Jason Grimsley admits to steroids

[TruffleShuffle]

 

I'd imagine that getting caught with HGH is an offense that could get him sent to jail, and his options were prison, or cooperate and tell what he knows.

 

Indeed, I believe his brother has something to do with pharmaceutics and may have been involved with supplying the "goods" to him. They are both in deep doo-doo

 

His brother will lose whatever license or job he has... aside from that, they may get off light since apparently Jason has been squealing like a mouse.

[OleMissCub]

 

I'd imagine that getting caught with HGH is an offense that could get him sent to jail, and his options were prison, or cooperate and tell what he knows.

 

Indeed, I believe his brother has something to do with pharmaceutics and may have been involved with supplying the "goods" to him. They are both in deep doo-doo

 

His brother will lose whatever license or job he has... aside from that, they may get off light since apparently Jason has been squealing like a mouse.

 

I don't blame him at all for quitting and I can't figure out why anyone would. He's disgraced....not only professionally but also with his colleagues. If the Diamondbacks were the mob, he'd soon be sleeping with the fishes in davy jones locker.

[Neuby]

Jason Stark was on Mike and Mike a little while ago he mentioned that if Grimsley has any kind of evidence it could be very damaging he played for the Indians when they scored a 1000 runs, the Yankee's , the 93 championship Phillies and Baltimore with Palmerio.

[NewUserName]

I have posted this before but I will mention it again. If they really want to clean up the game the solution is forfeiting teams wins if they are found to be using a player that is on a banned substance. So far all of the punishments have been to the players and their checks. It isnt that big of a gamble for a team like the Giants to use a player like Barry Bonds. If he gets caught he is on suspension. So the Giants suffer after he is put on suspension. However they reap the rewards of him as a player if he isnt caught or before he is caught in performance and ATTENDENCE. Yes they would take an attendence hit after the suspension but probably not enough to make not using him worth it. If however a team has to forfeit games that a player who is using has played in then the team is going to take a very proactive approach to making sure that a player isnt using and will probably not even consider using a player that is very suspiciuos. If the Giants had to forfeit games that Bonds played in if he got caught not only would they lose Bonds, they would also be playing in front of the players wives in most of the home games the rest of the season. Which would offset any positive gains that may have been there by using him to begin with. By the way I was just using Bonds as an example. It definetly wouldnt be worth the risk for a team to use a Jason Grimseley.

 

Secondly the dont ask dont tell system the players are using now would be out the window. I would think that clean players would have no problem letting teams know who is unclean if they thought games would be forfeited. Than if a player who is cleaned gets accused all he would have to do is give a blood test to prove his innocence. If he would be unwilling to give a test than a team wouldnt play him and it would be obvious why and the player would be blackballed from the game. I know innocent until proven guilty the American way and all that. One thing I have learned in may vast experience of working is that basic American criminal justice rules do no always apply in the work place. So to the players who are reaping more than their Just rewards for playing baseball who would cry over it all I would have to say is "get over it"

 

Also if a player has been caught or blackballed it would be his responsibility to prove he is clean to any team that may give him another chance. Not them hoping he is clean so they wouldnt even give him the chance.

 

Lastly I dont think you would need the Union to sign off on this. This would be team games getting forfeited not players being fined or suspended. You could just keep the current penalties in place.

 

So I would contend that at the end of the day the thing that matters the most is championships, this should be what is at stake if a player choses to use banned substances. If this isnt what is at stake you are never really going to get this cleaned up.

 

On a similar subject, now that this has blown the lid off the silliness that baseball has "cleaned up its act" When will the mighty ESPN start considering another league that clearly has issues also with performance enhancing drugs yes the NFL

[abuck1220]

listening to these idiots on BBTN it's like they feel bad for the players he ratted out...as if those players are innocent parties or something. i have a hard time having sympathy for those guys.

[Soul]

 

I'd imagine that getting caught with HGH is an offense that could get him sent to jail, and his options were prison, or cooperate and tell what he knows.

 

Indeed, I believe his brother has something to do with pharmaceutics and may have been involved with supplying the "goods" to him. They are both in deep doo-doo

 

His brother will lose whatever license or job he has... aside from that, they may get off light since apparently Jason has been squealing like a mouse.

 

I don't blame him at all for quitting and I can't figure out why anyone would. He's disgraced....not only professionally but also with his colleagues. If the Diamondbacks were the mob, he'd soon be sleeping with the fishes in davy jones locker.

 

I suppose. But I for one am sick of all the overt drug use in this sport and am glad that more cockroaches will see the light of day because he's ratting them out.

