what is the deal with prior???

[ronsanto10]

i hear all the stuff about woody and wade miller, but nothing about prior??? whats up with him??? whats even wrong with him??? cus it sure seems like along time for a strain....

[Irrelevant Dude]

Steve Stone made a comment today that Wood is progressing well and looked great, but that Prior is behind schedule and has some discomfort.

[CubfaninCA]

should have dealt him tejada. bum

[USSoccer]

honestly, I think if Cub fans want a whipping boy it should be Prior and not Wood. Wood gets hurt, but tries to pitch through it, which is why he gets hurt in the first place.

 

Prior...I don't know what his deal is, but it's bloody absurd he's not at least on par with Wood as far as rehab goes. Wood had 2 surgeries to recover from, and is going to make it back well ahead of him.

[Mark_R]

This is becoming insufferable. I love Prior. He's my favorite Cub. But this mysterious arm injury of doom is annoying the you know what outta me. If its something legit, come out with it. We don't hear ANYTHING about what the actual problem is.

[Jon]

This is becoming insufferable. I love Prior. He's my favorite Cub. But this mysterious arm injury of doom is annoying the you know what outta me. If its something legit, come out with it. We don't hear ANYTHING about what the actual problem is.

Other than the diagnosis they gave? The updates on him have been pretty regular and he shouldn't be more than two weeks behind Wood, if that.

 

Even if there was something today (he's joining the team tomorrow), it's not necessarily anything different or serious. Plus, you're not going to get quick updates from the Cubs on that until they talk.

Edited May 4, 2006 by Jon

[USSoccer]

This is becoming insufferable. I love Prior. He's my favorite Cub. But this mysterious arm injury of doom is annoying the you know what outta me. If its something legit, come out with it. We don't hear ANYTHING about what the actual problem is.

Other than the diagnosis they gave? The updates on him have been pretty regular and he shouldn't be more than two weeks behind Wood, if that.

 

I don't buy it. I'm sorry, Jon, but giving updates on a non-injury related delayed rehab isn't going to get me to cut Prior any slack. 3 years now he's been delayed out of the gate, and all 3 times for mystery issues.

[Jon]

This is becoming insufferable. I love Prior. He's my favorite Cub. But this mysterious arm injury of doom is annoying the you know what outta me. If its something legit, come out with it. We don't hear ANYTHING about what the actual problem is.

Other than the diagnosis they gave? The updates on him have been pretty regular and he shouldn't be more than two weeks behind Wood, if that.

 

I don't buy it. I'm sorry, Jon, but giving updates on a non-injury related delayed rehab isn't going to get me to cut Prior any slack. 3 years now he's been delayed out of the gate, and all 3 times for mystery issues.

What mysteries?

 

And if it was talked about today, nothing would be written up until tonight.

[USSoccer]

This is becoming insufferable. I love Prior. He's my favorite Cub. But this mysterious arm injury of doom is annoying the you know what outta me. If its something legit, come out with it. We don't hear ANYTHING about what the actual problem is.

Other than the diagnosis they gave? The updates on him have been pretty regular and he shouldn't be more than two weeks behind Wood, if that.

 

I don't buy it. I'm sorry, Jon, but giving updates on a non-injury related delayed rehab isn't going to get me to cut Prior any slack. 3 years now he's been delayed out of the gate, and all 3 times for mystery issues.

What mysteries?

 

The 2004 elbow/achilles thing, the 2005 whatever it was (i still can't remember) and the 2006 flu he got in January that set him back 5 months somehow.

 

When does a pattern become a pattern? It's insane. Like I said, at least with Kerry he goes out and pitches unless he needs to be operated on.

[Mark_R]

Other than the diagnosis they gave? The updates on him have been pretty regular and he shouldn't be more than two weeks behind Wood, if that.

 

How vague.

 

I'll ask again, what's wrong then, and what is their "diagnosis?"

[USSoccer]

I was wrong. Flu and a strained shoulder set him back 5 months.

 

Apr. 29

News: Prior, who was sidelined this spring with a strained muscle in his right shoulder, threw 40 pitches on Wednesday in a batting practice session, the Cubs' Web Site reports. He will throw three innings, and hopefully 60 pitches, in his next outing. No date was announced for Prior's next session.

[Jon]

This is becoming insufferable. I love Prior. He's my favorite Cub. But this mysterious arm injury of doom is annoying the you know what outta me. If its something legit, come out with it. We don't hear ANYTHING about what the actual problem is.

Other than the diagnosis they gave? The updates on him have been pretty regular and he shouldn't be more than two weeks behind Wood, if that.

 

I don't buy it. I'm sorry, Jon, but giving updates on a non-injury related delayed rehab isn't going to get me to cut Prior any slack. 3 years now he's been delayed out of the gate, and all 3 times for mystery issues.

What mysteries?

