Loria Still Won't Endorse Girardi

[C.C.]

For much of the season, Girardi's approach, according to one of the officials, has been ''very controlling, like I'll run this team the way I want to run this team.'' When front-office officials ask Girardi after games why he made certain decisions, he hasn't been particularly responsive, which also has been an issue.

 

 

I would hate a manager like that. A manager should have to explain himself to the GM when asked, unless the GM is asking him about every little thing. If Joe can't handle a superior asking him why he did something it doesn't speak well for his ability to work within the hierarchy of an organization.

 

I agree with you goon. The more I read about Girardi, the more I sour on him as manager of the Cubs.

[Banedon]

For much of the season, Girardi's approach, according to one of the officials, has been ''very controlling, like I'll run this team the way I want to run this team.'' When front-office officials ask Girardi after games why he made certain decisions, he hasn't been particularly responsive, which also has been an issue.

 

 

I would hate a manager like that. A manager should have to explain himself to the GM when asked, unless the GM is asking him about every little thing. If Joe can't handle a superior asking him why he did something it doesn't speak well for his ability to work within the hierarchy of an organization.

 

I agree with you goon. The more I read about Girardi, the more I sour on him as manager of the Cubs.

 

I'm not a big Girardi proponent, but reading too much into the little big of info that leaks out to the media is probably not a great way to evaluate the guy. I've read a lot about Loria being pretty petty when he wants to be too, so it's certainly feasible that he's leaking all the "bad" info about Girardi. I'm trying to limit my judgement to his actual game management performance, because there's just too much contradiction in the other stuff.

[CuseCubFan69]

For much of the season, Girardi's approach, according to one of the officials, has been ''very controlling, like I'll run this team the way I want to run this team.'' When front-office officials ask Girardi after games why he made certain decisions, he hasn't been particularly responsive, which also has been an issue.

 

 

I would hate a manager like that. A manager should have to explain himself to the GM when asked, unless the GM is asking him about every little thing. If Joe can't handle a superior asking him why he did something it doesn't speak well for his ability to work within the hierarchy of an organization.

 

I agree with you goon. The more I read about Girardi, the more I sour on him as manager of the Cubs.

 

I'm not a big Girardi proponent, but reading too much into the little big of info that leaks out to the media is probably not a great way to evaluate the guy. I've read a lot about Loria being pretty petty when he wants to be too, so it's certainly feasible that he's leaking all the "bad" info about Girardi. I'm trying to limit my judgement to his actual game management performance, because there's just too much contradiction in the other stuff.

 

You're probably right. I read somewhere that Joe left the field in the first couple of innings while his team was still playing. One of his players smashed his old catchers equipment with a bat in the clubhouse.

[biittner77]

For much of the season, Girardi's approach, according to one of the officials, has been ''very controlling, like I'll run this team the way I want to run this team.'' When front-office officials ask Girardi after games why he made certain decisions, he hasn't been particularly responsive, which also has been an issue.

 

 

I would hate a manager like that. A manager should have to explain himself to the GM when asked, unless the GM is asking him about every little thing. If Joe can't handle a superior asking him why he did something it doesn't speak well for his ability to work within the hierarchy of an organization.

 

This bolded part is the key. No one likes having a micromanaging fool constantly looking over their shoulder. Given their unexpected success on the field, Loria should shut up and let Girardi manage.

 

As far as the Cubs situation goes, I'd want a manager that is at odds with Hendry because I don't agree with much, if anything, of Hendry's baseball philosophy.

[goonys evil twin]

For much of the season, Girardi's approach, according to one of the officials, has been ''very controlling, like I'll run this team the way I want to run this team.'' When front-office officials ask Girardi after games why he made certain decisions, he hasn't been particularly responsive, which also has been an issue.

 

 

I would hate a manager like that. A manager should have to explain himself to the GM when asked, unless the GM is asking him about every little thing. If Joe can't handle a superior asking him why he did something it doesn't speak well for his ability to work within the hierarchy of an organization.

 

I agree with you goon. The more I read about Girardi, the more I sour on him as manager of the Cubs.

 

I'm not a big Girardi proponent, but reading too much into the little big of info that leaks out to the media is probably not a great way to evaluate the guy. I've read a lot about Loria being pretty petty when he wants to be too, so it's certainly feasible that he's leaking all the "bad" info about Girardi. I'm trying to limit my judgement to his actual game management performance, because there's just too much contradiction in the other stuff.

 

Very true, which is why I said "a manager like that" and "if Joe..." I really don't know the truth here, although I could see this being the case. With the Zimmer influence, Joe might be a guy who makes a lot of moves on gut instinct, and it's hard to explain why you did something if you just thought of it on the fly. Plus, he went to Northwestern, so we know he's a jerk. :D

[Banedon]

Plus, he went to Northwestern, so we know he's a jerk. :D

 

Well at least you're judging him on facts!! :lol:

[badger1679666666]

For much of the season, Girardi's approach, according to one of the officials, has been ''very controlling, like I'll run this team the way I want to run this team.'' When front-office officials ask Girardi after games why he made certain decisions, he hasn't been particularly responsive, which also has been an issue.

