Preseason NCAA Coaches Poll

[Soul]

I had no idea OSU was going to be ranked #1. Guess I'm out of touch.

 

I'm having a hard time believing Texas will be able to maintain it's dominance without Vince Young. Having that ace in the hole all year helped them immensely, including in the title game when Vince basically loaded up all of Texas on his shoulders and carried them to the title.

[Andy]

then an overzealous ND hater makes a smartass comment about money or not being in a conference or having an easy road to the BCS or a national TV deal etc. which then forces us to defend them (you wouldn't let someone make a negative statement you disagreed with about the Cardinals, would you?)

It's a daily occurence on this board and in life (I live in Illinois after all).

 

Except I recognize the disconnect between sports and life, so I am able to either brush it off, respond blandly, or further stoke the fire by speaking my mind with the consequences well in mind (consequences being a mind-numbingly dumb argument that proceeds).

 

I've got no problem with Notre Dame per say, I just think it's funny when ND fans don't understand why people don't like them. You understand why people don't like the Yankees don't you? Duke basketball? Same reasons.

Oh I know why people don't like them. It just seems that the fact that people don't like them is brought up quite a lot on here, much more so than any dislike of the Yanks or Duke (although I guess most of that could be attributed to the fact that there aren't m/any of those fans on this board).

[Butterscup1679666578]

Haha, Mike Hall (MU Grad) just introduced kU as the beakers during the Big XII preview on ESPNU.

 

Awesome.

[soccer10k]

I had no idea OSU was going to be ranked #1. Guess I'm out of touch.

 

I'm having a hard time believing Texas will be able to maintain it's dominance without Vince Young. Having that ace in the hole all year helped them immensely, including in the title game when Vince basically loaded up all of Texas on his shoulders and carried them to the title.

 

Texas is returning 16 starters this year and, while they do lose Vince Young, they do have a very good team this year. With Bomar getting kicked out of Oklahoma there isn't much competition in the Big 12 for Texas this year. Their only real tough game is against Ohio State and that will be at home. If they win that game, they very easily could run the table and find themselves in the BCS Title game. Even if they do lose to Ohio State, they should still finish with just 1 loss and win the Big 12 again.

[Andy]

The AP poll.

 

1. Ohio State

2. ND

3. Texas

4. Auburn

5. West Virginia

6. USC

7. Florida

8. LSU

9. Cal

10. Oklahoma

[illiniguy]

The AP poll.

 

1. Ohio State

2. ND

3. Texas

4. Auburn

5. West Virginia

6. USC

7. Florida

8. LSU

9. Cal

10. Oklahoma

How can Ou still be ranked that high?

[imb]

The AP poll.

 

1. Ohio State

2. ND

3. Texas

4. Auburn

5. West Virginia

6. USC

7. Florida

8. LSU

9. Cal

10. Oklahoma

How can Ou still be ranked that high?

 

Bad ass defense, best running back in the nation and a stable of talented receivers?

 

Look, Bomar had talent, and surely would have had a nice season, but last year he only tossed 10 TDs to go with his 10 picks. And we still beat Oregon in the Holiday bowl, and without that phantom loss in Texas Tech, we would have been 9-3. All that with the toughest schedule in the nation.

 

If it were up to me, OU would be between 15-20 in the polls, but you know how pollsters do. There isn't a legit number one team in the nation at this stage of the year, so the polls are going to be kind of wonky for awhile.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

The AP poll.

 

1. Ohio State

2. ND

3. Texas

4. Auburn

5. West Virginia

6. USC

7. Florida

8. LSU

9. Cal

10. Oklahoma

How can Ou still be ranked that high?

 

They had more than just a QB.

[soccer10k]

The AP poll.

 

1. Ohio State

2. ND

3. Texas

4. Auburn

5. West Virginia

6. USC

7. Florida

8. LSU

9. Cal

10. Oklahoma

How can Ou still be ranked that high?

 

Bad ass defense, best running back in the nation and a stable of talented receivers?

