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The thing is, I'm not sure about a couple of them, but I believe all of those players you mentioned were in their final year-those teams did not have to eat 3 million dollars for next year, and so if the player is not helping them right now, they might as well cut him if he cannot help them before the end of the year. There is a small chance Glendon might actually be a decent reliever next year-let's go through the offseason (he gets no guarantees, he has to make the team fair and square), and if he's not good enough to make the team at the start of next year, then release him.

 

I don't see the point in waster 25-man and 40-man roster space on the guy for the off chance that he'll be halfway decent next year. He's been bad most of his career, he was bad last year and he's been awful this year. I don't think it is smart to gamble that he'll be better.

 

Well, if we need the 40 man space, that's one thing. I don't want him on the 25 man roster at all this year, so that's irrelevant-he'd have to earn his way back on to the 25 man roster next year under my plan. He wasn't good last year, but he wasn't that bad-he posted a 4.52 ERA in 2005, admittedly with a high WHIP. So he was at right about league average ERA in 2005-if he could return to that, he'd be fine as a long reliever. The only gamble is the waste of a 40 man spot-if there is a reasonable chance of losing somebody of value because of him, then go ahead and release him-if not, there's not much to lose.

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Well, if we need the 40 man space, that's one thing. I don't want him on the 25 man roster at all this year, so that's irrelevant-he'd have to earn his way back on to the 25 man roster next year under my plan.

 

He's already on the 25-man roster. I believe those are relavent even during the offseason, and he won't be on the DL in the off-season. The Cubs can't just give him a non-roster spring training invitation.

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Well, if we need the 40 man space, that's one thing. I don't want him on the 25 man roster at all this year, so that's irrelevant-he'd have to earn his way back on to the 25 man roster next year under my plan.

 

He's already on the 25-man roster. I believe those are relavent even during the offseason, and he won't be on the DL in the off-season. The Cubs can't just give him a non-roster spring training invitation.

 

I don't know how the 25 man roster would be relevant in the offseason-what happens if 5 people end up on the DL at the end of the season? Does that mean 30 people are on the 25 man roster? I think that the 40 man roster is the only one that is needed during the offseason.

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Well, if we need the 40 man space, that's one thing. I don't want him on the 25 man roster at all this year, so that's irrelevant-he'd have to earn his way back on to the 25 man roster next year under my plan.

 

He's already on the 25-man roster. I believe those are relavent even during the offseason, and he won't be on the DL in the off-season. The Cubs can't just give him a non-roster spring training invitation.

 

I don't know how the 25 man roster would be relevant in the offseason-what happens if 5 people end up on the DL at the end of the season? Does that mean 30 people are on the 25 man roster? I think that the 40 man roster is the only one that is needed during the offseason.

 

I don't believe teams get a DL exemption for the roster in the offseason. I'm pretty sure that at some point early in the offseason the Cubs have to have the 25 man roster set, which might mean sending some guys with options back to minor league rosters, officially, and not offering arbitration to unsigned veterans they want to get rid of. Given that Rusch is signed through next year, is out of options and has enough service time to refuse a minor league assignment, he will count against both the 40-man roster and 25-man roster throughout the offseason, affecting other moves that could theoretically be made. A release would change all that.

 

"Each Major League Baseball team maintains both a 25-man roster and a 40-man roster of players, year-round. The 25-man roster is the list of eligible players who may play in a game. The 40-man roster includes the 25-man roster plus players in the minor leagues as well as players on the 15-day disabled list (see below). From September 1 through the end of the regular season, active rosters are expanded to a limit of 40 players; thus, clubs may freely add any of these 15 players to its active roster, giving them the opportunity to play in the major leagues near the end of the season."

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Mr. Floppy Breasts and Mr. Speed That Don't Matter back from DL, Marmol to DL.

 

 

c'mon Glendon. throw 10 innings of scoreless ball between now and 8/31 and be on your way to a despearate contender. Mets, I'm looking at you.

 

I'd be shocked if Hendry let him go with the Cubs pitching situation as it is. I know, Rusch isn't a very good pitcher but Hendry signed him and must think he is.

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so DL players count against the 40 man but not the 25 man - that's how I read that anyway.

 

During the season. There is no DL during the offseason. Correct?

 

I'm not sure - the way that sounds the 25 man is irrelevant in the offseason and only the 40 man matters -which would also make the DL irrelevant. what difference would the 25 man make when there are no games?

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Mr. Floppy Breasts and Mr. Speed That Don't Matter back from DL, Marmol to DL.

 

 

c'mon Glendon. throw 10 innings of scoreless ball between now and 8/31 and be on your way to a despearate contender. Mets, I'm looking at you.

 

I'd be shocked if Hendry let him go with the Cubs pitching situation as it is. I know, Rusch isn't a very good pitcher but Hendry signed him and must think he is.

 

I think Hendry might finally be having what alcoholics refer to as "a moment of clarity". I think he understands that if they don't improve considerably next year, he's a goner.

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Well, if we need the 40 man space, that's one thing. I don't want him on the 25 man roster at all this year, so that's irrelevant-he'd have to earn his way back on to the 25 man roster next year under my plan.

 

He's already on the 25-man roster. I believe those are relavent even during the offseason, and he won't be on the DL in the off-season. The Cubs can't just give him a non-roster spring training invitation.

 

I don't know how the 25 man roster would be relevant in the offseason-what happens if 5 people end up on the DL at the end of the season? Does that mean 30 people are on the 25 man roster? I think that the 40 man roster is the only one that is needed during the offseason.

 

I don't believe teams get a DL exemption for the roster in the offseason. I'm pretty sure that at some point early in the offseason the Cubs have to have the 25 man roster set, which might mean sending some guys with options back to minor league rosters, officially, and not offering arbitration to unsigned veterans they want to get rid of. Given that Rusch is signed through next year, is out of options and has enough service time to refuse a minor league assignment, he will count against both the 40-man roster and 25-man roster throughout the offseason, affecting other moves that could theoretically be made. A release would change all that.

 

"Each Major League Baseball team maintains both a 25-man roster and a 40-man roster of players, year-round. The 25-man roster is the list of eligible players who may play in a game. The 40-man roster includes the 25-man roster plus players in the minor leagues as well as players on the 15-day disabled list (see below). From September 1 through the end of the regular season, active rosters are expanded to a limit of 40 players; thus, clubs may freely add any of these 15 players to its active roster, giving them the opportunity to play in the major leagues near the end of the season."

 

Options aren't burnt on September callups, so even if there is a need for a 25 man roster in the offseason,(I don't believe there is, I think year round refers to season round.) options are not burnt.

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There is no 25-man roster in the off-season. In fact, there isn't beginning Sept. 1. From then until Opening Day there's only the 40-man.
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there's no excuse for glendon not to be dfa'd

 

Yeah considering Weaver, Wilson, Choi, Pollite, and many others were DFA'd. I mean I understand Hendry doesn't want to admit he made a bad investment but it's time to own up and cut the guy. He had one career year and the Glendon Rusch we are seeing today is the real Glendon Rusch.

 

Don't forget Sidney Ponson was DFA not once but twice this year.

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