 

 

I would hate a manager like that. A manager should have to explain himself to the GM when asked, unless the GM is asking him about every little thing. If Joe can't handle a superior asking him why he did something it doesn't speak well for his ability to work within the hierarchy of an organization.

 

Well this isn't in a vacuum goon. He hasn't had the most open and positive relationship from the beginning, and Loria is a douch to begin with.

[shnsajax]

For much of the season, Girardi's approach, according to one of the officials, has been ''very controlling, like I'll run this team the way I want to run this team.'' When front-office officials ask Girardi after games why he made certain decisions, he hasn't been particularly responsive, which also has been an issue.

 

 

I would hate a manager like that. A manager should have to explain himself to the GM when asked, unless the GM is asking him about every little thing. If Joe can't handle a superior asking him why he did something it doesn't speak well for his ability to work within the hierarchy of an organization.

 

Well this isn't in a vacuum goon. He hasn't had the most open and positive relationship from the beginning, and Loria is a douch to begin with.

 

I think it also depends on what kind of questions are being asked. If the GM is telling him how to manage the game on a day to day basis that would piss me off too, and I am guessing most every other manager in baseball.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

There's two extreme possibilities here. Once could be that Loria is a pain in the ass to work for. The other is that Girardi is a control-freak on the level of Buck Showalter.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Loria isn't the GM.

[CubinNY]

There's two extreme possibilities here. Once could be that Loria is a pain in the ass to work for. The other is that Girardi is a control-freak on the level of Buck Showalter.

 

And they both could be true.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

There's two extreme possibilities here. Once could be that Loria is a pain in the ass to work for. The other is that Girardi is a control-freak on the level of Buck Showalter.

 

And they both could be true.

 

I never said one meant the other wasn't true. :P

[Soriano12]

who cares if Girardi is a control freak?

 

Seriously. Thats the best thing the Cubs need.

 

 

Have the middle infielders take ground ball practice till

2am if thats what it takes.

[CubinNY]

who cares if Girardi is a control freak?

 

Seriously. Thats the best thing the Cubs need.

 

 

Have the middle infielders take ground ball practice till

2am if thats what it takes.

 

I don't care if he is a control freak. I do care if in the 5th inning he bunts with the 7th place hitter in the line up and a guy on 1st though.

 

I do care if he doesn't pay attention to things like walks taken and walks given.

 

I do care if he uses convential wisdom to guide his judgment when the conventional wisdom is wrong.

 

I don't know enough about Giradi to form a conclusion yet, but the information I do have suggests to me that he may not be what I want.

 

The Marlins are winning on talent. I think most teams win on talent. I don't think the manager has much of an effect over the course of the season, but as we have learned even a handfull of games can be important.

[Magnetic Curses]

who cares if Girardi is a control freak?

 

Seriously. Thats the best thing the Cubs need.

 

 

Have the middle infielders take ground ball practice till

2am if thats what it takes.

 

upper management should make the personnel decisions and set organizational philosophy. the field manager should make nice with the media and perpetuate the ideas of upper management or else he's stupid.

[C.C.]

Joe looks as good as gone in florida....

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-0609220127sep22,1,6392341.story?coll=chi-sportsnew-hed

 

 

On a scale of 1 to 10, Girardi's chances of returning next year are "zero," according to a source who has spoken with the Marlins' front office.

 

"I don't think there is any chance," the source said.

 

 

AND

 

 

The last straw for Girardi, 41, apparently was his ill-fated decision to bring back prized right-hander Josh Johnson after an 82-minute rain delay Sept. 12 at Dolphin Stadium.

 

"Not one of the smarter moves of the year," the source said.

 

 

The more I read about him the more I don't want him here....

[CuseCubFan69]

Joe looks as good as gone in florida....

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-0609220127sep22,1,6392341.story?coll=chi-sportsnew-hed

 

 

On a scale of 1 to 10, Girardi's chances of returning next year are "zero," according to a source who has spoken with the Marlins' front office.

 

"I don't think there is any chance," the source said.

 

 

AND

 

 

The last straw for Girardi, 41, apparently was his ill-fated decision to bring back prized right-hander Josh Johnson after an 82-minute rain delay Sept. 12 at Dolphin Stadium.

 

"Not one of the smarter moves of the year," the source said.

 

 

The more I read about him the more I don't want him here....

 

That isn't a smart move unless he only threw a few pitches. What part of the game was the delay?

[RynoRules]

That's what I was thinking when I read that in the Trib this morning - they don't give you all the info. And who is this unnamed source that is killing Girardi? Sure sounds like Loria is sending his minions out to do his dirty work.

 

That said, I love Joe and the notion of accountability that he brings to the table. However, I haven't seen enough of how he handles game situations to know whether he's the so-called "perfect fit".

