Barrett

[sunnydoo]

Ya, Barrett started the fight. no question about that. he said it in so many words.

 

AJP was actually kind of shocked because Barrett is apparently one of his few friends in the game- he said they knew each other from after high school on.

 

I think both were a little dazed and wouldnt have acted like that otherwise. I hope Mr Watson takes that into consideration.

[Laura]

Barrett has had attitude at home plate for a long time. When guys have scored sliding in, then started to get back up, he's pushed them back down several times. This is nothing new. Barrett has attitude.

You either like him for it or you hate him for it or you form an opinion despite it all.

 

I don't mind it. I just wish the team was a better team.

[A New Era]

I was watching the replay whilst visiting some cardinal fan family. The replay was on (like it probably was all night). And one of them said. "There was a whole lotta room to go around barret" (if he was indeed getting his helmet). I agreed. He lowered his shoulder and shouldered Barret. That's adding insult to injury after he bashes into him without the ball in his hand. Barret is not deserve all the blame.

 

Barret's got fire, he loves being a cub, and I love him for it. Still shouldn't have hit him.

[srbin84]

This was the highlight of the season. I am so glad Barrett punched that a-hole. I don't care about the suspension because......NEWS FLASH-this team was done at least a week ago.

[fulldeck]

To the NAYSAYER of Michael Barrett:

From: And upset fan

Subject: Calling what Barrett did, "stupid" and "embarrassing."

 

How many of you people have EVER played the position of catcher? It's not a position that ALOT of people volunteer to play. In fact...there is a reason why catcher has the mantra of "Tools of ignorance."

 

Now, with that said....I was a FORMER catcher. Played the position till I tore up my knee so bad, that the docs told me that I could continue to play and have a lasting limp (the Darren Daulton syndrome, so to speak), or give up being a catcher and walk perfectically normal. I chose walking normal. To say...I've been "bowled over" a few times, is an understatement. So to say....I have a unique POV of the situation. What AJP did was by far, classless, stupid, and beyond "reckless." All Barrett was doing was trying to defend himself against a player who was trying to hurt him. Barrett didn't do ANYTHING that any of us would have done in the same situation. As a former player/catcher, I would be have been rougher on AJ then Barrett was. Barrett had NO DEEP INCENTIVES to starting this fight....no he was protecting himself. And for those who are downplaying what Barrett did, needs to play the position in a high level competition before you pass judgement on what Barrett did.

 

And the cruel irony of this situation is....AJ will get a "day off" tomorrow to heal up his pride, and Barrett will suspended, even tho is was AJ who instigated the the whole fight with his actions.

 

Michael Barrett is my hero. He is "THE MAN."

 

Sorry...but that isn't true at all. Barrett was blocking the plate. That signals to the AJP that he is going to get the ball and contact ensues. I have been on both sides of this and it was not a dirty play at all.

[E.J.]

Jacque's comments about the team after the brawl

 

Jones said he noticed a spark in the Cubs after the incident.

 

"We got our butts kicked today, but we had a little bit of fire as far as playing the game,'' Jones said.

 

Yeah, lots of fire Jacque. Got beat 7-0, but the team had fire. :roll:

[RynoRules]

Barrett has had attitude at home plate for a long time. When guys have scored sliding in, then started to get back up, he's pushed them back down several times. This is nothing new. Barrett has attitude.

You either like him for it or you hate him for it or you form an opinion despite it all.

 

I don't mind it. I just wish the team was a better team.

 

That's the whole thing - if we were beating them on the scoreboard as badly as Mike beat AJ's face, I might feel better about the whole thing. As it stands, its a metaphor for a team that has reached its end, and worse, the manager tossed his own guy under the bus.

 

From top to bottom, we are as bad an org. as there is in baseball.

[beowulf28]

To the NAYSAYER of Michael Barrett:

From: And upset fan

Subject: Calling what Barrett did, "stupid" and "embarrassing."

 

How many of you people have EVER played the position of catcher? It's not a position that ALOT of people volunteer to play. In fact...there is a reason why catcher has the mantra of "Tools of ignorance."

