Preseason NCAA Coaches Poll

[hawkeyecub]

Because those numbers don't mean much, especially in predicting the future. Where's the track record? What kind of history do most of those programs have? Pitt and Syracuse have arguably the best, but they're led by incompetent head coaches.

What history do Cincy and UCONN have? Rutgers? South Florida? Nothing. People go with tradition in college football, because that's the way it is for the most part. Teams in power conferences can turn things around, but for multiple teams with no tradition or history to become a power isn't likely.

 

You say recruiting will get better without a doubt. Why? I don't see any reason for that. It won't get better unless the teams win. They've already had that "We're moving to the hot, new Big East" angle to sell for the last 2-3 years. That stuff always works at first (see most new college basketball and football coaches) but wears off if you don't win.

[jjgman21]

 

It's funny. When it comes to the numbers people like them in baseball but go with tradition in College Football.

 

which numbers? numbers work in baseball because baseball is based on individual v. individual and a sample size that tends to exclude anomolies. that is not so in football.

[NCCubFan]

That depends on how far you want to go back, I guess. Before PSU joined, Iowa was also a team that was regulary ranked (peaked at #1) and a bowl team consistently throughout the 80s. MSU had some really good teams, Illinois put together a few good seasons, and even Indiana had a few winning records.

In the Bill Mallory era they went to bowl games almost every year for awhile, and was even ranked at year-end a few years. One year they were in Rose Bowl contention late in the season before losing to Michigan State.

[CuseCubFan69]

 

It's funny. When it comes to the numbers people like them in baseball but go with tradition in College Football.

 

which numbers? numbers work in baseball because baseball is based on individual v. individual and a sample size that tends to exclude anomolies. that is not so in football.

 

The numbers of what conference is better than another. Automatically no matter how poor Ohio State or Michigan are they are in the top ten to begin with and have to be knocked out. This does in fact keep the good ole boys in business.

[CuseCubFan69]

Because those numbers don't mean much, especially in predicting the future. Where's the track record? What kind of history do most of those programs have? Pitt and Syracuse have arguably the best, but they're led by incompetent head coaches.

What history do Cincy and UCONN have? Rutgers? South Florida? Nothing. People go with tradition in college football, because that's the way it is for the most part. Teams in power conferences can turn things around, but for multiple teams with no tradition or history to become a power isn't likely.

 

You say recruiting will get better without a doubt. Why? I don't see any reason for that. It won't get better unless the teams win. They've already had that "We're moving to the hot, new Big East" angle to sell for the last 2-3 years. That stuff always works at first (see most new college basketball and football coaches) but wears off if you don't win.

 

The area itself is conducive to making this conference better. If kids want to play where their families can see them most of the time they can stay here in the untapped East. We are now starting to get those Virginia kids that Tech and Virginia once had a lock on and have the talent rich Florida.

 

Rutgers has just as much or more history as a lot of the Big Ten teams and both they and UConn went to a bowl game last year. NJ has a huge talent base and if you have read the rivals.com at all Rutgers is now in with many Jersey kids if not most. I admit you're stadiums are much bigger, Michigan, Penn State and Ohio State than ours but in time your going to see something special out of this conference. People also thought the BE was crazy for taking a small school with no history called VTech too and look at them now.

[goonys evil twin]

Because those numbers don't mean much, especially in predicting the future. Where's the track record? What kind of history do most of those programs have? Pitt and Syracuse have arguably the best, but they're led by incompetent head coaches.

What history do Cincy and UCONN have? Rutgers? South Florida? Nothing. People go with tradition in college football, because that's the way it is for the most part. Teams in power conferences can turn things around, but for multiple teams with no tradition or history to become a power isn't likely.

 

You say recruiting will get better without a doubt. Why? I don't see any reason for that. It won't get better unless the teams win. They've already had that "We're moving to the hot, new Big East" angle to sell for the last 2-3 years. That stuff always works at first (see most new college basketball and football coaches) but wears off if you don't win.

 

The area itself is conducive to making this conference better. If kids want to play where their families can see them most of the time they can stay here in the untapped East. We are now starting to get those Virginia kids that Tech and Virginia once had a lock on and have the talent rich Florida.

 

Rutgers has just as much or more history as a lot of the Big Ten teams and both they and UConn went to a bowl game last year. NJ has a huge talent base and if you have read the rivals.com at all Rutgers is now in with many Jersey kids if not most. I admit you're stadiums are much bigger, Michigan, Penn State and Ohio State than ours but in time your going to see something special out of this conference. People also thought the BE was crazy for taking a small school with no history called VTech too and look at them now.