 

Earlier in this thread someone mentioned that he wanted to play Cabrera at 1B, Uggla in LF, Nolasco and Johnson in the minors, etc. I am not sure what's wrong with any of that. Cabrera isn't a great 3B anyway, and his body would take less of a beating at 1B. Uggla's stats make him a productive corner OFer, and again, LF is less demanding on the body. Finally, as noted by Outshined, Johnson and Nolasco were AA - not AAA - stars last year. Its not like they were both Rich Hill, dominating at the AAA level. I really didn't have any problem with any of those ideas.

 

The real question is: If he wanted to make all of those moves, who did he propose to play at 3B, 2B, and to fill the other two rotation slots?

[CubColtPacer]

Joe looks as good as gone in florida....

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-0609220127sep22,1,6392341.story?coll=chi-sportsnew-hed

 

 

On a scale of 1 to 10, Girardi's chances of returning next year are "zero," according to a source who has spoken with the Marlins' front office.

 

"I don't think there is any chance," the source said.

 

 

AND

 

 

The last straw for Girardi, 41, apparently was his ill-fated decision to bring back prized right-hander Josh Johnson after an 82-minute rain delay Sept. 12 at Dolphin Stadium.

 

"Not one of the smarter moves of the year," the source said.

 

 

The more I read about him the more I don't want him here....

 

That isn't a smart move unless he only threw a few pitches. What part of the game was the delay?

 

I just looked up the recap of the game. The delay was in the second, and both starting pitchers returned to the game.

[fromthestretch]

That's what I was thinking when I read that in the Trib this morning - they don't give you all the info. And who is this unnamed source that is killing Girardi? Sure sounds like Loria is sending his minions out to do his dirty work.

 

That said, I love Joe and the notion of accountability that he brings to the table. However, I haven't seen enough of how he handles game situations to know whether he's the so-called "perfect fit".

 

Earlier in this thread someone mentioned that he wanted to play Cabrera at 1B, Uggla in LF, Nolasco and Johnson in the minors, etc. I am not sure what's wrong with any of that. Cabrera isn't a great 3B anyway, and his body would take less of a beating at 1B. Uggla's stats make him a productive corner OFer, and again, LF is less demanding on the body. Finally, as noted by Outshined, Johnson and Nolasco were AA - not AAA - stars last year. Its not like they were both Rich Hill, dominating at the AAA level. I really didn't have any problem with any of those ideas.

 

The real question is: If he wanted to make all of those moves, who did he propose to play at 3B, 2B, and to fill the other two rotation slots?

 

Like you said, a lot depends on who he was going to pencil in at 3B and 2B, but I don't think it would have been a good move to put Cabrera at 1B. He can handle 3B defensively. Plus, they've probably gotten more offense out of Jacobs at 1B than they would have received from anyone on that team at 3B had they moved Cabrera to first. Not that Jacobs is an All-Star or anything, but in my opinion Cabrera (3B) + Jacobs/Helms platoon (1B) > Cabrera (1B) + scrap-heap third baseman. Even if you don't like Jacobs' offense, it would be easier to find a first baseman than a third baseman. Of course, if you want to get creative, you could play Cabrera at third and Jacobs at first against right-handers, with Cabrera moving to first and Helms playing third against lefties.

 

I would have also left Uggla at 2B. It's much easier to find an outfielder with those numbers than it is to find a second baseman with that kind of offense.

 

I had also read that Girardi wanted to keep Willingham at catcher, which I thought was a good idea. His offense has been good for a left fielder, but would have been great as a catcher. If they wanted to get his bat in the lineup more, put him in LF once or twice a week when he's not catching.

[Tracer Bullet]

The Marlins already have identified possible replacements for Girardi, the report said, including a trio of third base coaches: Fredi Gonzalez (Atlanta), Joey Cora (Chicago White Sox) and Manny Acta (New York Mets).

 

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I hope we go get Fredi Gonzalez before Florida does. But something tells me JH will welcome Girardi with open arms.

[C.C.]

The Marlins already have identified possible replacements for Girardi, the report said, including a trio of third base coaches: Fredi Gonzalez (Atlanta), Joey Cora (Chicago White Sox) and Manny Acta (New York Mets).

 

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I hope we go get Fredi Gonzalez before Florida does. But something tells me JH will welcome Girardi with open arms.

 

I agree. It seems like a perfect marketing-feel-good-story move for the Cubs...

[CubColtPacer]

The Marlins already have identified possible replacements for Girardi, the report said, including a trio of third base coaches: Fredi Gonzalez (Atlanta), Joey Cora (Chicago White Sox) and Manny Acta (New York Mets).

 

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I hope we go get Fredi Gonzalez before Florida does. But something tells me JH will welcome Girardi with open arms.

 

I agree. It seems like a perfect marketing-feel-good-story move for the Cubs...

 

I'm just listening to Mike and Mike in the Morning though, and in an interview with Gammons he says that he believes the Cubs organization is not nearly as enthused about signing Girardi as the media and fans would be.

 

BTW, the rumor also is there are some teams who would actually fire thier manager to go out and try to get Girardi-I don't really understand that sentiment.

[Soriano12]

Come home Joe!

 

8)

[Banedon]

Come home Joe!

 

8)

 

I'll pass.