 

The 2004 elbow/achilles thing, the 2005 whatever it was (i still can't remember) and the 2006 flu he got in January that set him back 5 months somehow.

 

When does a pattern become a pattern? It's insane. Like I said, at least with Kerry he goes out and pitches unless he needs to be operated on.

This spring, they talked about his bronchitis (not the flu) and disclosed the MRI results on his shoulder. And I'm not really sure what's mysterious about the others, either. They're injuries, they were talked about, and took time to heal.

[Jon]

Other than the diagnosis they gave? The updates on him have been pretty regular and he shouldn't be more than two weeks behind Wood, if that.

 

How vague.

 

I'll ask again, what's wrong then, and what is their "diagnosis?"

If there's something new, it has yet to be reported in print. Articles published today have said that the Cubs expected Prior to pitch for them in Arizona. If there was something since then, it would be pretty unrealistic to expect to hear about it by now.

 

Or are you referring to the shoulder strain?

[badger1679666666]

I can't believe the level to which you defend this organization and their handling if injuries, and our pitching woes. I just don't get it Jon. Every thread that discusses these injuries you're coming to someone on the Cubs defense. I don't think they've earned that sort of backing.

[Jon]

I can't believe the level to which you defend this organization and their handling if injuries, and our pitching woes. I just don't get it Jon. Every thread that discusses these injuries you're coming to someone on the Cubs defense. I don't think they've earned that sort of backing.

I'm defending their handling of injuries? It's the constant accusation that they're just lying is what I don't get. The perception is just wrong for the most part. There's an unrealistic expectation in the media that injuries are an exact science. It isn't. If the Cubs set a timeline and it isn't met, then they're accused of lying. This year, they're going out of their way not to set timelines and now they're being accused of holding back information. But there's usually an update on Wood, Prior, and Miller at least twice a week on Cubs.com. The WGN Radio pregame show probably has two or three a week, as well, and the rest of the media prints them at the bottom of at least two articles a week in the notes section if there isn't a full article on one of them. The Cubs aren't really any different in this regard than any other organization other than the high-profile injuries have been more frequent.

 

Are you going to contest any of my claims that Prior's injuries haven't been mysteries? Or that the detailed reports on Prior's bronchitis and shoulder tests have been adequate? Or about his rehab? Wood's knee surgery and rehab?

 

They should be blasted for past mistakes, especially for pitching Wood out of the bullpen last season, and calling what they're doing wrong "lying" is a distraction from the real issue. Being wrong in the past about injuries is not the same thing as lying.

 

And if you point out the Carroll article about the shoulder soreness from February, I'll just have to point out the other stuff he said that certainly take away from his report.

 

It's really easy to blast the Cubs on pitching injuries, but it's often not deserved.

[DiamondMind]

It's really easy to blast the Cubs on pitching injuries, but it's often not deserved.

 

Yes, yes it is.

 

I can't count on one hand how many trainers we've had. Remember when Corey got hurt and they just left him in the game anyway? Meh, who cares right?

[snoodmonger]

Prior has been a huge disappointment, as far as I'm concerned. Yes, he's effective when he throws, but this is three straight seasons he's started the season on the DL. I understand he doesn't want to be injured, but the fact is, he is, and his limitless talent isn't doing us much good throwing 20-pitch side-sessions for the first two months of every season.

 

However, it's probably Hendry with whom I should be most angry. He keeps on putting all his eggs in the pitching basket, when two key parts of the rotation haven't shown the ability to consistently answer the bell. Maybe it's time to reassess your plan, Jimbo.

[IWU_CUBS_FAN]

I agree at least Wood shows some initiative to get back and healthy to help the team. Prior is just a lil girl the way he acts. Plus, even tho Ronny is hitting the tar outta the ball this year, could def use tejada's bat right about now. be nicer to have tejada up tonite with the bases loaded than walker (no offense to walker cuz he would have been up in Ronny's spot)

 

 

good grief :?

[DiamondMind]

Prior has been a huge disappointment, as far as I'm concerned. Yes, he's effective when he throws, but this is three straight seasons he's started the season on the DL. I understand he doesn't want to be injured, but the fact is, he is, and his limitless talent isn't doing us much good throwing 20-pitch side-sessions for the first two months of every season.

 

However, it's probably Hendry with whom I should be most angry. He keeps on putting all his eggs in the pitching basket, when two key parts of the rotation haven't shown the ability to consistently answer the bell. Maybe it's time to reassess your plan, Jimbo.

 

Respectfully, it's not Hendry's fault at all. Fact is - it's no one's fault. If your wife slams your finger in the car door, it just sucks, and if you yelled at your wife, you'd look like an $#@, wouldn't you? Injuries suck, don't blame Prior, don't blame Hendry. If anything, just hate the curse.

[soccer10k]

I'm defending their handling of injuries? It's the constant accusation that they're just lying is what I don't get. The perception is just wrong for the most part. There's an unrealistic expectation in the media that injuries are an exact science. It isn't. If the Cubs set a timeline and it isn't met, then they're accused of lying. This year, they're going out of their way not to set timelines and now they're being accused of holding back information. But there's usually an update on Wood, Prior, and Miller at least twice a week on Cubs.com. The WGN Radio pregame show probably has two or three a week, as well, and the rest of the media prints them at the bottom of at least two articles a week in the notes section if there isn't a full article on one of them. The Cubs aren't really any different in this regard than any other organization other than the high-profile injuries have been more frequent.

 

Are you going to contest any of my claims that Prior's injuries haven't been mysteries? Or that the detailed reports on Prior's bronchitis and shoulder tests have been adequate? Or about his rehab? Wood's knee surgery and rehab?

 

They should be blasted for past mistakes, especially for pitching Wood out of the bullpen last season, and calling what they're doing wrong "lying" is a distraction from the real issue. Being wrong in the past about injuries is not the same thing as lying.

 

And if you point out the Carroll article about the shoulder soreness from February, I'll just have to point out the other stuff he said that certainly take away from his report.

 

It's really easy to blast the Cubs on pitching injuries, but it's often not deserved.

 

I couldn't agree with you more. I've always thought that since athletes are EXTREMELY comptetative, not just within the sport they play professionally but outside of it as well, that they will try to at least return by the set date. If the team sets a certain date, an athlete will look at it as a challenge, and the fans will EXPECT the player to return by then. Anything short of that is considered to be a setback when in reality it might not be.

 

Frankly, I'm tired of hearing when a player might be back. I don't want to know if Prior might make a start on a certain day. Wait a couple days and tell me the day before or day of that he's going to throw a simulated game. Tell me a couple days in advance, after his final simulated game, that he's going to make a minor league rehab start on a certain day. But I'm tired of hearing estimations on when a player will return a couple weeks in advance. I have no problems with estimating DLee being out 8-10 weeks, but don't set a specific date or couple dates for his return.

 

As John said, have the Cubs made mistakes in the past? Absolutely. But I think they are handleing these injuries in the right way. It appears that nothing is good enough for Cubs fans. If they set an early return date for Wood and he doesn't make it, then it's a setback and Cubs fans are angry. But if they set a late return date, then Cubs fans wonder why that injury takes so long to recover from and then are angry. It appears that nothing will please anybody. Just let the injuries run their course. Prior and Wood will return at some point. But people. Just chill out.

 

I apologize for the but I used it for emphasis.

[snoodmonger]

Prior has been a huge disappointment, as far as I'm concerned. Yes, he's effective when he throws, but this is three straight seasons he's started the season on the DL. I understand he doesn't want to be injured, but the fact is, he is, and his limitless talent isn't doing us much good throwing 20-pitch side-sessions for the first two months of every season.

 

However, it's probably Hendry with whom I should be most angry. He keeps on putting all his eggs in the pitching basket, when two key parts of the rotation haven't shown the ability to consistently answer the bell. Maybe it's time to reassess your plan, Jimbo.

 

Respectfully, it's not Hendry's fault at all. Fact is - it's no one's fault. If your wife slams your finger in the car door, it just sucks, and if you yelled at your wife, you'd look like an $#@, wouldn't you? Injuries suck, don't blame Prior, don't blame Hendry. If anything, just hate the curse.

 

Huh? I don't think your analogy makes sense. I'm not blaming Hendry for Prior/Wood's injuries. I'm blaming Hendry for repeatedly building a team who's success is based on the health of two pitchers who can't stay healthy. It would be one thing if they were perennial horses. But Wood and, to a lesser degree Prior, are proving to be pretty fragile.

[DiamondMind]

Sorry, I guess it doesnt make too much sense. Heh. My wife actually *did* slam my finger today so I guess I was trying to reach for an analogy. My point was that when injuries or accidents happen, it just sucks, you can't just point at the person in charge and blame them.

 

However in some cases, and in this case, I think its preventable. When Jon said it seems like the Cubs can do no right - I just don't care. All I care about is seeing W's. We can make all the excuses in the book and so can the Cubs, the point is we're still failing.

[USSoccer]

Jon, I'm not slamming the Cubs. I'm questioning Prior and questioning why 2 relatively minor things have sidelined him and set him back 5 months. There's no reason a shoulder strain and a flu like virus should be worse to come back from than shoulder surgery and a knee surgery. He should be back pitching, he should have been pitching a long time ago. He's not. I don't think any of it is the Cubs' fault, because I think they're probably as frustrated as anyone.

[soapy]

According to the Daily Herald (Bruce), he's now recovering from food poisoning.

 

:?

 

Edit: http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/story.asp?id=185051

[CubinNY]

I don't want to hear anything about Prior until he is scheduled to pitch in the minors.