 

Now, with that said....I was a FORMER catcher. Played the position till I tore up my knee so bad, that the docs told me that I could continue to play and have a lasting limp (the Darren Daulton syndrome, so to speak), or give up being a catcher and walk perfectically normal. I chose walking normal. To say...I've been "bowled over" a few times, is an understatement. So to say....I have a unique POV of the situation. What AJP did was by far, classless, stupid, and beyond "reckless." All Barrett was doing was trying to defend himself against a player who was trying to hurt him. Barrett didn't do ANYTHING that any of us would have done in the same situation. As a former player/catcher, I would be have been rougher on AJ then Barrett was. Barrett had NO DEEP INCENTIVES to starting this fight....no he was protecting himself. And for those who are downplaying what Barrett did, needs to play the position in a high level competition before you pass judgement on what Barrett did.

 

And the cruel irony of this situation is....AJ will get a "day off" tomorrow to heal up his pride, and Barrett will suspended, even tho is was AJ who instigated the the whole fight with his actions.

 

Michael Barrett is my hero. He is "THE MAN."

 

I give you respect for having played catcher. I've only played it a few times in softball, which doesn't count. And I have been bowled over by someone much bigger than me. I didn't suffer any long-term effects from the collision, but my thumb was bent backwards.

 

Having said that, I totally agree with the people who think Barrett's reaction was totally uncalled for. Stupid. macho behavior like Barrett exhibited was totally uncalled for. Would y'all react the same way if AJP or any other catcher for that matter would've punched Barrett in the face after he'd slam into them. And don't think MB wouldn't do that either. Even he said AJP's slamming into him was clean.

 

And as for Dusty, why would you want him to stick up for a player who acted like a classless thug?

[fulldeck]

If catchers get run over all the time, how come the highlights aren't shown on SportsCenter and Baseball Tonight? Everybody knows that SC and BT would show the big hits, but I rarely see them. So where are all of these mysterious collisions you speak of?

 

I would say collisions like this only happen about 5-7 times a year total in both leagues. A lot of things have to lineup correctly to make it happen.

 

I can think of 3-4 off the top of my head and they go back a few years. Here are some examples with video/game recaps/and some pictures. 3 of the links involve Cardinals, sorry about that.

 

LINK with picture

 

LINK with video

 

Link with pics and video

 

Link with video

[Roast]

Well, after having a night to sleep on it, and reading Barretts and AJP's take on the days events in the paper this morning, I have come to this conclusion.

 

The collision at home was clean, AJP's elbow may have been up, but whatever, clean. The plate slap was still a reallyassholeish thing to do, but barrett didnt see it, so doesntlly doesnt matter as far as the brawl goes. AJP could have pretty easily went AROUND Barrett to get his helmet, instead of adding that little nudge. But he didnt, and Barrett Farnsworth'd him, and he shouldnt have, Barrett has said so himself.

 

From AJP's point of view, I dont think he did too much wrong, the plate slap will stick out in my head as a pretty lame thign to do, reguardles of if barrett saw it or not. And he could have easily avoided that nudge.

 

From Barretts point of view, I understand why he did it. He is laying on his back and he see's AJP coming towards him, and eventually nudge him. So he jacked him. Wrong, but i understand it.

 

 

Now, aside from all "he shouldnt have done it" and "logic" aside....

 

I will never get tired of seeing that prick get punched in the face. And Just for entertainment purpouses, I wish Barrett wouldn't have been held back by that ump, Podsednik would have gotten leveled.

[Soul]

Well, after having a night to sleep on it, and reading Barretts and AJP's take on the days events in the paper this morning, I have come to this conclusion.

 

The collision at home was clean, AJP's elbow may have been up, but whatever, clean. The plate slap was still a reallyassholeish thing to do, but barrett didnt see it, so doesntlly doesnt matter as far as the brawl goes. AJP could have pretty easily went AROUND Barrett to get his helmet, instead of adding that little nudge. But he didnt, and Barrett Farnsworth'd him, and he shouldnt have, Barrett has said so himself.

