Assesment on Hill, so far?

[Soul]

One pitch Rich.

 

He was last night. The Mets sure weren't hitting the curve at all, but he was leaving his fastball up and over the plate, and they were jumping on it. He has more confidence in his fastball now, but I'd like to see him mixing in more curves and also some changes. And, he needs to locate his fastball better than he did last night.

 

Does he really throw a change? I mean, well enough to call it an actual pitch that he has in his arsenal?

 

Most people I talk to feel he's a 2-pitch guy, and that's likely to be his biggest issue.

[mg420]

One pitch Rich.

 

He was last night. The Mets sure weren't hitting the curve at all, but he was leaving his fastball up and over the plate, and they were jumping on it. He has more confidence in his fastball now, but I'd like to see him mixing in more curves and also some changes. And, he needs to locate his fastball better than he did last night.

 

Does he really throw a change? I mean, well enough to call it an actual pitch that he has in his arsenal?

 

Most people I talk to feel he's a 2-pitch guy, and that's likely to be his biggest issue.

 

he does have a pretty good change when he can get it over the plate. he threw a few in the 1st inning last night. very glad i didnt stay up to watch the debacle btw. time for rich to adjust to the hitters now that they seem to have adjusted to him.

[Soul]

One pitch Rich.

 

He was last night. The Mets sure weren't hitting the curve at all, but he was leaving his fastball up and over the plate, and they were jumping on it. He has more confidence in his fastball now, but I'd like to see him mixing in more curves and also some changes. And, he needs to locate his fastball better than he did last night.

 

Does he really throw a change? I mean, well enough to call it an actual pitch that he has in his arsenal?

 

Most people I talk to feel he's a 2-pitch guy, and that's likely to be his biggest issue.

 

he does have a pretty good change when he can get it over the plate. he threw a few in the 1st inning last night. very glad i didnt stay up to watch the debacle btw. time for rich to adjust to the hitters now that they seem to have adjusted to him.

 

Well, I've seen him adjust. In-game, even. He's got to get back to that.

[Productive Outs]

Rich Hill's ERA will be in the mid to high 3's by the end of July. as of yesterday, Hill's BABIP against was .212. Marquis' will be even worse -- his BABIP against is .196. he obviously can't sustain this kind of success with his current peripherals.

[Guest]

From what I saw of the game, Rich's FB wasn't that good yesterday. He's going to have to locate better especially on those days that his FB isn't working.

[Lockes Eye Scar]

3 bad starts in a row for Rich makes me a sad panda.

[abuck1220]

at least he had a few k's. every mistake he made got jacked out of the yard. the two walks to start the game were obnoxious, but at least he didn't have any the rest of the way.

 

i think he'll have a good one next time out...provided the cubs don't move him into long relief and put miller (because jimmy promised he would) or dempster (he really wants to start!) into the rotation, which wouldn't surprise me.

[Sammy Sofa]

I wish we had batters who could capitalize on the few mistakes a good pitcher makes.

[RichHillIsABeast]

You gotta love the fair weather Hill fans in today's game thread.

[Omar]

Maaaan Rich Hill, SUCKS!

 

He ain't gettin' any better, that's for sure. Lets hope he picks it up in July when all of our other starters fall apart completely so we have at least one day a week to look forward to.

 

In April, his starts were the only few satisfying aspects this team had. Now I guess Ted Lilly is the one to look forward to, because Marquis hasnt looked that good in the past couple outings. Dont let me touch on Z and whoever our #5 is.

[TruffleShuffle]

Hill was lucky his first few starts... low BAA, very low BAA with RISP, and very few of his mistakes were getting hit hard. The last three starts his location hasn't been as good, but he's been unlucky - his bad pitches have been hit out of the park. Still, he's got an adequate BB rate, a solid K rate, and a 1.09 WHIP. He'll be fine.

[Pushfrog98]

Hey Rich... welcome back!

[jersey cubs fan]

Hill was lucky his first few starts... low BAA, very low BAA with RISP, and very few of his mistakes were getting hit hard. The last three starts his location hasn't been as good, but he's been unlucky - his bad pitches have been hit out of the park. Still, he's got an adequate BB rate, a solid K rate, and a 1.09 WHIP. He'll be fine.

 

Is it really bad luck to give up long balls? Usually you hear of luck being involved when you're talking about balls in play. But HR, BB and K are the things a pitcher controls.

[A New Era]

I wonder if there is something slightly "off" in his delivery. He looked to be having some trouble locating pitches. And part of Rich Hills success is he had a SHARP fastball and great curve. And his location was near perfect. He was able to keep batters off balance by locating his pitches well off both corners. And when they'd guess Curve, he'd blow a FB right in the outside edge.