 

Untapped east coast market? Rutgers has as much history as a lot of Big Ten teams? There isn't much talent out here. Dilution from others sports is huge. The east hasn't competed in football for a very long time for a very good reason. Outside of PA, there is nothing to contend with the southeast, midwest or west coast.

[CuseCubFan69]

Because those numbers don't mean much, especially in predicting the future. Where's the track record? What kind of history do most of those programs have? Pitt and Syracuse have arguably the best, but they're led by incompetent head coaches.

What history do Cincy and UCONN have? Rutgers? South Florida? Nothing. People go with tradition in college football, because that's the way it is for the most part. Teams in power conferences can turn things around, but for multiple teams with no tradition or history to become a power isn't likely.

 

You say recruiting will get better without a doubt. Why? I don't see any reason for that. It won't get better unless the teams win. They've already had that "We're moving to the hot, new Big East" angle to sell for the last 2-3 years. That stuff always works at first (see most new college basketball and football coaches) but wears off if you don't win.

 

The area itself is conducive to making this conference better. If kids want to play where their families can see them most of the time they can stay here in the untapped East. We are now starting to get those Virginia kids that Tech and Virginia once had a lock on and have the talent rich Florida.

 

Rutgers has just as much or more history as a lot of the Big Ten teams and both they and UConn went to a bowl game last year. NJ has a huge talent base and if you have read the rivals.com at all Rutgers is now in with many Jersey kids if not most. I admit you're stadiums are much bigger, Michigan, Penn State and Ohio State than ours but in time your going to see something special out of this conference. People also thought the BE was crazy for taking a small school with no history called VTech too and look at them now.

 

Untapped east coast market? Rutgers has as much history as a lot of Big Ten teams? There isn't much talent out here. Dilution from others sports is huge. The east hasn't competed in football for a very long time for a very good reason. Outside of PA, there is nothing to contend with the southeast, midwest or west coast.

 

Jersey always has top prospects and as does Mass. NY always has some top guys, not the numbers as Ohio, Florida or California but some good recruits.

[hawkeyecub]

Anyways, back to the original topic. SportsCenter has been doing this simulated season thing for the last week and a half which was a pretty cool idea. For those who didn't see it, they started with their pre-season rankings and then went through and picked out which games teams would lose and update the rankings each time.

At the end of the year the top 10 went into a 10-team playoff with the bottom four teams playing their way into the quarterfinals. ND beat West Virginia and Louisville beat Miami.

The quarterfinals were Texas vs. ND, Ohio State vs. FSU, Auburn vs. Iowa, Louisville vs. USC. They had Texas, OSU, Iowa and USC winning and advancing to the final four.

 

Tonight they do the semifinals and tomorrow is the championship. Mark May has been big on Iowa the whole time and picked them to go 12-0, but Davis and Blackledge had them losing close games to OSU and Michigan.

[Derwood]

Because those numbers don't mean much, especially in predicting the future. Where's the track record? What kind of history do most of those programs have? Pitt and Syracuse have arguably the best, but they're led by incompetent head coaches.

What history do Cincy and UCONN have? Rutgers? South Florida? Nothing. People go with tradition in college football, because that's the way it is for the most part. Teams in power conferences can turn things around, but for multiple teams with no tradition or history to become a power isn't likely.

 

You say recruiting will get better without a doubt. Why? I don't see any reason for that. It won't get better unless the teams win. They've already had that "We're moving to the hot, new Big East" angle to sell for the last 2-3 years. That stuff always works at first (see most new college basketball and football coaches) but wears off if you don't win.

 

The area itself is conducive to making this conference better. If kids want to play where their families can see them most of the time they can stay here in the untapped East. We are now starting to get those Virginia kids that Tech and Virginia once had a lock on and have the talent rich Florida.

 

Rutgers has just as much or more history as a lot of the Big Ten teams and both they and UConn went to a bowl game last year. NJ has a huge talent base and if you have read the rivals.com at all Rutgers is now in with many Jersey kids if not most. I admit you're stadiums are much bigger, Michigan, Penn State and Ohio State than ours but in time your going to see something special out of this conference. People also thought the BE was crazy for taking a small school with no history called VTech too and look at them now.

 

Untapped east coast market? Rutgers has as much history as a lot of Big Ten teams? There isn't much talent out here. Dilution from others sports is huge. The east hasn't competed in football for a very long time for a very good reason. Outside of PA, there is nothing to contend with the southeast, midwest or west coast.

 

Jersey always has top prospects and as does Mass. NY always has some top guys, not the numbers as Ohio, Florida or California but some good recruits.

 

JoePa owns Jersey recruiting

[goonys evil twin]

Because those numbers don't mean much, especially in predicting the future. Where's the track record? What kind of history do most of those programs have? Pitt and Syracuse have arguably the best, but they're led by incompetent head coaches.

