Assesment on Hill, so far?

[Skyballer]

Even when he didn't have his best stuff, Rich Hill still ate up some innings and gave his offense a chance to come back and win the game.

 

Or maybe he stunk today. I don't know, I'm still euphoric right now, so I could be a little off here.

 

Nah, I agree. The 2nd and 3rd weren't pretty, but he didn't allow any more runs and still ended up striking out 5. He kept the team in the game for the next two innings.

 

I like Hill, but when a starter only goes three innings, there's nothing positive about that. I'm not going to go off on a Rich Hill sucks tangent, because that's ridiculous, nor will I question his desire or any overreaction like that.

 

But, to try to put any positive spin on his start today is pretty silly. He was bad. Did he confine the damage to one inning? Yes. But he still pitched so poorly that he left trailing by a huge amount and forced the bullpen to be perfect. Had he given up five and then held the Brewers scoreless into the fifth or sixth, then more props could be given. But he got lit up, had another bad inning, and had to be lifted after only three innings. In no metric, no book, no where is that a good outing.

 

Will he rebound? I surely hope so. But just because many of us like Hill, I think it's a bit ludicrous to try to say anything positive about this start. If Marquis lasted three innings while allowing five runs, I doubt anyone here would try to give him credit for throwing two scoreless innings after giving up five in the first.

 

The simple truth: Hill sucked today. It happens to a lot of pitchers. Hopefully, Hill gets his act together over the next four days. I know he can do it, but he definitely wasn't a good pitcher today.

Well put.

couldn't put it any better

[Sammy Sofa]

Even when he didn't have his best stuff, Rich Hill still ate up some innings and gave his offense a chance to come back and win the game.

 

Or maybe he stunk today. I don't know, I'm still euphoric right now, so I could be a little off here.

 

Nah, I agree. The 2nd and 3rd weren't pretty, but he didn't allow any more runs and still ended up striking out 5. He kept the team in the game for the next two innings.

 

I like Hill, but when a starter only goes three innings, there's nothing positive about that. I'm not going to go off on a Rich Hill sucks tangent, because that's ridiculous, nor will I question his desire or any overreaction like that.

 

But, to try to put any positive spin on his start today is pretty silly. He was bad. Did he confine the damage to one inning? Yes. But he still pitched so poorly that he left trailing by a huge amount and forced the bullpen to be perfect. Had he given up five and then held the Brewers scoreless into the fifth or sixth, then more props could be given. But he got lit up, had another bad inning, and had to be lifted after only three innings. In no metric, no book, no where is that a good outing.

 

Will he rebound? I surely hope so. But just because many of us like Hill, I think it's a bit ludicrous to try to say anything positive about this start. If Marquis lasted three innings while allowing five runs, I doubt anyone here would try to give him credit for throwing two scoreless innings after giving up five in the first.

 

The simple truth: Hill sucked today. It happens to a lot of pitchers. Hopefully, Hill gets his act together over the next four days. I know he can do it, but he definitely wasn't a good pitcher today.

Well put.

 

Right, and I agree with Vance...this was a bad outing. But I don't see the harm in looking for any kind of upside considering the expectations we have for Hill. It's not like I'm trying to explain away how bad he was.

[XZero771679666304]

rich hill is a quadruple a pitcher. two pitches and nothing else.

 

You're being generous there.

 

His fastball is dependent on his curve.

 

If he can command the curve, he's good. If he can't, he's bad. It's that simple.

 

Fortunately, it seems he commands it more often than not.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Even when he didn't have his best stuff, Rich Hill still ate up some innings and gave his offense a chance to come back and win the game.

 

Or maybe he stunk today. I don't know, I'm still euphoric right now, so I could be a little off here.

 

Nah, I agree. The 2nd and 3rd weren't pretty, but he didn't allow any more runs and still ended up striking out 5. He kept the team in the game for the next two innings.

 

I like Hill, but when a starter only goes three innings, there's nothing positive about that. I'm not going to go off on a Rich Hill sucks tangent, because that's ridiculous, nor will I question his desire or any overreaction like that.