 

From AJP's point of view, I dont think he did too much wrong, the plate slap will stick out in my head as a pretty lame thign to do, reguardles of if barrett saw it or not. And he could have easily avoided that nudge.

 

From Barretts point of view, I understand why he did it. He is laying on his back and he see's AJP coming towards him, and eventually nudge him. So he jacked him. Wrong, but i understand it.

 

 

Now, aside from all "he shouldnt have done it" and "logic" aside....

 

I will never get tired of seeing that prick get punched in the face. And Just for entertainment purpouses, I wish Barrett wouldn't have been held back by that ump, Podsednik would have gotten leveled.

 

I wish there were more people on these boards willing to be reasonable in a situation like this. Good post.

[fulldeck]

If catchers get run over all the time, how come the highlights aren't shown on SportsCenter and Baseball Tonight? Everybody knows that SC and BT would show the big hits, but I rarely see them. So where are all of these mysterious collisions you speak of?

 

I would say collisions like this only happen about 5-7 times a year total in both leagues. A lot of things have to lineup correctly to make it happen.

 

I can think of 3-4 off the top of my head and they go back a few years. Here are some examples with video/game recaps/and some pictures. 3 of the links involve Cardinals, sorry about that.

 

LINK with picture

 

LINK with video

 

Link with pics and video

 

Link with video

 

On second thought, BBTN just showed 5 plays at the plate this week alone.

[srbin84]

Yesterday was the first time I've ever seen Barrett block the plate, and Cubs outfielders always have bad arms: whether it is weakness, inaccuracy or both. That's why plays at the plate seem rare.

[ZipDog]

Well, after having a night to sleep on it, and reading Barretts and AJP's take on the days events in the paper this morning, I have come to this conclusion.

 

The collision at home was clean, AJP's elbow may have been up, but whatever, clean. The plate slap was still a reallyassholeish thing to do, but barrett didnt see it, so doesntlly doesnt matter as far as the brawl goes. AJP could have pretty easily went AROUND Barrett to get his helmet, instead of adding that little nudge. But he didnt, and Barrett Farnsworth'd him, and he shouldnt have, Barrett has said so himself.

 

From AJP's point of view, I dont think he did too much wrong, the plate slap will stick out in my head as a pretty lame thign to do, reguardles of if barrett saw it or not. And he could have easily avoided that nudge.

 

From Barretts point of view, I understand why he did it. He is laying on his back and he see's AJP coming towards him, and eventually nudge him. So he jacked him. Wrong, but i understand it.

 

 

Now, aside from all "he shouldnt have done it" and "logic" aside....

 

I will never get tired of seeing that prick get punched in the face. And Just for entertainment purpouses, I wish Barrett wouldn't have been held back by that ump, Podsednik would have gotten leveled.

 

I wish there were more people on these boards willing to be reasonable in a situation like this. Good post.

 

There is nothing "reasonable" about condoning or glorifying what Michael Barrett did. He cold-cocked and sucker-punch another human being....a cheap shot that was totally unwarranted. This is not the NHL; and, there is no room for the so-called "reasonable" and "wink-wink" condoning of this carp that you both exhibit.

 

In other words, "BULL-oney!"

[soccer10k]

If catchers get run over all the time, how come the highlights aren't shown on SportsCenter and Baseball Tonight? Everybody knows that SC and BT would show the big hits, but I rarely see them. So where are all of these mysterious collisions you speak of?

 

I would say collisions like this only happen about 5-7 times a year total in both leagues. A lot of things have to lineup correctly to make it happen.

 

I can think of 3-4 off the top of my head and they go back a few years. Here are some examples with video/game recaps/and some pictures. 3 of the links involve Cardinals, sorry about that.

 

LINK with picture

 

LINK with video

 

Link with pics and video

 

Link with video

 

On second thought, BBTN just showed 5 plays at the plate this week alone.

 

Plays at the plate or collisions at the plate?

[SouthSideRyan]

Well, after having a night to sleep on it, and reading Barretts and AJP's take on the days events in the paper this morning, I have come to this conclusion.