What history do Cincy and UCONN have? Rutgers? South Florida? Nothing. People go with tradition in college football, because that's the way it is for the most part. Teams in power conferences can turn things around, but for multiple teams with no tradition or history to become a power isn't likely.

 

You say recruiting will get better without a doubt. Why? I don't see any reason for that. It won't get better unless the teams win. They've already had that "We're moving to the hot, new Big East" angle to sell for the last 2-3 years. That stuff always works at first (see most new college basketball and football coaches) but wears off if you don't win.

 

The area itself is conducive to making this conference better. If kids want to play where their families can see them most of the time they can stay here in the untapped East. We are now starting to get those Virginia kids that Tech and Virginia once had a lock on and have the talent rich Florida.

 

Rutgers has just as much or more history as a lot of the Big Ten teams and both they and UConn went to a bowl game last year. NJ has a huge talent base and if you have read the rivals.com at all Rutgers is now in with many Jersey kids if not most. I admit you're stadiums are much bigger, Michigan, Penn State and Ohio State than ours but in time your going to see something special out of this conference. People also thought the BE was crazy for taking a small school with no history called VTech too and look at them now.

 

Untapped east coast market? Rutgers has as much history as a lot of Big Ten teams? There isn't much talent out here. Dilution from others sports is huge. The east hasn't competed in football for a very long time for a very good reason. Outside of PA, there is nothing to contend with the southeast, midwest or west coast.

 

Jersey always has top prospects and as does Mass. NY always has some top guys, not the numbers as Ohio, Florida or California but some good recruits.

 

JoePa owns Jersey recruiting

 

And Iowa gets the leftovers. Going back to at least the Hayden Fry era, they've had a handful of Jersey guys on the team every year. I always found that an odd fit.

 

Anyway, I'm not saying they don't have any players there. They just are not anywhere close to an untapped market.

[CuseCubFan69]

Anyways, back to the original topic. SportsCenter has been doing this simulated season thing for the last week and a half which was a pretty cool idea. For those who didn't see it, they started with their pre-season rankings and then went through and picked out which games teams would lose and update the rankings each time.

At the end of the year the top 10 went into a 10-team playoff with the bottom four teams playing their way into the quarterfinals. ND beat West Virginia and Louisville beat Miami.

The quarterfinals were Texas vs. ND, Ohio State vs. FSU, Auburn vs. Iowa, Louisville vs. USC. They had Texas, OSU, Iowa and USC winning and advancing to the final four.

 

Tonight they do the semifinals and tomorrow is the championship. Mark May has been big on Iowa the whole time and picked them to go 12-0, but Davis and Blackledge had them losing close games to OSU and Michigan.

 

For a "crappy" conference I see 2 pretty good Big East teams there.

[hawkeyecub]

They do have two very good teams. It's after those two teams where they can't compete with the Big 10, SEC, ACC, Pac-10. Plus one of the biggest reasons people give for picking WVU and Louisville so high is their weak schedules. West Virginia especially.

[Andy]

Considering the first games are on Thursday, it's just about time for Derwood's weekly threads to start up, eh?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

And Iowa gets the leftovers. Going back to at least the Hayden Fry era, they've had a handful of Jersey guys on the team every year. I always found that an odd fit.

 

Anyway, I'm not saying they don't have any players there. They just are not anywhere close to an untapped market.

 

You beat me to it. If my count is correct, Iowa has 7 from NJ on this year's roster.

[SouthSideRyan]

Took U of I -30 against Eastern tonight. Thoughts?

[Jon]

From a rather long article about Troy Smith and Ohio State:

Smith’s e-mail address, for instance, is listed publicly with those of Ohio State’s 50,000 other students, few of whom are candidates for the Heisman Trophy. During the season, his in-box fills up with messages from women offering revealing portraits of themselves or, more subtly, parents offering him dates with their daughters.

[SouthSideRyan]

From a rather long article about Troy Smith and Ohio State:

Smith’s e-mail address, for instance, is listed publicly with those of Ohio State’s 50,000 other students, few of whom are candidates for the Heisman Trophy. During the season, his in-box fills up with messages from women offering revealing portraits of themselves or, more subtly, parents offering him dates with their daughters.

 

College girls are whores for athletes?? Shocking.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

From a rather long article about Troy Smith and Ohio State:

Smith’s e-mail address, for instance, is listed publicly with those of Ohio State’s 50,000 other students, few of whom are candidates for the Heisman Trophy. During the season, his in-box fills up with messages from women offering revealing portraits of themselves or, more subtly, parents offering him dates with their daughters.

 

College girls are whores for athletes?? Shocking.

 

I love the parents bit.