what gets cabrera?

[seattlecub]

what do we have to trade to get miguel cabrera? i think we might be able to do it, if a thing or two fall into place. i would trade (in the offseason)(assuming dope performs to a level that puts him back in the prospect stratosphere) marshall, murton, dope and someone else. would it work? i think it could, though i'm not convinced? would you do it/would it be enough/ too much?

 

sc

[Derwood]

a new GM

[BigbadB]

a new GM

 

Agreed. When do the Cubs get in the bidding for one of the best players in baseball. Hendry wouldn't recognize the talents of Cabrera if they slapped him in the face.

 

Dope isn't something the Marlins need. Their at least 2 deep at 1b. I'm sure a few more Ricky Nolasco's would interest them quite a bit, however.

 

Florida will want 3 or 4 can't miss prospects.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

A realistic offer for Cabrera will begin with two of Marshall, Pie, Guzman, and Marmol. It would start there. Then the Marlins would likely insist on Gallagher and/or Paweleck. They'd probably ask for Moore and another player as well.

[Backtobanks]

what do we have to trade to get miguel cabrera? i think we might be able to do it, if a thing or two fall into place. i would trade (in the offseason)(assuming dope performs to a level that puts him back in the prospect stratosphere) marshall, murton, dope and someone else. would it work? i think it could, though i'm not convinced? would you do it/would it be enough/ too much?

 

sc

 

When Dusty's through with him, who's going to want a part-time OF with blown confidence.

[srbin84]

If I were the Cubs, I would offer Marshall, Murton, EPatt and Ohman.

[ChiCubsFan]

If I were the Cubs, I would offer Marshall, Murton, EPatt and Ohman.

 

And they would laugh and then hang up the phone.

[srbin84]

If I were the Cubs, I would offer Marshall, Murton, EPatt and Ohman.

 

And they would laugh and then hang up the phone.

 

I guess that depends on how good EPatt is and can be. People around here already have him as the stater in 07 or 08, and he has put up really nice numbers in the minors. The Marlins def. will not find a deal that includes as much major league ready talent as that.

[ChiCubsFan]

If I were the Cubs, I would offer Marshall, Murton, EPatt and Ohman.

 

And they would laugh and then hang up the phone.

 

I guess that depends on how good EPatt is and can be. People around here already have him as the stater in 07 or 08, and he has put up really nice numbers in the minors. The Marlins def. will not find a deal that includes as much major league ready talent as that.

 

What source do you have says no team would not offer more than that? Yeah, those guys are close to or are major league ready, but their ceilings are not very high. The Marlins aren't going to trade one of the best young players in the game for a few average ballplayers. Besides, they don't need EPatt. They have Dan Uggla at 2b. Realistically, an offer for Cabrera would have to be something like Pie, Marshall, Pawelek, and Moore.

[srbin84]

If I were the Cubs, I would offer Marshall, Murton, EPatt and Ohman.

 

And they would laugh and then hang up the phone.

 

I guess that depends on how good EPatt is and can be. People around here already have him as the stater in 07 or 08, and he has put up really nice numbers in the minors. The Marlins def. will not find a deal that includes as much major league ready talent as that.

 

What source do you have says no team would not offer more than that? Yeah, those guys are close to or are major league ready, but their ceilings are not very high. The Marlins aren't going to trade one of the best young players in the game for a few average ballplayers. Besides, they don't need EPatt. They have Dan Uggla at 2b. Realistically, an offer for Cabrera would have to be something like Pie, Marshall, Pawelek, and Moore.

 

I thought they weren't sold on Uggla as the long term answer because of his defense. You're trade idea isn't bad at all. I don't really like prospects in the lower minor leagues with high cielings as much as most people, especially when they are Cubs prospects. I think there is as good a chance Pawalek and Moore amount to nothing as them having better careers than Marshall and Murton.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Pie, Marshall, Gallagher, Marmol and Pawelek might do it. I don't think the Cubs have the system to acquire Cabrerra.

[srbin84]

Well, like I said before, whether it's a three way deal or a Piazza type thing, Prior could be the centerpiece of a Cabrera deal if he can stay healthy get rolling until the trade deadline.

[RockTheIvy]

No one can touch Melky Cabrera.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Pie, Marshall, Gallagher, Marmol and Pawelek might do it. I don't think the Cubs have the system to acquire Cabrerra.

 

THAT is way too much. If it takes that much, then the Cubs are back in the same position, but with an soon-to-be-very expensive player and MORE questions about the pitching. Don't get me wrong, I love Cabrera, but I wouldn't try to acquire Cabrera, unless the deal is reasonable. And 5 young (ie cheap) players are not REASONABLE. I think the Cubs could get Jonny Gomes for Gallagher and Guzman, which would be worth it.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Pie, Marshall, Gallagher, Marmol and Pawelek might do it. I don't think the Cubs have the system to acquire Cabrerra.

 

THAT is way too much. If it takes that much, then the Cubs are back in the same position, but with an soon-to-be-very expensive player and MORE questions about the pitching. Don't get me wrong, I love Cabrera, but I wouldn't try to acquire Cabrera, unless the deal is reasonable. And 5 young (ie cheap) players are not REASONABLE. I think the Cubs could get Jonny Gomes for Gallagher and Guzman, which would be worth it.

 

No way Gallager and Guzman nets Gomes, or it should've been done yesterday.

[Roast]

Pie, Marshall, Gallagher, Marmol and Pawelek might do it. I don't think the Cubs have the system to acquire Cabrerra.

 

THAT is way too much. If it takes that much, then the Cubs are back in the same position, but with an soon-to-be-very expensive player and MORE questions about the pitching. Don't get me wrong, I love Cabrera, but I wouldn't try to acquire Cabrera, unless the deal is reasonable. And 5 young (ie cheap) players are not REASONABLE. I think the Cubs could get Jonny Gomes for Gallagher and Guzman, which would be worth it.

 

No way Gallager and Guzman nets Gomes, or it should've been done yesterday.

 

What he said.

 

I'd be willing to do the trade raisin laid out..

[HoopsCubs]

what do we have to trade to get miguel cabrera? i think we might be able to do it, if a thing or two fall into place. i would trade (in the offseason)(assuming dope performs to a level that puts him back in the prospect stratosphere) marshall, murton, dope and someone else. would it work? i think it could, though i'm not convinced? would you do it/would it be enough/ too much?

 

sc

 

From Florida's perspective, I bet they would want 3 of the following 4 players: Marshall, Guzman, Marmol and Hill.

[Roast]

what do we have to trade to get miguel cabrera? i think we might be able to do it, if a thing or two fall into place. i would trade (in the offseason)(assuming dope performs to a level that puts him back in the prospect stratosphere) marshall, murton, dope and someone else. would it work? i think it could, though i'm not convinced? would you do it/would it be enough/ too much?

 

sc

 

From Florida's perspective, I bet they would want 3 of the following 4 players: Marshall, Guzman, Marmol and Hill.

 

Done.

 

Preferably Guzman, Marmol, and Hill.

 

 

Then they would have an entire ex-cub rotation. Sweet.

[JWCUB]

what do we have to trade to get miguel cabrera? i think we might be able to do it, if a thing or two fall into place. i would trade (in the offseason)(assuming dope performs to a level that puts him back in the prospect stratosphere) marshall, murton, dope and someone else. would it work? i think it could, though i'm not convinced? would you do it/would it be enough/ too much?

 

sc

 

From Florida's perspective, I bet they would want 3 of the following 4 players: Marshall, Guzman, Marmol and Hill.

 

Done.

 

Preferably Guzman, Marmol, and Hill.

 

 

Then they would have an entire ex-cub rotation. Sweet.

 

I'd do that in a NY minute. But I'm not sure that would get it done.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Pie, Marshall, Gallagher, Marmol and Pawelek might do it. I don't think the Cubs have the system to acquire Cabrerra.

 

THAT is way too much. If it takes that much, then the Cubs are back in the same position, but with an soon-to-be-very expensive player and MORE questions about the pitching. Don't get me wrong, I love Cabrera, but I wouldn't try to acquire Cabrera, unless the deal is reasonable. And 5 young (ie cheap) players are not REASONABLE. I think the Cubs could get Jonny Gomes for Gallagher and Guzman, which would be worth it.