[Drew Doughty]

Hill was lucky his first few starts... low BAA, very low BAA with RISP, and very few of his mistakes were getting hit hard. The last three starts his location hasn't been as good, but he's been unlucky - his bad pitches have been hit out of the park. Still, he's got an adequate BB rate, a solid K rate, and a 1.09 WHIP. He'll be fine.

 

Is it really bad luck to give up long balls? Usually you hear of luck being involved when you're talking about balls in play. But HR, BB and K are the things a pitcher controls.

 

to some extent yes, but both of the home runs to right field just cleared the fence (and I maintain that the pitch to Kouzmanoff wasn't a bad pitch). If those two had stayed in the yard, I doubt anyone would be that worried about Hill.

 

Though, the pitches to Cameron were awful, and his location was generally shoddy.

[TruffleShuffle]

Hill was lucky his first few starts... low BAA, very low BAA with RISP, and very few of his mistakes were getting hit hard. The last three starts his location hasn't been as good, but he's been unlucky - his bad pitches have been hit out of the park. Still, he's got an adequate BB rate, a solid K rate, and a 1.09 WHIP. He'll be fine.

 

Is it really bad luck to give up long balls? Usually you hear of luck being involved when you're talking about balls in play. But HR, BB and K are the things a pitcher controls.

 

right, but Curt Schilling has always been fairly HR-prone. Yesterday Hill gave up 6 hits and 4 of them left the park - that doesn't happen very often. He may end up being a HR-prone pitcher because of a flyball tendancy, but if he can limit the number of hits and walks he gives up, he can still be a very effective pitcher.

[Soul]

Hill was lucky his first few starts... low BAA, very low BAA with RISP, and very few of his mistakes were getting hit hard. The last three starts his location hasn't been as good, but he's been unlucky - his bad pitches have been hit out of the park. Still, he's got an adequate BB rate, a solid K rate, and a 1.09 WHIP. He'll be fine.

 

Is it really bad luck to give up long balls? Usually you hear of luck being involved when you're talking about balls in play. But HR, BB and K are the things a pitcher controls.

 

right, but Curt Schilling has always been fairly HR-prone. Yesterday Hill gave up 6 hits and 4 of them left the park - that doesn't happen very often. He may end up being a HR-prone pitcher because of a flyball tendancy, but if he can limit the number of hits and walks he gives up, he can still be a very effective pitcher.

 

It happens more often if you don't have overpowering stuff and you flake out on your location at certain times during the ballgame. Wouldn't you say that's a fair statement?

 

I think that's what is happening here. Hill can be just fine. But he's a control/offspeed pitcher who is simply going to need to keep his focus and locate better. Especially the fastball, which isn't all that special.

[A New Era]

bumping just to get the post off, "666". thx.

[Bull]

bumping just to get the post off, "666". thx.

 

Time to change your sig to "Prior: -.--"

[TruffleShuffle]

Hill was lucky his first few starts... low BAA, very low BAA with RISP, and very few of his mistakes were getting hit hard. The last three starts his location hasn't been as good, but he's been unlucky - his bad pitches have been hit out of the park. Still, he's got an adequate BB rate, a solid K rate, and a 1.09 WHIP. He'll be fine.

 

Is it really bad luck to give up long balls? Usually you hear of luck being involved when you're talking about balls in play. But HR, BB and K are the things a pitcher controls.

 

right, but Curt Schilling has always been fairly HR-prone. Yesterday Hill gave up 6 hits and 4 of them left the park - that doesn't happen very often. He may end up being a HR-prone pitcher because of a flyball tendancy, but if he can limit the number of hits and walks he gives up, he can still be a very effective pitcher.

 

It happens more often if you don't have overpowering stuff and you flake out on your location at certain times during the ballgame. Wouldn't you say that's a fair statement?

 

yeah, but how many times will a pitcher give up 3+ HR and have the homers be two-thirds of his hit total in the game? Probably less than 5 times this year, I'd guess. Most of the time if a pitcher is giving up HR like crazy, he's giving up a lot of other hits too.

[A New Era]

bumping just to get the post off, "666". thx.

 

Time to change your sig to "Prior: -.--"

 

Too tired.

[TruffleShuffle]

let's go rich

[seanimal]

Solid outing, well on his way to a CG shutout. Then, you know...

[TruffleShuffle]

bad decision taking him out after just 66 pitches. Still, nice outing by Rich. Hopefully for his sake he gets traded to a real baseball team.

[abuck1220]

wow, i didn't realize he was only at 66 pitches. boy, taking him out was stupid especially considering how bad the pen has been.

 

lou has been really bad lately.