RUMOR: Ramirez to Anaheim if...

[A New Era]

 

We're gonna have way, way more money if we move Aram than in the last offseason.

 

Which means nothing. There are 2 decent offensive players available this winter. There are 2 decent FA pitchers. NY is going to need a pitcher. LA is going to need one. Soriano and Lee are going to be wildly overvalued in that market. There is ZERO guarantee we'd be able to sign one of Zito, Schmidt, Lee or Soriano, and even if we did, niether of Lee or Soriano are better than Ramirez. Zito is okay. Schmidt is so-so, and is an injury risk. And if you were going to overpay one just to make sure you got one, why not overpay to guarantee you keep Ramirez, who's again, better than Lee and Soriano are?

 

Ever heard of trades? Those happen in the off-season as well. IMO I would be happy with this trade. We need good SP NOW!! Add santana to Zambrano, Prior, Marshall, and Marmol and things are looking better. JH is pretty good at trades. And TRADES is the way I think Jim can redeem himself and really improve this team for next year.

[CubColtPacer]

Question about Aybar: do you think his SB percentage would go up if he tried less? For example: 2004: 51 steals, 36 times caught

2005: 49 steals, 23 caught at a higher level

I think that is he only attempted 30-40 a year, he might be able to increase his percentage significantly-but he was stealing so much in 2004 that teams were completely prepared for it. What do people think?

[CubinNY]

According to XM 175 as of now Tejada WILL NOT agree to play 3rd. That could change with extra money though.

[USSoccer]

 

We're gonna have way, way more money if we move Aram than in the last offseason.

 

Which means nothing. There are 2 decent offensive players available this winter. There are 2 decent FA pitchers. NY is going to need a pitcher. LA is going to need one. Soriano and Lee are going to be wildly overvalued in that market. There is ZERO guarantee we'd be able to sign one of Zito, Schmidt, Lee or Soriano, and even if we did, niether of Lee or Soriano are better than Ramirez. Zito is okay. Schmidt is so-so, and is an injury risk. And if you were going to overpay one just to make sure you got one, why not overpay to guarantee you keep Ramirez, who's again, better than Lee and Soriano are?

 

Ever heard of trades? Those happen in the off-season as well. IMO I would be happy with this trade. We need good SP NOW!! Add santana to Zambrano, Prior, Marshall, and Marmol and things are looking better. JH is pretty good at trades. And TRADES is the way I think Jim can redeem himself and really improve this team for next year.

 

Yes, I have heard of trades. And looking at Hendry's track record, the best deals he's made we're absorbing salaries of players who's teams didn't want them anymore. And the last decent trade he made was in 2004. And he has very little top quality with which to deal. And thanks to the overpayment for Pierre, we have less depth with which to deal from.

 

So yes, I've heard of trades, and I'm not optimistic that our GM has the ability to do anything of note this winter.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Question about Aybar: do you think his SB percentage would go up if he tried less? For example: 2004: 51 steals, 36 times caught

2005: 49 steals, 23 caught at a higher level

I think that is he only attempted 30-40 a year, he might be able to increase his percentage significantly-but he was stealing so much in 2004 that teams were completely prepared for it. What do people think?

 

The SB% doesn't concern me as much as others because I'm not a big advocate of the SB(similar situation with Pie). What I like is that AYbar(and Pie) is plenty fast to take extra bases on batted balls, as well as be capable of the threat in certain situations, even though he may be unrefined technically.

[sporrer17]

Ramirez and Rich Hill for Aybar, Santana, and McPherson.

 

Maddux and a mid-level prospect for Andre Ethier/Andy LaRoche.

 

There you can get a solid SS (move Aybar/Cedeno to 2b), a #2/3 starter, a LH hitting 3b who's fairly young and has some pop...and then hopefully Ethier for the OF to add some offense in LF.

 

Pierre

Ethier

Barrett

Lee

Jones

McPherson

Aybar

Cedeno

 

At least it's an exciting team. If you get LaRoche in the deal, you could turn around and offer a package around him for a proven slugger in either LF or 3b. Maybe go after Aubrey Huff at 3b? The point is, it opens up a world of possibilities that don't exist unless we start some wheeling and dealing. You could even sign Carlos Lee and deal Jacque Jones (or put him in CF) for some pitching help.

[CubsWin]

I realize he is pitching in the AL, but Ervin's numbers aren't exactly impressive. As the centerpiece in a deal for a player like Tejada or Aramis, I can understand why the other teams aren't jumping at it. He is still just 23, so he can/will improve, but by that measure so should Jerome Williams.

[baseball7897]

Im all for Ervin Santana pitching with the Cubs. I see him pitch reguarly, and to think Hendry could land this guy truly amazes me.

[A New Era]

 

We're gonna have way, way more money if we move Aram than in the last offseason.

 

Which means nothing. There are 2 decent offensive players available this winter. There are 2 decent FA pitchers. NY is going to need a pitcher. LA is going to need one. Soriano and Lee are going to be wildly overvalued in that market. There is ZERO guarantee we'd be able to sign one of Zito, Schmidt, Lee or Soriano, and even if we did, niether of Lee or Soriano are better than Ramirez. Zito is okay. Schmidt is so-so, and is an injury risk. And if you were going to overpay one just to make sure you got one, why not overpay to guarantee you keep Ramirez, who's again, better than Lee and Soriano are?

 

Ever heard of trades? Those happen in the off-season as well. IMO I would be happy with this trade. We need good SP NOW!! Add santana to Zambrano, Prior, Marshall, and Marmol and things are looking better. JH is pretty good at trades. And TRADES is the way I think Jim can redeem himself and really improve this team for next year.

 

Yes, I have heard of trades. And looking at Hendry's track record, the best deals he's made we're absorbing salaries of players who's teams didn't want them anymore. And the last decent trade he made was in 2004. And he has very little top quality with which to deal. And thanks to the overpayment for Pierre, we have less depth with which to deal from.

 

So yes, I've heard of trades, and I'm not optimistic that our GM has the ability to do anything of note this winter.

 

Well I still have alittle. If the maddux and ramirez trade rumors come to fruition, that IMO is a step in the right direction to fixing the cubs. I'm giving hendry this trade deadline and this offseason to get the Cubs competitive for '07. If he fails. He's lost all respect from me. But the players in the trade rumors are very good players I would love to see on the cubs.

[CubsWin]

Ramirez and Rich Hill for Aybar, Santana, and McPherson.

 

Maddux and a mid-level prospect for Andre Ethier/Andy LaRoche.

 

There you can get a solid SS (move Aybar/Cedeno to 2b), a #2/3 starter, a LH hitting 3b who's fairly young and has some pop...and then hopefully Ethier for the OF to add some offense in LF.

 

Pierre

Ethier

Barrett

Lee

Jones

McPherson

Aybar

Cedeno

 

At least it's an exciting team. If you get LaRoche in the deal, you could turn around and offer a package around him for a proven slugger in either LF or 3b. Maybe go after Aubrey Huff at 3b? The point is, it opens up a world of possibilities that don't exist unless we start some wheeling and dealing. You could even sign Carlos Lee and deal Jacque Jones (or put him in CF) for some pitching help.

I remember reading on the ESPN trade rumor page in a blurb about Morgan Ensberg that Huff isn't likely to stay in Houston and will likely be on the market this fall.

[Rob]

I don't get what all the hype over Adenhart is about. Sure, he posted a sub 2 ERA at Cedar Rapids, but he still had 10 "unearned" runs to his name. That's a pretty big chunk when you've only got 23 earned runs.

 

Kinda scary, that's all. I'm just wondering if he's not a great prospect, but that he just had people with no defensive skills on his team, so that he wasn't held accountable for much of what was his fault.

[NCCubFan]

Ensberg seems to be available from Houston.

Maybe, but his stock has fallen so much he just got sent down to AAA.

[USSoccer]

 

Yes, I have heard of trades. And looking at Hendry's track record, the best deals he's made we're absorbing salaries of players who's teams didn't want them anymore. And the last decent trade he made was in 2004. And he has very little top quality with which to deal. And thanks to the overpayment for Pierre, we have less depth with which to deal from.

 

So yes, I've heard of trades, and I'm not optimistic that our GM has the ability to do anything of note this winter.

 

Well I still have alittle. If the maddux and ramirez trade rumors come to fruition, that IMO is a step in the right direction to fixing the cubs. I'm giving hendry this trade deadline and this offseason to get the Cubs competitive for '07. If he fails. He's lost all respect from me. But the players in the trade rumors are very good players I would love to see on the cubs.

 

I don't think it's a step in the right direction. I think it's a tremendous risk to think our system and coaches can get the best out of any young talent that comes our way.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Ensberg seems to be available from Houston.

Maybe, but his stock has fallen so much he just got sent down to AAA.

 

That's just crazy.

[Mephistopheles]

His ERA/RA really isn't everything. The guy has the stuff and is one of the best pitching prospects in the minors. An ERA in the low fours for a NINETEEN year old in the CALIFORNIA league is impressive.

[CP_414]

 

Yes, I have heard of trades. And looking at Hendry's track record, the best deals he's made we're absorbing salaries of players who's teams didn't want them anymore. And the last decent trade he made was in 2004. And he has very little top quality with which to deal. And thanks to the overpayment for Pierre, we have less depth with which to deal from.

 

So yes, I've heard of trades, and I'm not optimistic that our GM has the ability to do anything of note this winter.