 

The collision at home was clean, AJP's elbow may have been up, but whatever, clean. The plate slap was still a reallyassholeish thing to do, but barrett didnt see it, so doesntlly doesnt matter as far as the brawl goes. AJP could have pretty easily went AROUND Barrett to get his helmet, instead of adding that little nudge. But he didnt, and Barrett Farnsworth'd him, and he shouldnt have, Barrett has said so himself.

 

From AJP's point of view, I dont think he did too much wrong, the plate slap will stick out in my head as a pretty lame thign to do, reguardles of if barrett saw it or not. And he could have easily avoided that nudge.

 

From Barretts point of view, I understand why he did it. He is laying on his back and he see's AJP coming towards him, and eventually nudge him. So he jacked him. Wrong, but i understand it.

 

 

Now, aside from all "he shouldnt have done it" and "logic" aside....

 

I will never get tired of seeing that prick get punched in the face. And Just for entertainment purpouses, I wish Barrett wouldn't have been held back by that ump, Podsednik would have gotten leveled.

 

I wish there were more people on these boards willing to be reasonable in a situation like this. Good post.

 

There is nothing "reasonable" about condoning or glorifying what Michael Barrett did. He cold-cocked and sucker-punch another human being....a cheap shot that was totally unwarranted. This is not the NHL; and, there is no room for the so-called "reasonable" and "wink-wink" condoning of this carp that you both exhibit.

 

In other words, "BULL-oney!"

 

Point of order, Pierzynski isn't a human being.

[Roast]

Well, after having a night to sleep on it, and reading Barretts and AJP's take on the days events in the paper this morning, I have come to this conclusion.

 

The collision at home was clean, AJP's elbow may have been up, but whatever, clean. The plate slap was still a reallyassholeish thing to do, but barrett didnt see it, so doesntlly doesnt matter as far as the brawl goes. AJP could have pretty easily went AROUND Barrett to get his helmet, instead of adding that little nudge. But he didnt, and Barrett Farnsworth'd him, and he shouldnt have, Barrett has said so himself.

 

From AJP's point of view, I dont think he did too much wrong, the plate slap will stick out in my head as a pretty lame thign to do, reguardles of if barrett saw it or not. And he could have easily avoided that nudge.

 

From Barretts point of view, I understand why he did it. He is laying on his back and he see's AJP coming towards him, and eventually nudge him. So he jacked him. Wrong, but i understand it.

 

 

Now, aside from all "he shouldnt have done it" and "logic" aside....

 

I will never get tired of seeing that prick get punched in the face. And Just for entertainment purpouses, I wish Barrett wouldn't have been held back by that ump, Podsednik would have gotten leveled.

 

I wish there were more people on these boards willing to be reasonable in a situation like this. Good post.

 

There is nothing "reasonable" about condoning or glorifying what Michael Barrett did. He cold-cocked and sucker-punch another human being....a cheap shot that was totally unwarranted. This is not the NHL; and, there is no room for the so-called "reasonable" and "wink-wink" condoning of this carp that you both exhibit.

 

In other words, "BULL-oney!"

 

Are you kidding me? I stated TWICE in that post that it was wrong and he should not have done it. I never condoned it. However, I'm not going to lie, I enjoyed watching AJP get punched. He's an ass, and has had that coming ever since he kicked his trainer or whoever that was in the crotch a few years back. Two wrongs may not make a right, but it makes for good TV if nothing else.

 

As for "reasonable" he was complimenting the way i used *Gasp* REASON to think through the situation from both players points of view, not saying it was reasonable to punch him.

[Roast]

 

Point of order, Pierzynski isn't a human being.

 

 

hahahhhahaha

[Soul]

Well, after having a night to sleep on it, and reading Barretts and AJP's take on the days events in the paper this morning, I have come to this conclusion.