 

Don't like it? Too damn bad. Shouldn't have used roids then. Meh.

[Sammy Sofa]

Wilford Brimley is on the horse.

[windows]

 

I'd imagine that getting caught with HGH is an offense that could get him sent to jail, and his options were prison, or cooperate and tell what he knows.

 

Indeed, I believe his brother has something to do with pharmaceutics and may have been involved with supplying the "goods" to him. They are both in deep doo-doo

 

His brother will lose whatever license or job he has... aside from that, they may get off light since apparently Jason has been squealing like a mouse.

 

I don't blame him at all for quitting and I can't figure out why anyone would. He's disgraced....not only professionally but also with his colleagues. If the Diamondbacks were the mob, he'd soon be sleeping with the fishes in davy jones locker.

 

I suppose. But I for one am sick of all the overt drug use in this sport and am glad that more cockroaches will see the light of day because he's ratting them out.

 

Don't like it? Too damn bad. Shouldn't have used roids then. Meh.

 

It's not like Grimsley is doing this to better the sport. Not at all. He's ratting people out to try to convince prosecutors to go easy on him.

 

Do I have any sympathy for the other players who used performance enhancing drugs? Absolutely not. But it's hard for me to cheer Grimsley on considering that he used performance enhancing drugs too and that he's only doing this to look out for himself.

[Careless]

what about these guys' lives?

what about them?

[Derwood]

I highly doubt Grimsley asked for his release because of his respect for the other players. He's already thrown them under the bus by saying that "boatloads are on HGH". He probably asked to be let go because the boys in the clubhouse were promising him a blanket party if he stuck around too much longer.

[stitchface]

listening to these idiots on BBTN it's like they feel bad for the players he ratted out...as if those players are innocent parties or something. i have a hard time having sympathy for those guys.

 

they also seem to be acting like they just heard of HGH today.

 

The problem with HGH is that the body produces it naturally and at different levels in different people and at different levels at different times of day. Testing for it is pretty complicated.

[Banedon]

listening to these idiots on BBTN it's like they feel bad for the players he ratted out...as if those players are innocent parties or something. i have a hard time having sympathy for those guys.

 

I haven't watched BBTN in eons, and frankly I don't feel like I'm missing it. They are making themselves more and more irrelevant with each passing day. Harold Reynolds, John Kruk and Steve Philips? (just a guess)

[stitchface]

yea, I'm with you banedon - I watched it for the highlights and they have cut those way back to show crappy analysis.

[sethuel1]

listening to these idiots on BBTN it's like they feel bad for the players he ratted out...as if those players are innocent parties or something. i have a hard time having sympathy for those guys.

 

they also seem to be acting like they just heard of HGH today.

 

The problem with HGH is that the body produces it naturally and at different levels in different people and at different levels at different times of day. Testing for it is pretty complicated.

 

artificially produced HGH (i.e. the HGH that is prescribed) can be detected independently from natural HGH due to different modifications added to the amino acids during the production process.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

listening to these idiots on BBTN it's like they feel bad for the players he ratted out...as if those players are innocent parties or something. i have a hard time having sympathy for those guys.

 

they also seem to be acting like they just heard of HGH today.

 

The problem with HGH is that the body produces it naturally and at different levels in different people and at different levels at different times of day. Testing for it is pretty complicated.

 

artificially produced HGH (i.e. the HGH that is prescribed) can be detected independently from natural HGH due to different modifications added to the amino acids during the production process.

 

Sounds made up.

[stitchface]

listening to these idiots on BBTN it's like they feel bad for the players he ratted out...as if those players are innocent parties or something. i have a hard time having sympathy for those guys.

 

they also seem to be acting like they just heard of HGH today.

 

The problem with HGH is that the body produces it naturally and at different levels in different people and at different levels at different times of day. Testing for it is pretty complicated.

 

artificially produced HGH (i.e. the HGH that is prescribed) can be detected independently from natural HGH due to different modifications added to the amino acids during the production process.

 

Ah, I was hoping you would chime in. so why can't they test for it?

[sethuel1]

listening to these idiots on BBTN it's like they feel bad for the players he ratted out...as if those players are innocent parties or something. i have a hard time having sympathy for those guys.

 

they also seem to be acting like they just heard of HGH today.

 

The problem with HGH is that the body produces it naturally and at different levels in different people and at different levels at different times of day. Testing for it is pretty complicated.

 

artificially produced HGH (i.e. the HGH that is prescribed) can be detected independently from natural HGH due to different modifications added to the amino acids during the production process.