 

Well I still have alittle. If the maddux and ramirez trade rumors come to fruition, that IMO is a step in the right direction to fixing the cubs. I'm giving hendry this trade deadline and this offseason to get the Cubs competitive for '07. If he fails. He's lost all respect from me. But the players in the trade rumors are very good players I would love to see on the cubs.

 

I don't think it's a step in the right direction. I think it's a tremendous risk to think our system and coaches can get the best out of any young talent that comes our way.

 

Hopefully it won't be the same coaches next year.

[Bruno7481]

Ensberg seems to be available from Houston.

Maybe, but his stock has fallen so much he just got sent down to AAA.

 

That's just crazy.

 

He was sent down for a rehab assignment.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Ensberg seems to be available from Houston.

Maybe, but his stock has fallen so much he just got sent down to AAA.

 

That's just crazy.

 

He was sent down for a rehab assignment.

 

That's much less crazy. I can't believe I didn't put that together, I was just looking at his player card and saw he was on the DL.

[Outshined_One]

His ERA/RA really isn't everything. The guy has the stuff and is one of the best pitching prospects in the minors. An ERA in the low fours for a NINETEEN year old in the CALIFORNIA league is impressive.

 

Bingo.

 

He was supposed to be a first rounder coming out of HS, but was waylaid by TJS. Everyone figured he was going to college (UNC I think?), but the Angels nabbed him and threw a boatload of money his way.

 

He's impressive and has a heck of a ceiling. I'd absolutely love to see him in this system.

[A New Era]

 

Yes, I have heard of trades. And looking at Hendry's track record, the best deals he's made we're absorbing salaries of players who's teams didn't want them anymore. And the last decent trade he made was in 2004. And he has very little top quality with which to deal. And thanks to the overpayment for Pierre, we have less depth with which to deal from.

 

So yes, I've heard of trades, and I'm not optimistic that our GM has the ability to do anything of note this winter.

 

Well I still have alittle. If the maddux and ramirez trade rumors come to fruition, that IMO is a step in the right direction to fixing the cubs. I'm giving hendry this trade deadline and this offseason to get the Cubs competitive for '07. If he fails. He's lost all respect from me. But the players in the trade rumors are very good players I would love to see on the cubs.

 

I don't think it's a step in the right direction. I think it's a tremendous risk to think our system and coaches can get the best out of any young talent that comes our way.

 

Hopefully it won't be the same coaches next year.

 

Bingo! Laroche replacing Ramirez at 3B, Santana added to the rotation. And a few prospects. All for 2 players that might not be here next year (with all the opt out talk).

[USSoccer]

 

Yes, I have heard of trades. And looking at Hendry's track record, the best deals he's made we're absorbing salaries of players who's teams didn't want them anymore. And the last decent trade he made was in 2004. And he has very little top quality with which to deal. And thanks to the overpayment for Pierre, we have less depth with which to deal from.

 

So yes, I've heard of trades, and I'm not optimistic that our GM has the ability to do anything of note this winter.

 

Well I still have alittle. If the maddux and ramirez trade rumors come to fruition, that IMO is a step in the right direction to fixing the cubs. I'm giving hendry this trade deadline and this offseason to get the Cubs competitive for '07. If he fails. He's lost all respect from me. But the players in the trade rumors are very good players I would love to see on the cubs.

 

I don't think it's a step in the right direction. I think it's a tremendous risk to think our system and coaches can get the best out of any young talent that comes our way.

 

Hopefully it won't be the same coaches next year.

 

We'll see about the ML level coaches. At this point, I'd not be shicked if they were all back. Will it still be the same minor league coaches and GM?

[NCCubFan]

Ensberg seems to be available from Houston.

Maybe, but his stock has fallen so much he just got sent down to AAA.

 

That's just crazy.

 

He was sent down for a rehab assignment.

I didn't even realize he was on the DL. The source I saw (I believe it was scrolling at the bottom of the screen on ESPN) used the term option, but that was probably just a case of miswording it.

[CubsWin]

I'll be shocked if the Cubs get LaRoche from the Dodgers, but if they do and they can also get Santana and Aybar for Ramirez, I've got to strongly consider making those deals.

[Outshined_One]

I'll take full credit for the LaRoche hype and dreaming around here. He's been on my wish list for awhile now and would be the perfect guy to take over for Ramirez next year (if Rammy opts out or is traded). I've been thinking out loud with him on these boards. :D

 

However, I also know that the odds of it happening are really slim.

 

Ah well, I can dream. :pig:

[ShawonOmeter12]

if hendry really believes that aramis is going to opt out then he needs to deal him asap. i would love to have ervin santana. i cant say much about aybar since i havent seen him play but a 23 year old pitcher who is more then holding his own in the AL sounds way better then waving goodbye to aramis at the end of the year with nothing to show for it.