 

The collision at home was clean, AJP's elbow may have been up, but whatever, clean. The plate slap was still a reallyassholeish thing to do, but barrett didnt see it, so doesntlly doesnt matter as far as the brawl goes. AJP could have pretty easily went AROUND Barrett to get his helmet, instead of adding that little nudge. But he didnt, and Barrett Farnsworth'd him, and he shouldnt have, Barrett has said so himself.

 

From AJP's point of view, I dont think he did too much wrong, the plate slap will stick out in my head as a pretty lame thign to do, reguardles of if barrett saw it or not. And he could have easily avoided that nudge.

 

From Barretts point of view, I understand why he did it. He is laying on his back and he see's AJP coming towards him, and eventually nudge him. So he jacked him. Wrong, but i understand it.

 

 

Now, aside from all "he shouldnt have done it" and "logic" aside....

 

I will never get tired of seeing that prick get punched in the face. And Just for entertainment purpouses, I wish Barrett wouldn't have been held back by that ump, Podsednik would have gotten leveled.

 

I wish there were more people on these boards willing to be reasonable in a situation like this. Good post.

 

There is nothing "reasonable" about condoning or glorifying what Michael Barrett did. He cold-cocked and sucker-punch another human being....a cheap shot that was totally unwarranted. This is not the NHL; and, there is no room for the so-called "reasonable" and "wink-wink" condoning of this carp that you both exhibit.

 

In other words, "BULL-oney!"

 

Dude. Go back and read the post again. Slower this time.

[fulldeck]

If catchers get run over all the time, how come the highlights aren't shown on SportsCenter and Baseball Tonight? Everybody knows that SC and BT would show the big hits, but I rarely see them. So where are all of these mysterious collisions you speak of?

 

I would say collisions like this only happen about 5-7 times a year total in both leagues. A lot of things have to lineup correctly to make it happen.

 

I can think of 3-4 off the top of my head and they go back a few years. Here are some examples with video/game recaps/and some pictures. 3 of the links involve Cardinals, sorry about that.

 

LINK with picture

 

LINK with video

 

Link with pics and video

 

Link with video

 

On second thought, BBTN just showed 5 plays at the plate this week alone.

 

Plays at the plate or collisions at the plate?

 

4/5 were collisions with the last one being a slide.

[JWD]

Barrett's frustration is understandable, but what he did was completely out of line. It isn't justified just because Pierzynski is an ass. This classless display is not what the Cubs need to get "fired up". Edited May 21, 2006 by JWD

[Jehrico]

Some of you are acting like he walked up to a stranger on the street and sucker punched him in the face. This is professional sports, these are extremely competitive athletes, Barrett hates losing, and AJP is the biggest smack-talker in the game. As to whether AJP said anything after the slide, or whether he was partially culpable in what happened, doesn't matter. If you're really bent on it, I'd be willing to bet that the issue with AJP started before that play.

 

Barrett was in the wrong here, but let's get over acting like he's a street-thug or a common criminal. This was clearly an emotionally driven event, not an premeditated attack on an innocent bystander. Barrett was wrong, he's going to be punished, then he's going to put it behind him, drive on, and continue to play. I can't believe the attitudes some of you are displaying over this, you'd think you never saw a fight in a game before. It's not that big of a deal.

[Laura]

That's pretty much my take. It was dumb. Barrett needs to figure out how to channel his frustration better ... but we've known that about him for awhile now. He'll be punished. It's hard for me to work up much outrage or disgust about it. Maybe that's because my expectations for this team are so low now.

[da bears]

I enjoyed seeing AP getting drilled in the face. Listening to Sox fans bash Barrett and the Cubs during it just increased my joy. If people here are gonna be too sensative about my feelings, thats your problem.

[IWU_CUBS_FAN]

I don't see what all the fuss is about. Is there ever a bad or inappropriate reason to deck AJP? I think not.

 

 

But seriously, the Cubs are so bad, I'll take my entertainment wherever I can get it.

 

This is the best post out of all of them on the subject. I mean it will suck not having Barrett, but AJP is an idiot and needed a good punching...plus, his take on the fight i don't take a lot of stock into...he could have avoided barrett on the walk to his helmet.......plus, it made my saturday a lot more bearable