 

Look, Bomar had talent, and surely would have had a nice season, but last year he only tossed 10 TDs to go with his 10 picks. And we still beat Oregon in the Holiday bowl, and without that phantom loss in Texas Tech, we would have been 9-3. All that with the toughest schedule in the nation.

 

If it were up to me, OU would be between 15-20 in the polls, but you know how pollsters do. There isn't a legit number one team in the nation at this stage of the year, so the polls are going to be kind of wonky for awhile.

 

Last year or this year? I don't think it matters because they play in the Big 12 which doesn't have much after Texas and OU anyway.

[shnsajax]

I had no idea OSU was going to be ranked #1. Guess I'm out of touch.

 

I'm having a hard time believing Texas will be able to maintain it's dominance without Vince Young. Having that ace in the hole all year helped them immensely, including in the title game when Vince basically loaded up all of Texas on his shoulders and carried them to the title.

 

Texas is returning 16 starters this year and, while they do lose Vince Young, they do have a very good team this year. With Bomar getting kicked out of Oklahoma there isn't much competition in the Big 12 for Texas this year. Their only real tough game is against Ohio State and that will be at home. If they win that game, they very easily could run the table and find themselves in the BCS Title game. Even if they do lose to Ohio State, they should still finish with just 1 loss and win the Big 12 again.

 

The Texas defense and running game and recievers will all be better this year. If Vince Young was back, they would be a unanimous #1 team in the nation and one of the biggest preseason favorites ever. Vince Young was one of the greatest "winners" in college sports history, and you don't just replace that very easily. I think you are going to see a lot of similarites betwen Colt McCoy and Major Applewhite, the only thing is he has a true freshman who could very easily be starting over him.

 

I think it is very possible that QB is not much of a question for Texas. Should that be the case, their is no reason Texas will not be defending its National Championship.

[soccer10k]

I had no idea OSU was going to be ranked #1. Guess I'm out of touch.

 

I'm having a hard time believing Texas will be able to maintain it's dominance without Vince Young. Having that ace in the hole all year helped them immensely, including in the title game when Vince basically loaded up all of Texas on his shoulders and carried them to the title.

 

Texas is returning 16 starters this year and, while they do lose Vince Young, they do have a very good team this year. With Bomar getting kicked out of Oklahoma there isn't much competition in the Big 12 for Texas this year. Their only real tough game is against Ohio State and that will be at home. If they win that game, they very easily could run the table and find themselves in the BCS Title game. Even if they do lose to Ohio State, they should still finish with just 1 loss and win the Big 12 again.

 

The Texas defense and running game and recievers will all be better this year. If Vince Young was back, they would be a unanimous #1 team in the nation and one of the biggest preseason favorites ever. Vince Young was one of the greatest "winners" in college sports history, and you don't just replace that very easily. I think you are going to see a lot of similarites betwen Colt McCoy and Major Applewhite, the only thing is he has a true freshman who could very easily be starting over him.

 

I think it is very possible that QB is not much of a question for Texas. Should that be the case, their is no reason Texas will not be defending its National Championship.

 

The only thing I worry about for Texas is the game against Ohio State is early in the season so neither quarterback will be tested in real game situations at the college level. Not only that but Texas will have a different offense this year because they tailored that offense to Vince Young's abilities. If it was later in the season and the quarterbacks had a little more experience then I might change my tune. I think Ohio State will pull it out but it should be a close, entertaining game and I wouldn't be surprised to see Texas emerge victorious.

 

I will say that I believe the winner of the Ohio State-Texas game will be playing in the National Championship game on January 8.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Sam Keller quits the team at ASU. :shock:

[soccer10k]

Sam Keller quits the team at ASU. :shock:

 

This was expected.

[wastra]

How is the Big East a BCS conference?

 

There are two decent teams and a load of utter manure. Both the decent teams are heartily overrated.

[Derwood]

How is the Big East a BCS conference?

 

There are two decent teams and a load of utter manure. Both the decent teams are heartily overrated.

 

Well, they used to have Miami, Boston College, etc. The good teams jumped the ship, but you can't punish the conference for the state of the teams now. What happens if you kick them out of the BCS, and then in 2 or 3 years they have 3 teams in the Top 10?