 

Sounds made up.

 

Sounds like I'm actually a scientist.

[sethuel1]

listening to these idiots on BBTN it's like they feel bad for the players he ratted out...as if those players are innocent parties or something. i have a hard time having sympathy for those guys.

 

they also seem to be acting like they just heard of HGH today.

 

The problem with HGH is that the body produces it naturally and at different levels in different people and at different levels at different times of day. Testing for it is pretty complicated.

 

artificially produced HGH (i.e. the HGH that is prescribed) can be detected independently from natural HGH due to different modifications added to the amino acids during the production process.

 

Ah, I was hoping you would chime in. so why can't they test for it?

 

Depends who you ask as to whether they can test for it or not. The situation i'm presenting above is what WADA says their test does. However, their test hasn't actually caught anyone yet (it's only been in use since the Athens games, I think).

[sethuel1]

WADA is sponsoring several labs, including one at UCLA, to come up with better HGH tests.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

listening to these idiots on BBTN it's like they feel bad for the players he ratted out...as if those players are innocent parties or something. i have a hard time having sympathy for those guys.

 

they also seem to be acting like they just heard of HGH today.

 

The problem with HGH is that the body produces it naturally and at different levels in different people and at different levels at different times of day. Testing for it is pretty complicated.

 

artificially produced HGH (i.e. the HGH that is prescribed) can be detected independently from natural HGH due to different modifications added to the amino acids during the production process.

 

Sounds made up.

 

Sounds like I'm actually a scientist.

 

Prove it. Without pictures, you got nothin'.

[sethuel1]

listening to these idiots on BBTN it's like they feel bad for the players he ratted out...as if those players are innocent parties or something. i have a hard time having sympathy for those guys.

 

they also seem to be acting like they just heard of HGH today.

 

The problem with HGH is that the body produces it naturally and at different levels in different people and at different levels at different times of day. Testing for it is pretty complicated.

 

artificially produced HGH (i.e. the HGH that is prescribed) can be detected independently from natural HGH due to different modifications added to the amino acids during the production process.

 

Sounds made up.

 

Sounds like I'm actually a scientist.

 

Prove it. Without pictures, you got nothin'.

http://www.erin-and-seth.com/senior%20year/photos/images/58_jpg.jpg

[Transmogrified Tiger]

So you're a witch doctor. Full disclosure up front plz

[sethuel1]

So you're a witch doctor. Full disclosure up front plz

 

I thought that was a sweet last-minute costume. Of course, that coat I took from lab was never seen again....

 

Also, that's my fake id I'm wearing as a badge there.

[sethuel1]

Back to the seriousness. The problem with what i presented above is that HGH turns over rapidly. A test on the protein would only detect very recently injected hGH. If you look at downstream expression markers (i.e. RNA levels of hGH targets), you can get a better look at whether someone's been juicing. The problem is whether a high downstream marker is an acceptable smoking gun for the upstream hGH doping.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

 

I'd imagine that getting caught with HGH is an offense that could get him sent to jail, and his options were prison, or cooperate and tell what he knows.

 

Indeed, I believe his brother has something to do with pharmaceutics and may have been involved with supplying the "goods" to him. They are both in deep doo-doo

 

His brother will lose whatever license or job he has... aside from that, they may get off light since apparently Jason has been squealing like a mouse.

 

I don't blame him at all for quitting and I can't figure out why anyone would. He's disgraced....not only professionally but also with his colleagues. If the Diamondbacks were the mob, he'd soon be sleeping with the fishes in davy jones locker.

 

I suppose. But I for one am sick of all the overt drug use in this sport and am glad that more cockroaches will see the light of day because he's ratting them out.

 

Don't like it? Too damn bad. Shouldn't have used roids then. Meh.

 

It's not like Grimsley is doing this to better the sport. Not at all. He's ratting people out to try to convince prosecutors to go easy on him.

 

Do I have any sympathy for the other players who used performance enhancing drugs? Absolutely not. But it's hard for me to cheer Grimsley on considering that he used performance enhancing drugs too and that he's only doing this to look out for himself.

 

Sure, the his motive is sketchy, but the outcome could be productive in cleaning up the sport. It is a bit strange to see quotes in the Trib from Ozzie Guillen and Jeff Nelson irate that Grimsley named names. Why not stay out of it, because defending accused steroid users does not reflect well on anyone.

 

[aimless fingerpointing] But then again, Grimsley and Nelson did pitch together, and Nelson seemed awfully pissed off, so Nelson was probably one of the guys named [/aimless fingerpointing] :lol: