How Many Games before Dusty gets canned?

[neely crenshaw]

i am not saying dusty is great but he has won and when he leaves he will get a good gig...which says to me he is well respected..surely more so than hendry or the cubs organization. if hendry fires him as the scapegoat for these crappy..brittle teams that hednry put together i do not think a top guy would want to come here.

i will say that my first call would be to dave duncan because what he has done for those pitching staffs is incredible! and we also need some help in that role also! if it takes being a manager to get him here...do it

[Magnetic Curses]

is hendry's contract guaranteed?

 

i'd much rather see him go than dusty. dusty isn't really the problem, nor are fundamentals. players don't usually learn how to play baseball in the major leagues, which, actually, is our problem in the first place. we draft toolsy athletes almost without exception as far as position players go--then, allow them to coach themselves in the minors.

 

we also acquire toolsy athletes in free agency. we don't draft or sign ballplayers, we draft or acquire athletes that don't have the mental makeup to do anything consistently.

 

if you ask me, this whole administration needs to be bashed in the head with a shovel, then drowned in the swimming pool and replaced.

[stitchface]

is hendry's contract guaranteed?

 

i'd much rather see him go than dusty. dusty isn't really the problem, nor are fundamentals. players don't usually learn how to play baseball in the major leagues, which, actually, is our problem in the first place. we draft toolsy athletes almost without exception as far as position players go--then, allow them to coach themselves in the minors.

 

we also acquire toolsy athletes in free agency. we don't draft or sign ballplayers, we draft or acquire athletes that don't have the mental makeup to do anything consistently.

 

if you ask me, this whole administration needs to be bashed in the head with a shovel, then drowned in the swimming pool and replaced.

 

Getting rid of hendry would definitely help more than getting rid of dusty, but dusty is bad too and is grossly overpaid.

[goonys evil twin]

i am not saying dusty is great but he has won and when he leaves he will get a good gig...which says to me he is well respected..

 

The only team that was rumored to have any interest in him last time was the Mets, but they didn't even try to talk to him. They saw him get outmanaged by Valentine and knew he was a joke.

 

As for the "he has won" statement, what exactly has he won? He won a ton of regular season games with the most productive player in baseball and a second guy who was an MVP candidate. But he had a losing record in 3 of his first 4 years there. It took him 8 years to win 1 playoff game. It took him 10 years to win one series. He is 3-4 all time in playoff series. The "he's won" arguement doesn't last very long when you look deeper. And aside from that, when you break down his moves, they just look awful.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'm really thinking Dusty could be gone. Our losing streak has hit 7 games. Last year we had three such streaks of at least this length.

 

Good managers don't allow this to happen to their teams.

[Magnetic Curses]

i am not saying dusty is great but he has won and when he leaves he will get a good gig...which says to me he is well respected..surely more so than hendry or the cubs organization. if hendry fires him as the scapegoat for these crappy..brittle teams that hednry put together i do not think a top guy would want to come here.

 

dusty will get a job from the conventional minds of the game, minds that believe the world to be flat and the moon to be made of green cheese. minds that believe that you must spend your entire life near the game to know anything about it, minds that haven't figured anything out but how to lose year after year.

 

and we don't need a top manager. i'd settle for billy beane and some puppet manager any day of the week. managers, first and foremost, must apply organizational philosophy in a consistent manner. that is the job of the manager, not to become the mutineer captain of some always-sinking ship.

[cubfan1955]

Dusty ain't going anywhere. :cry:

[sweetpeteman]

 

and we don't need a top manager. i'd settle for billy beane and some puppet manager any day of the week. managers, first and foremost, must apply organizational philosophy in a consistent manner. that is the job of the manager, not to become the mutineer captain of some always-sinking ship.

 

Then Dusty is doing a great job, as this organizations philosophy seems to be completely absent of intelligence.

[Magnetic Curses]

 

and we don't need a top manager. i'd settle for billy beane and some puppet manager any day of the week. managers, first and foremost, must apply organizational philosophy in a consistent manner. that is the job of the manager, not to become the mutineer captain of some always-sinking ship.

 

Then Dusty is doing a great job, as this organizations philosophy seems to be completely absent of intelligence.

 

and consistently inconsistent. there is a pattern to everything.

[erik316wttn]

Someone has GOT to go for the current futility.

 

The players look completly useless out there.... they look listless and play with little to no emotion. They don't look like they care if they win or lose. Looks like Dusty hasn't used his magical motivation skills lately. This is also the 4th losing streak of 7 games or more under Dusty since Opening Day of last year.

 

The pitching staff started the losing streak off pretty well, and lost only really because the hitting was terrible. But now it stinks. Prior and Wood are perpetually hurt (change in mechanics?). The pitching has gone belly-up. And it doesn't look to be getting better.

 

The hitting...... oh, the hitting. Where do I start?

 

This offense was on one of the worst 10-game stretches in recent memory, and possibly in baseball history. Yes, we lost our best hitter probably until the All-Star break, but that doesn't account for the absolute suckitude that the hitting has shown lately. Clines obviously isn't helping.

 

My biggest fears are either us pulling out of it, but still sucking, but not badly enough for Baker to lose his job, or B) The bottom completely falling out, Dusty stays, and by the time Wood and Prior come back, we'd be too far in the hole for it to matter.