[CuseCubFan69]

How is the Big East a BCS conference?

 

There are two decent teams and a load of utter manure. Both the decent teams are heartily overrated.

 

People used to say that about the Big 10 with just Michigan and Ohio State. Once they added Penn State the dynamic changed.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

How is the Big East a BCS conference?

 

There are two decent teams and a load of utter manure. Both the decent teams are heartily overrated.

 

People used to say that about the Big 10 with just Michigan and Ohio State. Once they added Penn State the dynamic changed.

 

That's not entirely true. Michigan and OSU were the cream of the crop, several more were consistently solid. Northwestern just plain sucked.

[CuseCubFan69]

How is the Big East a BCS conference?

 

There are two decent teams and a load of utter manure. Both the decent teams are heartily overrated.

 

People used to say that about the Big 10 with just Michigan and Ohio State. Once they added Penn State the dynamic changed.

 

That's not entirely true. Michigan and OSU were the cream of the crop, several more were consistently solid. Northwestern just plain sucked.

 

Who? Michigan St and Purdue were just 500 type teams and once in blue moon one of the other teams would have a good year. Northwestern was always horrible.

 

I don't think the BE is that great of a conference but they only have 8 teams not 11 or 12 like every other power conference. If we actually got out of the basketball thing and added 4 teams I think it would be just as good or better than any in the country.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

How is the Big East a BCS conference?

 

There are two decent teams and a load of utter manure. Both the decent teams are heartily overrated.

 

People used to say that about the Big 10 with just Michigan and Ohio State. Once they added Penn State the dynamic changed.

 

That's not entirely true. Michigan and OSU were the cream of the crop, several more were consistently solid. Northwestern just plain sucked.

 

Who? Michigan St and Purdue were just 500 type teams and once in blue moon one of the other teams would have a good year. Northwestern was always horrible.

 

I don't think the BE is that great of a conference but they only have 8 teams not 11 or 12 like every other power conference. If we actually got out of the basketball thing and added 4 teams I think it would be just as good or better than any in the country.

 

That depends on how far you want to go back, I guess. Before PSU joined, Iowa was also a team that was regulary ranked (peaked at #1) and a bowl team consistently throughout the 80s. MSU had some really good teams, Illinois put together a few good seasons, and even Indiana had a few winning records.

[CuseCubFan69]

How is the Big East a BCS conference?

 

There are two decent teams and a load of utter manure. Both the decent teams are heartily overrated.

 

People used to say that about the Big 10 with just Michigan and Ohio State. Once they added Penn State the dynamic changed.

 

That's not entirely true. Michigan and OSU were the cream of the crop, several more were consistently solid. Northwestern just plain sucked.

 

Who? Michigan St and Purdue were just 500 type teams and once in blue moon one of the other teams would have a good year. Northwestern was always horrible.

 

I don't think the BE is that great of a conference but they only have 8 teams not 11 or 12 like every other power conference. If we actually got out of the basketball thing and added 4 teams I think it would be just as good or better than any in the country.

 

That depends on how far you want to go back, I guess. Before PSU joined, Iowa was also a team that was regulary ranked (peaked at #1) and a bowl team consistently throughout the 80s. MSU had some really good teams, Illinois put together a few good seasons, and even Indiana had a few winning records.

 

Heck, even Temple had good teams back then!

 

I think it'll take a few years before this new BE takes shape but it will be very competitive and 1-8 as strong as any in the country. We're now in Ohio, Florida (again) and Kentucky and that will give us a very nice base to recruit from.

[goonys evil twin]

I think it'll take a few years before this new BE takes shape but it will be very competitive and 1-8 as strong as any in the country.

 

Just because you say that doens't means it's true.

[CuseCubFan69]

I think it'll take a few years before this new BE takes shape but it will be very competitive and 1-8 as strong as any in the country.

 

Just because you say that doens't means it's true.

 

Yes it does stat geek...look at the numbers and not your gut feelings!

