Angel Pagan

[bhogg]

This guy appears to not be the typical bench guy with speed and a light stick.

 

He "looks" like a good player (if that makes sense).

 

Anyone have any idea what his potential for power, etc is? I just have a good feeling watching this guy play.

[otis89]

He's Carlos Beltran Version 2.0. :lol:

[LuvChicagoSports]

the thing I like about him is that he just seems like a "baseball player" as opposed to the usual toolsy guys the Cubs bring in. I can't exactly put my finger on what it is, but there is something a little different in his makeup. It doesn't mean he'll be good or anything, but it is nice to have a different kind of player on the team. I know saying a baseball player seems like a "baseball player" is [expletive], but there are too many guys in baseball that are more just athletes and not ball players.

[NorthsideAvenger]

This guy appears to not be the typical bench guy with speed and a light stick.

 

He "looks" like a good player (if that makes sense).

 

Anyone have any idea what his potential for power, etc is? I just have a good feeling watching this guy play.

 

I don't know if too many people know who Angel Pagan is, and what was his scouting report is, considering he was with the Mets before this yr.

 

http://www.all-baseball.com/cubreporter/archives/021680.html

[Jon]

Pagan's career minor league numbers: .282/344/.373 with 15 HRs and a 71% SB rate.

 

Last year at AAA: .271/.333/.395 with 8 HRs and a 64% SB rate.

 

Typical Hendry favorite. Can't hit, isn't that good on the base paths, but boy is he fast.

[LuvChicagoSports]

Pagan's career minor league numbers: .271/.344/.373 with 15 HRs and a 71% SB rate.

 

Last year at AAA: .271/.333/.395 with 8 HRs and a 64% SB rate.

 

Typical Hendry favorite. Can't hit, isn't that good on the base paths, but boy is he fast.

 

Yeah the stats definately point to a typical Hendry guy, but watching him play is different. Like I said before it doesn't mean he will be good as he probably won't because let's be realistic what young player is ever good for the Cubs, but I just like watching the way he plays.

[RegulusBlue]

I would be on the BandWGN, but this is yet another speed bump that Murton must overcome in order to become the player that he will be. I'm tired of career bench guys getting in Matt's way.

[NewUserName]

Personnally I wouldnt mind if he played cf against every LHer. Actually I wouldnt mind if he just played CF the rest of the year while we trade slappy after a couple of good weeks. Maybe we can actually get a prospect for him. I would bet that Pagan would end up with a higher obp than slappy.

[mg420]

why not try negron in cf next year with pagan to back him up?

[Jon]

Pagan's career minor league numbers: .271/.344/.373 with 15 HRs and a 71% SB rate.

 

Last year at AAA: .271/.333/.395 with 8 HRs and a 64% SB rate.

 

Typical Hendry favorite. Can't hit, isn't that good on the base paths, but boy is he fast.

 

Yeah the stats definately point to a typical Hendry guy, but watching him play is different. Like I said before it doesn't mean he will be good as he probably won't because let's be realistic what young player is ever good for the Cubs, but I just like watching the way he plays.

He's basically been only tools in his career. He's hasn't been much of a hitter, he's fast but doesn't steal bases well, and he should be hitting for more power than he has. Hendry also picked up other pretty similar players in Bynum and Miguel Negron (who spent five full years in the minors before reaching AA and has a career .680 OPS coming into this season) for the 40-man roster this year when there were already better players in the system. And he'll just be taking playing time from guys like Murton who actually have a sizeable upside.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'm all for trading Ced Landrum...oops...I mean Pierre, whether we have Pagan around or not.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

I would be on the BandWGN, but this is yet another speed bump that Murton must overcome in order to become the player that he will be. I'm tired of career bench guys getting in Matt's way.

 

Of your 89 posts, how many reference Matt Murton? Just curious. :wink:

[Blueheart05]

Pagan's looking all "Rico Suave" in the CSN postgame. Actually, I think Plesac likened him to someone in the Godfather. Hilarious! :lol:

[SeldomSeen]

the thing I like about him is that he just seems like a "baseball player" as opposed to the usual toolsy guys the Cubs bring in. I can't exactly put my finger on what it is, but there is something a little different in his makeup. It doesn't mean he'll be good or anything, but it is nice to have a different kind of player on the team. I know saying a baseball player seems like a "baseball player" is [expletive], but there are too many guys in baseball that are more just athletes and not ball players.

 

I thought the same thing about Gary Matthews, Jr. :oops:

[LuvChicagoSports]

the thing I like about him is that he just seems like a "baseball player" as opposed to the usual toolsy guys the Cubs bring in. I can't exactly put my finger on what it is, but there is something a little different in his makeup. It doesn't mean he'll be good or anything, but it is nice to have a different kind of player on the team. I know saying a baseball player seems like a "baseball player" is [expletive], but there are too many guys in baseball that are more just athletes and not ball players.

 

I thought the same thing about Gary Matthews, Jr. :oops:

 

Gary Matthews Jr. is having an outstanding season. So your point is moot on that. Guys on the Cubs fail to succeed for a number of reasons, but over the past 4 years it has been because of a poor approach to hitting that is taught to them from inept coaching. Just look at Patterson and it's clear as day that the coaching staff here can only be successfull if they are given players with great plate vision like Derrek Lee. Lee is able to be agressive within the strike zone because he has a good concept of the strike zone. Hendry and Baker have a hard time co-existing because they do not work together. I hate the hitting approach personally but it Hendry would bring in the type of player that would take well to this hitting approach like Lee, then the team would be much better offensively. Instead he brings in toolsy players that don't have a concept of the strike zone but are fast and have immense amount of talent if harnessed.