 

Clines, Rothschild, and Baker all need to go. They're not getting it done.

[stitchface]

Someone has GOT to go for the current futility.

 

The players look completly useless out there.... they look listless and play with little to no emotion. They don't look like they care if they win or lose. Looks like Dusty hasn't used his magical motivation skills lately. This is also the 4th losing streak of 7 games or more under Dusty since Opening Day of last year.

 

The pitching staff started the losing streak off pretty well, and lost only really because the hitting was terrible. But now it stinks. Prior and Wood are perpetually hurt (change in mechanics?). The pitching has gone belly-up. And it doesn't look to be getting better.

 

The hitting...... oh, the hitting. Where do I start?

 

This offense was on one of the worst 10-game stretches in recent memory, and possibly in baseball history. Yes, we lost our best hitter probably until the All-Star break, but that doesn't account for the absolute suckitude that the hitting has shown lately. Clines obviously isn't helping.

 

My biggest fears are either us pulling out of it, but still sucking, but not badly enough for Baker to lose his job, or B) The bottom completely falling out, Dusty stays, and by the time Wood and Prior come back, we'd be too far in the hole for it to matter.

 

Clines, Rothschild, and Baker all need to go. They're not getting it done.

 

I would get rid of the following people:

MacPhail

Hendry

Baker

Clines

Matthews

Pole

Rothschild

Pierre

Jones

Rusch

Bynum

Perez

 

Would that send enough of a message?

[erik316wttn]

Someone has GOT to go for the current futility.

 

The players look completly useless out there.... they look listless and play with little to no emotion. They don't look like they care if they win or lose. Looks like Dusty hasn't used his magical motivation skills lately. This is also the 4th losing streak of 7 games or more under Dusty since Opening Day of last year.

 

The pitching staff started the losing streak off pretty well, and lost only really because the hitting was terrible. But now it stinks. Prior and Wood are perpetually hurt (change in mechanics?). The pitching has gone belly-up. And it doesn't look to be getting better.

 

The hitting...... oh, the hitting. Where do I start?

 

This offense was on one of the worst 10-game stretches in recent memory, and possibly in baseball history. Yes, we lost our best hitter probably until the All-Star break, but that doesn't account for the absolute suckitude that the hitting has shown lately. Clines obviously isn't helping.

 

My biggest fears are either us pulling out of it, but still sucking, but not badly enough for Baker to lose his job, or B) The bottom completely falling out, Dusty stays, and by the time Wood and Prior come back, we'd be too far in the hole for it to matter.

 

Clines, Rothschild, and Baker all need to go. They're not getting it done.

 

I would get rid of the following people:

MacPhail

Hendry

Baker

Clines

Matthews

Pole

Rothschild

Pierre

Jones

Rusch

Bynum

Perez

 

Would that send enough of a message?

 

Right now, any major change is going to have to come from the Trib. Dusty won't do anything to his players. Hendry won't do anything to Dusty. MacPhail won't do anything to Hendry. Any major organizational change would have to come from over MacPhail's head.

 

I totally agree with sending a message, though. Although Dusty could send one heck of a message himself if he'd bench players who didn't play hard. That would put a stop to it real quick. But, it won't happen because Dusty is too concerned with being everyone's friend rather than punishing poor/lacksidasical play.

[JonnyRed]

I've been a modest Baker backer in the past, but my issue with him right now is that this team looks listless. It's his responsibility to keep the team focused and motivated, and he's doing neither right now.

[goonys evil twin]

I've been a modest Baker backer in the past, but my issue with him right now is that this team looks listless. It's his responsibility to keep the team focused and motivated, and he's doing neither right now.

 

It's funny because I've been an adament Baker basher since before he even signed the contract but I don't think the current problem is due to a lack of focus and motivation. They just aren't good.

 

Then again, I never put much stock into his supposed ability to get the best out of players, so I didn't expect much.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I want Dusty, Hendry and MacPhail gone. Hopefully 1 out of 3 is a start, but I don't expect the Cubs will replace Dusty with anyone I'd want.

[Master Shake]

I wouldn't expect Baker to be fired until we hear a "Vote of confidence" from Hendry

[Jon]

The answer is (games remaining in 2006) + 2(162 games)

[CubinNY]

The answer is (games remaining in 2006) + 2(162 games)

 

That would be my guess too.

[RynoRules]

I wouldn't expect Baker to be fired until we hear a "Vote of confidence" from Hendry

 

IIRC, he already expressed his confidence in Dusty this week (or late last). Anyone have the quote?

[moorecg]

I'm thinking if we don't score more than 4 runs in any of our next 5 games Clines gets demoted and Sarge brought back up as Hitting Coach...that worked so well last time.

[anemic offense]

I have been really surprised how much this story has picked up with the national media. Chicago writers don't seem to be addressing it, and I'm still not convinced it's really an issue. But it's picking up steam. My guess is that if it's possible, then it won't take much more than another 10 games like the last 10. I don't think it's going to happen though. It's very rare that Hendry makes a personel decision that I want to see happen.

 

Agreed. If Hendry wasn't apt to force a move on Wendell Kim (who was costing us runs throughout an entire season), he's pry not going to fire Baker (until after the season) as well.

[Shavo]

Maybe the Cubs offered Dustballs an extension but he declined it.