[hawkeyecub]

How is the Big East a BCS conference?

 

There are two decent teams and a load of utter manure. Both the decent teams are heartily overrated.

 

People used to say that about the Big 10 with just Michigan and Ohio State. Once they added Penn State the dynamic changed.

 

That's not entirely true. Michigan and OSU were the cream of the crop, several more were consistently solid. Northwestern just plain sucked.

 

Who? Michigan St and Purdue were just 500 type teams and once in blue moon one of the other teams would have a good year. Northwestern was always horrible.

 

I don't think the BE is that great of a conference but they only have 8 teams not 11 or 12 like every other power conference. If we actually got out of the basketball thing and added 4 teams I think it would be just as good or better than any in the country.

 

Purdue wasn't up there during that time, but Iowa was while Illinois and MSU had some strong teams. Since Hayden arrived, Iowa has the 3rd best record in the Big Ten. Iowa went to 3 Rose Bowls from '82-'91. Illinois and Michigan State also got there once in that stretch, so for that decade, OSU and UM only made it half the time. Obviously they were and always have been the strength, but it wasn't like the '70's where it was one of those two every year. Then in the '90's you had Wisconsin making it 3 times, Northwestern once, Iowa once and Purdue in 2000.

 

Then Wisconsin made it two years after Iowa's last appearance, the same season PSU joined the Big Ten. There was more balance in the league during the 80's and early '90's, even before PSU joined. Incidentally Hayden Fry is often credited with changing things in the Big Ten.

In the 80's one of the big two made it half the time and it was the same in the '90's.

 

The Big East won't be "as good as any conference" for a long, long time.

[CuseCubFan69]

How is the Big East a BCS conference?

 

There are two decent teams and a load of utter manure. Both the decent teams are heartily overrated.

 

People used to say that about the Big 10 with just Michigan and Ohio State. Once they added Penn State the dynamic changed.

 

That's not entirely true. Michigan and OSU were the cream of the crop, several more were consistently solid. Northwestern just plain sucked.

 

Who? Michigan St and Purdue were just 500 type teams and once in blue moon one of the other teams would have a good year. Northwestern was always horrible.

 

I don't think the BE is that great of a conference but they only have 8 teams not 11 or 12 like every other power conference. If we actually got out of the basketball thing and added 4 teams I think it would be just as good or better than any in the country.

 

Purdue wasn't up there during that time, but Iowa was while Illinois and MSU had some strong teams. Since Hayden arrived, Iowa has the 3rd best record in the Big Ten. Iowa went to 3 Rose Bowls from '82-'91. Illinois and Michigan State also got there once in that stretch, so for that decade, OSU and UM only made it half the time. Obviously they were and always have been the strength, but it wasn't like the '70's where it was one of those two every year. Then in the '90's you had Wisconsin making it 3 times, Northwestern once, Iowa once and Purdue in 2000.

 

Then Wisconsin made it two years after Iowa's last appearance, the same season PSU joined the Big Ten. There was more balance in the league during the 80's and early '90's, even before PSU joined. Incidentally Hayden Fry is often credited with changing things in the Big Ten.

In the 80's one of the big two made it half the time and it was the same in the '90's.

 

The Big East won't be "as good as any conference" for a long, long time.

 

Why? It was our first year and half the teams qualified for bowl games and one one a BCS game. Add to that the teams were all young and the recruiting will get better without a doubt.

 

It's funny. When it comes to the numbers people like them in baseball but go with tradition in College Football.

[jjgman21]

re Big Ten dominance, the UM/OSU lock began to come to an end in the early/mid 80's.

 

all the proof you need really

 

http://www.tournamentofroses.com/history/gamescores.asp

 

they're still the cream of the crop year after year, but between 1982 and the beginning of Rose Bowl selection by BCS (2001?), about 20 or so Rose Bowls, non UM/OSU teams were the representatives for 11 of those Rose Bowls. in fact, a legit argument can be made that Wisconsin was the dominant Big Ten team of the 90's, or at least more dominant that OSU, having won the conference and Rose Bowl three times.