 

But, to try to put any positive spin on his start today is pretty silly. He was bad. Did he confine the damage to one inning? Yes. But he still pitched so poorly that he left trailing by a huge amount and forced the bullpen to be perfect. Had he given up five and then held the Brewers scoreless into the fifth or sixth, then more props could be given. But he got lit up, had another bad inning, and had to be lifted after only three innings. In no metric, no book, no where is that a good outing.

 

Will he rebound? I surely hope so. But just because many of us like Hill, I think it's a bit ludicrous to try to say anything positive about this start. If Marquis lasted three innings while allowing five runs, I doubt anyone here would try to give him credit for throwing two scoreless innings after giving up five in the first.

 

The simple truth: Hill sucked today. It happens to a lot of pitchers. Hopefully, Hill gets his act together over the next four days. I know he can do it, but he definitely wasn't a good pitcher today.

Well put.

 

Right, and I agree with Vance...this was a bad outing. But I don't see the harm in looking for any kind of upside considering the expectations we have for Hill. It's not like I'm trying to explain away how bad he was.

 

But would you be looking for the same upside in a Marquis start?

 

Did he really pitch that well for two innings? Are we really surprised that a pitcher held a team scoreless for two innings?

 

Like I said, had he lasted into the fifth, then I'd be far more willing to give him props for getting his act together. But looking beyond the box score, he threw way too many pitches in two innings and therefore doomed himself to a short outing. He got lit in the first and then was far from perfect in the second. He flirted with disaster then too.

 

It was a bad start. His ERA for the game was 15.00 or something like that. Hill is a better pitcher than that. But trying to find anything positive is akin to having a student miss every question on a multiple choice test, yet say well at least he spelled his name correctly and wow he makes a pretty "a" even if it's incorrect.

[Sammy Sofa]

If Marquis was able to even stay in another inning after a meltdown to spare the bullpen just that much without giving up any more runs, yes, I would look at it like it's a positive thing, especially when it's the first game of a very important series. Plus, with Marquis, you could argue that with Lilly and Z coming up in the next starts, you've got more of a chance of the next starters being able to go long and not tax the 'pen. As good as Marshall has been, there's a decent chance a team like the Brewers could knock him out earlier than usual...then you have Marquis on the 3rd day, and that definitely doesn't bode well. Hill being able to lock down even just those two innings are two less innings of work for a bullpen that we might REALLY need the next two games.

 

I really don't know why you're essentially lecturing me like I'm trying to make excuses for Hill or dress up his start as somehow not being terrible. I'm simply saying that it's a plus he was able to successfully hold down those two innings to spare the pen and not make the damage worse. In the context of what hald already happened in the 1st inning, I'm looking at it as relatively positive. What am I saying that's bugging you so much?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If Marquis was able to even stay in another inning after a meltdown to spare the bullpen just that much without giving up any more runs, yes, I would look at it like it's a positive thing, especially when it's the first game of a very important series. Plus, with Marquis, you could argue that with Lilly and Z coming up in the next starts, you've got more of a chance of the next starters being able to go long and not tax the 'pen. As good as Marshall has been, there's a decent chance a team like the Brewers could knock him out earlier than usual...then you have Marquis on the 3rd day, and that definitely doesn't bode well. Hill being able to lock down even just those two innings are two less innings of work for a bullpen that we might REALLY need the next two games.

 

I really don't know why you're essentially lecturing me like I'm trying to make excuses for Hill or dress up his start as somehow not being terrible. I'm simply saying that it's a plus he was able to successfully hold down those two innings to spare the pen and not make the damage worse. In the context of what hald already happened in the 1st inning, I'm looking at it as relatively positive. What am I saying that's bugging you so much?

 

I guess I don't see anything or any reason to find something positive out a 3 IP, 5 H, 5 ER, 2 BB line.

[Sammy Sofa]

I guess I don't see anything or any reason to find something positive out a 3 IP, 5 H, 5 ER, 2 BB line.

