Loria Still Won't Endorse Girardi

[Ding Dong Johnson]

TCR: What press the team has gotten has talked about Girardi from the leadership side, but how is he as an in-game manager? On a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is where I think Dusty Baker belongs and 10 is where Tony LaRussa thinks he belongs, where would you put him? What does he do too much, or not enough?

 

DLB: Closer to Baker than LaRussa, not that I think much of that stuff matters all that much. Girardi bunts way too much. Gives up outs in the first inning with Dan Uggla, one of his best hitters, against pitchers with an ERA of 6.00. Doesn't make sense. It's awful and frequent, but it isn't like it matters much because you can win in spite of it, as the Marlins have shown. Wednesday night, he bunted with runners on first and second and no outs in a 2-0 game he was winning with the eighth spot and a pitcher throwing a no-hitter. So he moved runners over for Anibel Sanchez, who is hitting .091. Exasperating.

 

ugh

[CubinNY]

TCR: What press the team has gotten has talked about Girardi from the leadership side, but how is he as an in-game manager? On a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is where I think Dusty Baker belongs and 10 is where Tony LaRussa thinks he belongs, where would you put him? What does he do too much, or not enough?

 

DLB: Closer to Baker than LaRussa, not that I think much of that stuff matters all that much. Girardi bunts way too much. Gives up outs in the first inning with Dan Uggla, one of his best hitters, against pitchers with an ERA of 6.00. Doesn't make sense. It's awful and frequent, but it isn't like it matters much because you can win in spite of it, as the Marlins have shown. Wednesday night, he bunted with runners on first and second and no outs in a 2-0 game he was winning with the eighth spot and a pitcher throwing a no-hitter. So he moved runners over for Anibel Sanchez, who is hitting .091. Exasperating.

 

ugh

 

Just say no to Joe!

[Outshined_One]

Since when did TLR become a 10 on the managerial intelligence scale?

 

This is the same friggin' guy who uses four pitchers to get three outs in an inning.

[CubColtPacer]

Since when did TLR become a 10 on the managerial intelligence scale?

 

This is the same friggin' guy who uses four pitchers to get three outs in an inning.

 

He wasn't rated as a 10-read the quote again. 10 is what La Russa would give himself for all his over managing.

[Outshined_One]

Since when did TLR become a 10 on the managerial intelligence scale?

 

This is the same friggin' guy who uses four pitchers to get three outs in an inning.

 

He wasn't rated as a 10-read the quote again. 10 is what La Russa would give himself for all his over managing.

 

HA! I misread that.

 

Nice dig. :lol:

[UK1679666180]

Since when did TLR become a 10 on the managerial intelligence scale?

 

This is the same friggin' guy who uses four pitchers to get three outs in an inning.

 

He is the opposite of Baker in that regard, LaRussa does use stats more than a traditional R/L match-up and I do find myself agreeing with Tony's thought process moreso than Baker's. With that said, LaRussa is way too much of a micromanager for me as I find his moves to be at the expense of keeping a productive reliever in for a better statistical match-up which exposes the inconsistent nature of a player for statistical advantages. Assuming similar workloads and fatigue, I would feel more comfortable with a reliever that has done well to the 1st few batters he has faced rather than bringing him someone new (also assuming they have been similar in production throughout the year).

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Freddi! Freddi!

[Brian]

Freddi! Freddi!

 

That's where I'm leaning too, Girardi seems more like a Hendry hiring though.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Dierker still has my vote. The man's views of the game are right on point.

[cubfan1955]

Dierker still has my vote. The man's views of the game are right on point.

You might get an ex-Houston manager managing the Cubs but it won't be Dierker. (Jimy Williams)

 

But my money still says Baker will be extended because Hendry still believes, wrongly I might add, that he is the right man for the job.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Dierker still has my vote. The man's views of the game are right on point.

You might get an ex-Houston manager managing the Cubs but it won't be Dierker. (Jimy Williams)

 

But my money still says Baker will be extended because Hendry still believes, wrongly I might add, that he is the right man for the job.

 

I am now comfortable in believing that Baker will not be back. I don't think after this season there is any way Hendry brings him back, and I don't think Baker wants to be back.

 

I agree that Dierker likely would never be hired as long as Hendry is in charge. Now if we could get Hendry fired and replaced with Hunsicker, the odds of getting Dierker would increase dramatically.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Dierker still has my vote. The man's views of the game are right on point.

 

Why continue to vote for and push such an unrealistic opportunity? No offense intended. It just sounds like a waste of time, but it's your time. :wink:

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Dierker still has my vote. The man's views of the game are right on point.

 

Why continue to vote for and push such an unrealistic opportunity? No offense intended. It just sounds like a waste of time, but it's your time. :wink:

 

Because Dierker is the best option. I could ask everyone pushing to sign Zito the same question, but since we're all free to express our opinions, I'll continue to push my desire for Dierker as manager.

[NCCubFan]

But my money still says Baker will be extended because Hendry still believes, wrongly I might add, that he is the right man for the job.

I think the handwriting is so much on the wall now that I'd be totally shocked if Dusty returns. I wouldn't have said that two months ago.

[muntjack]

Just curious, but with all of us assuming Baker is out the door come October, what is your reaction if Hendry announces a two year extension?

 

It is possible that he feels inextricably tied to Baker, and knows that all the attention will turn to him if 2007 is a bust without Baker at the helm.

[YearofDaCubs]

Just curious, but with all of us assuming Baker is out the door come October, what is your reaction if Hendry announces a two year extension?

 

It is possible that he feels inextricably tied to Baker, and knows that all the attention will turn to him if 2007 is a bust without Baker at the helm.

If Baker is back next year which is highly unlikely at this point, I imagine a big riot outside of Clark/Addison

Edited September 9, 2006 by YearofDaCubs

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Just curious, but with all of us assuming Baker is out the door come October, what is your reaction if Hendry announces a two year extension?

 

It is possible that he feels inextricably tied to Baker, and knows that all the attention will turn to him if 2007 is a bust without Baker at the helm.

 

I don't think Baker accepts, even if he is offered one.

[A New Era]

Baker will not be back. .

 

1) he has lost so many games the 2nd half, that Hendry now knows he is not the man for the job anymore

 

2) baker has been playing his cards, getting his excuses out there to the papers, sounds like he's ready to find a new job and is already playing his cards.

 

3) hendry, MacPhail, trib, hell they ALL know, if they don't make some drastic changes, even starting with letting baker go. They would have millions of cubs fans angry at them. There is no way that after all this negativity toward baker, that you can even think of letting him return, now.

[Outshined_One]

Just curious, but with all of us assuming Baker is out the door come October, what is your reaction if Hendry announces a two year extension?

 

It is possible that he feels inextricably tied to Baker, and knows that all the attention will turn to him if 2007 is a bust without Baker at the helm.

If Baker is back next year which is highly unlikely at this point, I imagine a big riot outside of Clark/Addison

 

I imagine some one sneaking rotten fruit into the Cubs Convention in the offseason.

[cubfan1955]

But my money still says Baker will be extended because Hendry still believes, wrongly I might add, that he is the right man for the job.

I think the handwriting is so much on the wall now that I'd be totally shocked if Dusty returns. I wouldn't have said that two months ago.

If it was any team not named the Cubs I would agree. Somehow they always manage do do the wrong thing.

[NCCubFan]

But my money still says Baker will be extended because Hendry still believes, wrongly I might add, that he is the right man for the job.

I think the handwriting is so much on the wall now that I'd be totally shocked if Dusty returns. I wouldn't have said that two months ago.

If it was any team not named the Cubs I would agree. Somehow they always manage do do the wrong thing.

It isn't just the Cubs' decision, however. Even if they stupidly want him back, that doesn't mean Dusty wants to return. I, along with several other posters, think that he may choose to look elsewhere regardless of what Hendry decides.

[A New Era]

But my money still says Baker will be extended because Hendry still believes, wrongly I might add, that he is the right man for the job.

I think the handwriting is so much on the wall now that I'd be totally shocked if Dusty returns. I wouldn't have said that two months ago.

If it was any team not named the Cubs I would agree. Somehow they always manage do do the wrong thing.

It isn't just the Cubs' decision, however. Even if they stupidly want him back, that doesn't mean Dusty wants to return. I, along with several other posters, think that he may choose to look elsewhere regardless of what Hendry decides.

 

Everything points to it. Hendry's words, Dusty's words, fan and media pressure on dusty to get the heck out of town. All of the stars have aligned and we will see dusty go. Remember during our huge decline people were still thinking hendry would still re-up dusty? I remember all of the radio shows all thought dusty would still be back. But alot has happened since then. .

[cubfan1955]

But my money still says Baker will be extended because Hendry still believes, wrongly I might add, that he is the right man for the job.

I think the handwriting is so much on the wall now that I'd be totally shocked if Dusty returns. I wouldn't have said that two months ago.

If it was any team not named the Cubs I would agree. Somehow they always manage do do the wrong thing.

It isn't just the Cubs' decision, however. Even if they stupidly want him back, that doesn't mean Dusty wants to return. I, along with several other posters, think that he may choose to look elsewhere regardless of what Hendry decides.

I'm hoping in one way or another he isn't back but I've learned not to get my hopes too high when it comes to this team. I'll believe it when it happens.

 

And even if it does happen I have all the faith in the world that Hendry will choose another manager that is as bad or worse (if possible) than Dusty. :cry:

[C.C.]

Still dosen't look good for Joe in florida....

 

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/15503087.htm

 

 

Baseball officials close to the situation say the main issue has been this: Loria likes his organization run collectively, with the front office having input beyond player procurement. And too often, Girardi has resisted those suggestions, causing a significant strain between him and the front office, including GM Larry Beinfest.

 

''It has been a constant fight,'' one of the officials said.

 

 

 

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For much of the season, Girardi's approach, according to one of the officials, has been ''very controlling, like I'll run this team the way I want to run this team.'' When front-office officials ask Girardi after games why he made certain decisions, he hasn't been particularly responsive, which also has been an issue.

 

[goonys evil twin]

For much of the season, Girardi's approach, according to one of the officials, has been ''very controlling, like I'll run this team the way I want to run this team.'' When front-office officials ask Girardi after games why he made certain decisions, he hasn't been particularly responsive, which also has been an issue.

 

 

I would hate a manager like that. A manager should have to explain himself to the GM when asked, unless the GM is asking him about every little thing. If Joe can't handle a superior asking him why he did something it doesn't speak well for his ability to work within the hierarchy of an organization.