[Mizzou]

Pagan's career minor league numbers: .282/344/.373 with 15 HRs and a 71% SB rate.

 

Last year at AAA: .271/.333/.395 with 8 HRs and a 64% SB rate.

 

Typical Hendry favorite. Can't hit, isn't that good on the base paths, but boy is he fast.

Can't hit? He's a .282 career hitter and can't hit? Can't hit for power would be more appropriate, but it's flat out false to say that he can't hit.

[CubinNY]

Pagan's career minor league numbers: .282/344/.373 with 15 HRs and a 71% SB rate.

 

Last year at AAA: .271/.333/.395 with 8 HRs and a 64% SB rate.

 

Typical Hendry favorite. Can't hit, isn't that good on the base paths, but boy is he fast.

Can't hit? He's a .282 career hitter and can't hit? Can't hit for power would be more appropriate, but it's flat out false to say that he can't hit.

 

.282 for a career average in the minors is pretty bad. Especially with those peripheral numbers.

 

His numbers stink, the Cubs purchased him for $10,000 from the Mets.

[Pickle]

I would be on the BandWGN, but this is yet another speed bump that Murton must overcome in order to become the player that he will be. I'm tired of career bench guys getting in Matt's way.

 

Matt Murton is a 4th OF, at best. "Speed bumps" are the only thing keeping more people from seeing that.

[jyoung55]

the thing I like about him is that he just seems like a "baseball player" as opposed to the usual toolsy guys the Cubs bring in. I can't exactly put my finger on what it is, but there is something a little different in his makeup. It doesn't mean he'll be good or anything, but it is nice to have a different kind of player on the team. I know saying a baseball player seems like a "baseball player" is [expletive], but there are too many guys in baseball that are more just athletes and not ball players.

 

I thought the same thing about Gary Matthews, Jr. :oops:

 

Gary Matthews Jr. is having an outstanding season. So your point is moot on that. Guys on the Cubs fail to succeed for a number of reasons, but over the past 4 years it has been because of a poor approach to hitting that is taught to them from inept coaching. Just look at Patterson and it's clear as day that the coaching staff here can only be successfull if they are given players with great plate vision like Derrek Lee. Lee is able to be agressive within the strike zone because he has a good concept of the strike zone. Hendry and Baker have a hard time co-existing because they do not work together. I hate the hitting approach personally but it Hendry would bring in the type of player that would take well to this hitting approach like Lee, then the team would be much better offensively. Instead he brings in toolsy players that don't have a concept of the strike zone but are fast and have immense amount of talent if harnessed.

 

Well put and nice post.

[Bruno7481]

Pagan's career minor league numbers: .282/344/.373 with 15 HRs and a 71% SB rate.

 

Last year at AAA: .271/.333/.395 with 8 HRs and a 64% SB rate.

 

Typical Hendry favorite. Can't hit, isn't that good on the base paths, but boy is he fast.

Can't hit? He's a .282 career hitter and can't hit? Can't hit for power would be more appropriate, but it's flat out false to say that he can't hit.

 

.282 for a career average in the minors is pretty bad. Especially with those peripheral numbers.

 

His numbers stink, the Cubs purchased him for $10,000 from the Mets.

 

I'm sorry, but I think it is a total disrespect to all minor leaguers to say that a .282 career average is bad. Do you realize how difficult baseball is, even at the rookie league level? Are his numbers outstanding, not at all.

 

This game is very hard, just to make it to the Major Leagues is a huge accomplishment. A .282 career average is hardly terrible, it takes a whole lot of talent to make a professional organization.

[Mizzou]

 

.282 for a career average in the minors is pretty bad.

No, it's actually not. The league average for the AA and AAA leagues ranges from .247 to .269. So again, it's wrong to say that Pagan can't hit.

Edited July 3, 2006 by Mizzou

[Bruno7481]

 

.282 for a career average in the minors is pretty bad.

I don't believe that. Do you know what the league average is for the past few years? I tried finding it, but came up empty.

 

I would think it would be way above league average.

 

Just from personal expereince, from someone who played 4 years in college, I know how good you have to be to make it. Hitting .282 throughout your minor league career is nothing to sneeze at.

[Laura]

He's basically been only tools in his career. He's hasn't been much of a hitter, he's fast but doesn't steal bases well, and he should be hitting for more power than he has. Hendry also picked up other pretty similar players in Bynum and Miguel Negron (who spent five full years in the minors before reaching AA and has a career .680 OPS coming into this season) for the 40-man roster this year when there were already better players in the system. And he'll just be taking playing time from guys like Murton who actually have a sizeable upside.

 

Pagan was picked up first of that trio and actually played well during spring training. The fact that there are about 8 25th men on the Cubs roster doesn't mean that Pagan can't be a useful 4/5 outfielder.

 

Murton was losing his time to Bynum. Pagan's presence has little to do with Murton's fate.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I would be on the BandWGN, but this is yet another speed bump that Murton must overcome in order to become the player that he will be. I'm tired of career bench guys getting in Matt's way.

 

Matt Murton is a 4th OF, at best. "Speed bumps" are the only thing keeping more people from seeing that.

 

I share your view on Murton for the most part, but it's not outside the realm of possibility that he becomes productive. Benching him in favor of the likes of Nevin, Bynum, and Pagan when we are hopelessly out of the race isn't going to help anything.

[RynoRules]

I for one wouldn't mind dealing Pierre and handing the CF job to Pagan. Can't be worse than its been, and at least Pagan is an awesome dresser.