 

No way Gallager and Guzman nets Gomes, or it should've been done yesterday.

 

No way does Victor Zambrano nets Scott Kazmir.....oh wait...nm.

 

No way does AJ alphabet nets Joe Nathan (All Star closer), Francisco Liriano (best young lefty prospect in the game) and Boof Bonser.....nm..

 

The fact is nobody can say "no way", and nobody can say what it would take to acquire somebody. The RIGHT term is "highly unlikely", not "no way." And I do think Gallagher (if he conitnues to pitch lights out) and Guzman continues to build on his last outing, along with a solid prospect could net Gomes and a relief prospect.

[Brian]

Prior to the Dodgers/D-Back/Angels/team with great prospects

Prospects to Marlins

Cabrera to Cubs

[CaliforniaRaisin]

No way does Victor Zambrano nets Scott Kazmir.....oh wait...nm.

 

No way does AJ alphabet nets Joe Nathan (All Star closer), Francisco Liriano (best young lefty prospect in the game) and Boof Bonser.....nm..

 

The fact is nobody can say "no way", and nobody can say what it would take to acquire somebody. The RIGHT term is "highly unlikely", not "no way." And I do think Gallagher (if he conitnues to pitch lights out) and Guzman continues to build on his last outing, along with a solid prospect could net Gomes and a relief prospect.

 

Argue away the semantics, but both the trades you mentioned were head-scratchers at the time for most folks. We'll see if Tampa has really changed their steep price demands with a new GM.

[soccer10k]

I would absolutely love it if the Cubs were somehow able to acquire Cabrera. I would be willing to give up anybody except DLee and Z.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

I would absolutely love it if the Cubs were somehow able to acquire Cabrera. I would be willing to give up anybody except DLee and Z.

 

Keep in mind they wouldn't even want DLee or Z considering their whole objective is getting rid of payroll and building their system with good, young affordable players. Otherwise they would just keep Cabrera for the remainder of the year unless they feel that they couldn't re sign him no matter how much they offer.

[NorthsideAvenger]

No way does Victor Zambrano nets Scott Kazmir.....oh wait...nm.

 

No way does AJ alphabet nets Joe Nathan (All Star closer), Francisco Liriano (best young lefty prospect in the game) and Boof Bonser.....nm..

 

The fact is nobody can say "no way", and nobody can say what it would take to acquire somebody. The RIGHT term is "highly unlikely", not "no way." And I do think Gallagher (if he conitnues to pitch lights out) and Guzman continues to build on his last outing, along with a solid prospect could net Gomes and a relief prospect.

 

Argue away the semantics, but both the trades you mentioned were head-scratchers at the time for most folks. We'll see if Tampa has really changed their steep price demands with a new GM.

 

I'm not arguing "semantics", there is absolutely NO "absolute" in baseball. Even Albert Pujols can be traded. Highly unlikely, but still the possibility is there. And people are making Gomes out to be some kind of "savior" type hitter, which he is NOT. The suggestion that it would take a "Miguel Cabrera" type package to land Gomes, is downright LAUGHABLE. IMO, Gallagher and Guzman (talent wise) would be about right for Gomez, considering that lack of pitching, and the depth of OF prospects in the DRays system. With Gauthright/Dukes/Bankston (the KID has MONSTER power)/Young with Crawford and Baldelli, that's alot of talent. And, IMO, Gomes is NOT worth more then two very good prospects, which Gallagher and Guzman are. Guzman, is clearly as talented as Santana, or atleast has the stuff to rival Santana. Gallagher is SIMPLY going to win at the ML level, simply because he knows how to pitch. He's kind of a Mark Buehrle type pitcher, don't really have great stuff, but now how to used his stuff the best. Adding Guzman/Gallagher for Gomes makes more sense then trading Crawford for Santana.

 

Call it semantics, which you would be clearly wrong, if you want, but the fact remains, Gomes is attainable for Gallagher/Guzman.