 

All I'm saying is that the bullpen had to pitch two less innings in a series where they're very likely to be taxed over the remaining two games, and I'm glad for that. What's so wrong with that sentiment? Why are you responding to me like I'm doing something wrong? I'm not happy with his start because of this and I thought overall it stunk. What's the big deal? I'm just glad over the one specific aspect that he spared the bullpen two innings in a disastrous start. It's not like I'm raving about it or thinking it was some remarkable thing he did.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I wish this thread would get locked

[soccer10k]

rich hill is a quadruple a pitcher. two pitches and nothing else.

 

You're being generous there.

 

His fastball is dependent on his curve.

 

If he can command the curve, he's good. If he can't, he's bad. It's that simple.

 

Fortunately, it seems he commands it more often than not.

 

I was implying sarcastically that he's One Pitch Rich.

[seanimal]

His fastball is dependent on his curve.

 

If he can command the curve, he's good. If he can't, he's bad. It's that simple.

 

Fortunately, it seems he commands it more often than not.

 

I think you have it backwards.

[TruffleShuffle]

in unrelated, level-headed news, Rich has the #4 WHIP among NL starters.

[Sarcastic]

I guess I don't see anything or any reason to find something positive out a 3 IP, 5 H, 5 ER, 2 BB line.

 

All I'm saying is that the bullpen had to pitch two less innings in a series where they're very likely to be taxed over the remaining two games, and I'm glad for that. What's so wrong with that sentiment? Why are you responding to me like I'm doing something wrong? I'm not happy with his start because of this and I thought overall it stunk. What's the big deal? I'm just glad over the one specific aspect that he spared the bullpen two innings in a disastrous start. It's not like I'm raving about it or thinking it was some remarkable thing he did.

 

You're right. 3 IP 5 ER is in fact better than 1 IP 5 ER. If your point was that it could have been worse, of course it could have been worse. Others have pointed out that, despite that, it still sucked, which is similarly obvious. The arguments (1. that it could have been worse, and 2. that despite the fact that it could have been worse it still sucked) are not mutually exclusive. Both of these things have been acknowledged, now we can move on.

[Keener98]

in unrelated, level-headed news, Rich has the #4 WHIP among NL starters.

 

Thats nice to know, but too bad most of that is from his unbelievable start. 2 of his last 3 outings hes been terrible, no ifs ands or buts about it. I hope its just a bump in the road, and we will soon find out.

[shnsajax]

in unrelated, level-headed news, Rich has the #4 WHIP among NL starters.

 

Thats nice to know, but too bad most of that is from his unbelievable start. 2 of his last 3 outings hes been terrible, no ifs ands or buts about it. I hope its just a bump in the road, and we will soon find out.

 

Zambrano's first 6 starts were horrible. What have you done for me lately syndrome seems to be in full gear. I am thinking a slight break for the all-star game will be very good for Rich. He still has work to do mentally IMO.

[abuck1220]

in unrelated, level-headed news, Rich has the #4 WHIP among NL starters.

 

Thats nice to know, but too bad most of that is from his unbelievable start.

 

yeah, and the worst part about it is those wins don't even count on the cubs' record now. thanks for nothing, rich hill.

[Mephistopheles]

in unrelated, level-headed news, Rich has the #4 WHIP among NL starters.

 

 

AND JUST FIVE WINS

[Mizzou]

Why is this thread not locked?

[NCCubFan]

Why is this thread not locked?

Keep at it. I understand there's still one person in Timbuktu that doesn't know how you feel yet.

[TruffleShuffle]

c'mon rich... close out the first half with a big start today

[TruffleShuffle]

c'mon rich... close out the first half with a big start today

 

that was not what i had in mind

[nolanwood]

We're screwed if two-pitch-Rich can't bounce back after the break... Edited July 4, 2007 by nolanwood

[rocket]

DFA

[TruffleShuffle]

trade for an aging reliever who's having his first good year since 1997

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Hill for Dunn anyone? I might even throw in Murton if they'll take Eyre off our hands.

[inari]

Hill for Dunn anyone? I might even throw in Murton if they'll take Eyre off our hands.

 

Sold.