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I would probably have to agree with the Soriano talk, with the only big reason is that their stats have not been far enough apart to spend the prospects on Jones-if we sign Soriano, we could spin those players off for another impact bat. That doesn't mean that I oppose getting Jones altogther though-he's still a very good ballplayer that would be worth it.

 

You mean someone like Andruw Jones? :wink:

 

Andruw is just as much of an impact player as Soriano ever was. Andruw's career OPS+ is 116 to Soriano's 111, and Andruw's puts up his numbers more consistently (last 3 years were 121, 113, 133 vs Soriano's 128, 98, 110). Andruw gets on base a whole lot more, and SLG is about a wash. I never fully supported the idea of getting Soriano, but this team needs a lot of offense. I wouldn't mind seeing both of them added for next season.

 

Considering all players in a deal must clear waivers, getting him now makes more sense because the cost would probably be a lot lower than in the offseason. The Cubs wouldn't be able to move any top prospects like Pie, Marshall, etc. right now -- somebody like Pittsburgh would surely make claims on them.

 

Well, that is certainly a great option. I wasn't trying to say that I perfer Soriano over Jones if they both came with the same cost, but if I could only have one, I'd take Soriano only because I could keep the prospects. If we have enough payroll to get both, then that would be wonderful-Jones is a great ballplayer. I just wasn't sure that their two huge salaries could both be combined on the team.

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I would probably have to agree with the Soriano talk, with the only big reason is that their stats have not been far enough apart to spend the prospects on Jones-if we sign Soriano, we could spin those players off for another impact bat. That doesn't mean that I oppose getting Jones altogther though-he's still a very good ballplayer that would be worth it.

 

You mean someone like Andruw Jones? :wink:

 

Andruw is just as much of an impact player as Soriano ever was. Andruw's career OPS+ is 116 to Soriano's 111, and Andruw's puts up his numbers more consistently (last 3 years were 121, 113, 133 vs Soriano's 128, 98, 110). Andruw gets on base a whole lot more, and SLG is about a wash. I never fully supported the idea of getting Soriano, but this team needs a lot of offense. I wouldn't mind seeing both of them added for next season.

 

Considering all players in a deal must clear waivers, getting him now makes more sense because the cost would probably be a lot lower than in the offseason. The Cubs wouldn't be able to move any top prospects like Pie, Marshall, etc. right now -- somebody like Pittsburgh would surely make claims on them.

 

Well, that is certainly a great option. I wasn't trying to say that I perfer Soriano over Jones if they both came with the same cost, but if I could only have one, I'd take Soriano only because I could keep the prospects. If we have enough payroll to get both, then that would be wonderful-Jones is a great ballplayer. I just wasn't sure that their two huge salaries could both be combined on the team.

 

I suspect we could afford two of Soriano, Jones and Lee but it would kill our chances of adding a frontline starting pitcher (Zito, Schmidt, etc). Just a matter of deciding what is more important. Lee, Andruw, and Jacque would look awesome in the outfield though. 8)

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The Giants are probably not going to resign Bonds which will free up a ton of money. They are going to be big players in the off-season for outfield talent. The bidding wars for Soriano and Lee this winter could be outrageous.

 

If we can lock up Jones prior to the off-season at 13.5in 2007 I'm all for it. The bidding wars for Soriano and Lee this winter could be outrageous.

 

Acquiring Andruw would put us in a much better bargaining position with Pierre as well.

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The Giants are probably not going to resign Bonds which will free up a ton of money. They are going to be big players in the off-season for outfield talent. The bidding wars for Soriano and Lee this winter could be outrageous.

 

If we can lock up Jones prior to the off-season at 13.5in 2007 I'm all for it. The bidding wars for Soriano and Lee this winter could be outrageous.

 

Acquiring Andruw would put us in a much better bargaining position with Pierre as well.

 

I was wondering...how would you describe the bidding wars this winter for Soriano and Lee?

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TT had a post a couple weeks ago that showed a metric depicting AJones in the bottom 4(?) I believe of Center Fielders. It said Pierre has been a better CF this year.

