what the heck - they probably consider it a success. *sigh*

[biittner77]

The Farnsworth trade is a win for the Cubs because it led to the Neifi Perez trade this year aka the greatest trade in the last 20 years.

[Jehrico]

 

Novoa's numbers are better than the average MLB relief pitcher.

 

Novoa's ERA is worse than that of only 9 MLB team's bullpens, there are only 4 MLB bullpens with a worse WHIP. And only 2 bullpens have a worse k/9. There isn't a single team in the game whose bullpen has a worse OPS against than Novoa's 852.

 

I find it very difficult to believe your claim that he's better than the average MLB relief pitcher. Seems to me, if he was, those stats were be more in-line with the middle of the pack team bullpens. His best relative stat is ERA, which is still well below average (in rank, above average in actual ERA), but ERA is a poor way to judge a reliever. Novoa is too hittable, too wild, not overpowering enough and gives up too many homers. He's got nothing servicable about him.

 

Is it really fair to compare our 6th reliever's stats with other teams bullpens averages? Most teams have good closers and setup men who affect the overall numbers. If he were much better, he wouldn't be our # 6 reliever. Let's compare him to other #6s instead and see if he's much worse than league average.

 

for the record, if anyone wants to know where I get 5 or 6, I've got Dumpster, Eyre, Howry, Wuertz, and Ohman all ahead of him on the depth chart.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I was happy to see Moore do well in yesterday's game. I still have high hopes for him.

[CuseCubFan69]

I was happy to see Moore do well in yesterday's game. I still have high hopes for him.

 

I still want him to work on his footwork at second this off season and give that a shot. If he could hold his own there I think he'd be a solid bat to have up the middle. He can't be any worse than Walker was there.

[Jehrico]

I was happy to see Moore do well in yesterday's game. I still have high hopes for him.

 

I still want him to work on his footwork at second this off season and give that a shot. If he could hold his own there I think he'd be a solid bat to have up the middle. He can't be any worse than Walker was there.

Should Theriot be given a chance to earn a job there as well next year? What if both do well during ST?

[Jehrico]

One other thing I like to hammer on...One thing I've enjoyed about this year as opposed to previous years is that at least we're acknowledging we are out of it, and are giving alot of kids the chance to play. In past years, one thing that has always driven me batty with this team, is our refusal to acknowledge when we're out of it, trade veterans, and play kids to evaluate for the next year. Instead, we usually deny we're out of it, trade for more mediocre to subpar "postseason proven" vets, and continue to stifle any opportunities for the kids.

[Magnetic Curses]

putting the pressure on aramis or trying to make the farnsworth trade look good?

 

I think the Farnsworth trade has been considered good for quite a while now.

 

I thought he was traded when his value was its lowest coming off that poor second half. The year after the trade he did very well w/Det and ATL.

 

I didn't have a problem with trading Kyle, the timing didn't work for me. There was a good possibility at the time that Farnsworth would increase his value from the point he was traded from the Cubs, his trade to ATL helped confirm that.

 

Not directed at you Bruno....

 

Statistically, Novoa has been far from avg., he's been one of the worst.

 

i thought farnsworth was traded because he was regarded as a "clubhouse problem". well, that certainly cleared things up for us.

[CuseCubFan69]

I was happy to see Moore do well in yesterday's game. I still have high hopes for him.

 

I still want him to work on his footwork at second this off season and give that a shot. If he could hold his own there I think he'd be a solid bat to have up the middle. He can't be any worse than Walker was there.

Should Theriot be given a chance to earn a job there as well next year? What if both do well during ST?

 

Having 2 guys that deserve to be on the big team at the minimum wage is a good thing as far as I'm concerned. A good manager would find enough AB's for both IMO.

[Jehrico]

I was happy to see Moore do well in yesterday's game. I still have high hopes for him.

 

I still want him to work on his footwork at second this off season and give that a shot. If he could hold his own there I think he'd be a solid bat to have up the middle. He can't be any worse than Walker was there.

Should Theriot be given a chance to earn a job there as well next year? What if both do well during ST?

 

Having 2 guys that deserve to be on the big team at the minimum wage is a good thing as far as I'm concerned. A good manager would find enough AB's for both IMO.

Therein lied (one of) our problems this year. I'm fervently hoping that is fixed going into '07.