 

It was probably Dial's ratings, Jones was like -14/150 on that metric thus far this season. It's still quite early, but for what it's worth Jones' UZR was +9/150 through the same timeframe.

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I can't believe he's only 29. He's been in the league so long, I thought he might be older than Julio Franco.

I knew he wasn't very old because I remember him being 19 and being the youngest player to go deep in the Series back in 1996. But it does seem like he has been around forever.

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In theory, couldn't the Cubs give the Braves players to be named later? And later being in the offseason so they wouldn't have to worry about the waiver thing?
I don't think so. I believe that there is a rule that a PTBNL cannot be a player at the major league level that plays against the team he would later be traded to, and the Cubs still play the Braves this year. I remember some discussion about this a few years ago when speculating who would be the PTBNL going to Pittsburgh in the Ramirez trade (eventually turned out to be Bobby Hill).
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It would be incredible to get Andruw Jones if the talent going back was minimal. The team should be able to absorb that salary, and it's only for another year anyway.
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In theory, couldn't the Cubs give the Braves players to be named later? And later being in the offseason so they wouldn't have to worry about the waiver thing?

 

I guess this answers your question. Yes, it could be a PTBNL.

 

I think the reason they wait for the PTBNL is that those same players have to go through waivers so I am sure the Braves would pick a few players and whomever gets through waivers would head to the Braves.

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So, fantasy world, the Cubs get Jones, they can then possibly afford Murton porudction in LF and they are smart and get a platoon partner for Jones. They also trade Izturis/Cedeno and play Fontenot at 2B.

 

Murton

Fontenot

Lee

Jones

ARam

Jones/platoon partner

Barrett

Zambrano

Cesar Cedeno

 

Not bad.

 

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Jones has been claimed. Team unknown.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2539544

 

Braves must either trade him to the awarded team or pull him off waivers by saturday.

 

I would give lots of credit to Hendry's imagination if he pulled this off.

 

Acquiring Andruw would be good protection if Aramis does indeed walk away.

 

And makes the team far more formidable going into next year if Aramis stays.

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So, fantasy world, the Cubs get Jones, they can then possibly afford Murton porudction in LF and they are smart and get a platoon partner for Jones. They also trade Izturis/Cedeno and play Fontenot at 2B.

 

Murton

Fontenot

Lee

Jones

ARam

Jones/platoon partner

Barrett

Zambrano

Cesar Cedeno

 

Not bad.

 

 

my guess is that Pierre would be playing LF for the Cubs next year. They fairly intent on signing him. It is interesting that Fontenot isn't on the 40-man roster yet and that the Cubs haven't replaced the open spot(s) on that roster.

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And makes the team far more formidable going into next year if Aramis stays.

 

Yes indeed!

 

He'd fall into the Cubs wants as far as having a HR bat along with playing good defense.

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So, fantasy world, the Cubs get Jones, they can then possibly afford Murton porudction in LF and they are smart and get a platoon partner for Jones. They also trade Izturis/Cedeno and play Fontenot at 2B.

 

Murton

Fontenot

Lee

Jones

ARam

Jones/platoon partner

Barrett

Zambrano

Cesar Cedeno

 

Not bad.

 

 

my guess is that Pierre would be playing LF for the Cubs next year. They fairly intent on signing him. It is interesting that Fontenot isn't on the 40-man roster yet and that the Cubs haven't replaced the open spot(s) on that roster.

 

This is why I fantasize.

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So, fantasy world, the Cubs get Jones, they can then possibly afford Murton porudction in LF and they are smart and get a platoon partner for Jones. They also trade Izturis/Cedeno and play Fontenot at 2B.

 

Murton

Fontenot

Lee

Jones

ARam

Jones/platoon partner

Barrett

Zambrano

Cesar Cedeno

 

Not bad.

 

 

my guess is that Pierre would be playing LF for the Cubs next year. They fairly intent on signing him. It is interesting that Fontenot isn't on the 40-man roster yet and that the Cubs haven't replaced the open spot(s) on that roster.

 

Unless they put Pierre in the A. Jones deal. But there I go dreaming.

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