2007 Draft Class

[Mephistopheles]

payne? yuck....

[RammyFanny]

anyways Im thinking Brackman will be #1 on the Cubs board.

 

I could totally see that. I definitely don't think Wieters is #1.

 

I don't personally know Wilken's draft record extensively, but I remember reading that he's known for liking college hitters (and that's how he helped build up Toronto or something.)

[CaliforniaRaisin]

anyways Im thinking Brackman will be #1 on the Cubs board.

 

I could totally see that. I definitely don't think Wieters is #1.

 

I don't personally know Wilken's draft record extensively, but I remember reading that he's known for liking college hitters (and that's how he helped build up Toronto or something.)

 

Mephistopheles listed the exact reason why I think the Cubs would prefer Brackman to Price and Weiters. Brackman reminds me of Samardzija, who Wilken had number-1 overall. I could see Price at #1 on his board.

[NCCubFan]

I Thought I remembered hearing that he would porbably go first round, but if he slips we should probably pick him up with our sandwhich pick.

 

Is it a fact now that we'll not be at 31?

 

Edt: Take that back, Julio Borbon from Tennessee is the guy I was thinking about, not Payne. I'm not sure where Payne's projected.

 

Borbon's injury may make him slip into the 2nd or even 3rd round. Both he and Arencibia have been injured, causing Tennessee to struggle badly, and likely causing a drop for all 3 of UT's 1st round hopefuls (Adkins, Borbon, and Arencibia)

Is Borbon any relation to the Pdero Borbons? If so, he has some good bloodlines.

[Hosak8]

I Thought I remembered hearing that he would porbably go first round, but if he slips we should probably pick him up with our sandwhich pick.

 

Is it a fact now that we'll not be at 31?

 

Edt: Take that back, Julio Borbon from Tennessee is the guy I was thinking about, not Payne. I'm not sure where Payne's projected.

 

Borbon's injury may make him slip into the 2nd or even 3rd round. Both he and Arencibia have been injured, causing Tennessee to struggle badly, and likely causing a drop for all 3 of UT's 1st round hopefuls (Adkins, Borbon, and Arencibia)

 

Adkins has been great so far this season plus he's a lefty, I don't see why he'd drop.

 

I'd hardly call Adkins season so far "great". I'd call it solid or even good, but great is a stretch. His losses have come to a decent FSU team and Eastern Michigan. He pitched lights out against IPFW, not so well against UIC, and then very good against Siena. Point is, he's not beaten anyone so far this year, and his very good numbers have come primarily at the hands of teams that shouldn't be in games against UT. However, I acknowledge that he's done alot of this without his All American catcher and All American CF, and for a team that has struggled big time.

 

Adkins is not a top 10 pick right now, as BA had him listed before the season. However, the season is young, and a great conference season should elevate him back near the top. Right now, he isn't quite there. By June, he may very well be.

 

Arencibia's injury will cost him, as will Borbon's.

[illiniguy]

I think we end up with Weiters. The Rays take Price. The Royals are trying to stockpile pitching they will take Brackmann. Then we get the third guy. I like our spot.

[Mephistopheles]

Adkins is not a top 10 pick right now, as BA had him listed before the season. However, the season is young, and a great conference season should elevate him back near the top. Right now, he isn't quite there. By June, he may very well be.

 

Arencibia's injury will cost him, as will Borbon's.

 

Huh? Adkins was never listed as a top ten pick. I don't believe BA had him in the first round at all before the season. He was in the top ten for college prospects of his class before last season. I do think he's rising fast. He had a great freshman season with Ks. His ratios were all the same the next season and thus far he's made strides with the biggest hole in his game - the walks. Granted he hasn't started the meat of his SEC schedule and that's going to mean a lot to where he goes.

 

Adkins is out to a great start. Weak competition? Probably. Does he have the stuff to be a first rounder? Absolutely. He's a 6'6" lefty with a 90 MPH fastball and a knockout breaking pitch. He's going to go relatively early. Top ten? Probably not. He's gotta be the fourth rated lefty starter behind:

 

1. David Price

2. Joe Savery

3. Nick Schmidt

 

Is that going to sneak him into picks 25-30? Maybe to a team who wants a guy who can move fast. If his K:BB makes it through the SEC schedule over 3:00, I'd be shocked if he's not gone in the first round.

[The Q]

HE's probably more like 6th behind St. Clair and Moskos. Teams think both of those guys could have futures as starters.

[Mephistopheles]

i wasnt considering either of them, but who knows about cole's status. he can say what he want but it's mid march and he's yet to debut.

[davearm]

I think we end up with Weiters. The Rays take Price. The Royals are trying to stockpile pitching they will take Brackmann. Then we get the third guy. I like our spot.

I sure hope it goes that way myself.

 

A big key will be for all three guys to remain healthy and continue to dominate for the rest of the college season. I'd like the third spot a whole lot less if one of those three guys fell down the boards for whatever reason. You're looking at either a HS kid or a bit of a reach for a college pitcher after the "big 3".

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

I hope Brackman isn't the Cubs #1 choice. Theres way too much of a fetish for freakishly tall pitchers in this franchise that are more project than polish (not that Brackman is RAW, but he's raw).

 

Price is easily the best player in this draft IMO. Big, power lefty with a plus breaking pitch with plus plus potential. He's starting to throw strikes with his stuff, and he's dominating far more than Andrew Miller ever was.

 

The way I see it, if Price was in last years draft...Miller would be the #2 prospect.

[davearm]

I hope Brackman isn't the Cubs #1 choice. Theres way too much of a fetish for freakishly tall pitchers in this franchise that are more project than polish (not that Brackman is RAW, but he's raw).

 

Price is easily the best player in this draft IMO. Big, power lefty with a plus breaking pitch with plus plus potential. He's starting to throw strikes with his stuff, and he's dominating far more than Andrew Miller ever was.

 

The way I see it, if Price was in last years draft...Miller would be the #2 prospect.

It's worth noting that top prospect or not, Miller didn't get taken until the #6 pick. That leaves at least a glimmer of hope that guys won't come off the board in exact order of their ranking this year, either.

[illiniguy]

I hope Brackman isn't the Cubs #1 choice. Theres way too much of a fetish for freakishly tall pitchers in this franchise that are more project than polish (not that Brackman is RAW, but he's raw).

 

Price is easily the best player in this draft IMO. Big, power lefty with a plus breaking pitch with plus plus potential. He's starting to throw strikes with his stuff, and he's dominating far more than Andrew Miller ever was.

 

The way I see it, if Price was in last years draft...Miller would be the #2 prospect.

I want the impact bat. We haven't come up with one of them on our own forever.

[imb]

I hope Brackman isn't the Cubs #1 choice. Theres way too much of a fetish for freakishly tall pitchers in this franchise that are more project than polish (not that Brackman is RAW, but he's raw).

 

Price is easily the best player in this draft IMO. Big, power lefty with a plus breaking pitch with plus plus potential. He's starting to throw strikes with his stuff, and he's dominating far more than Andrew Miller ever was.

 

The way I see it, if Price was in last years draft...Miller would be the #2 prospect.

I want the impact bat. We haven't come up with one of them on our own forever.

 

Hello, Ryan Harvey anyone?

[illiniguy]

I hope Brackman isn't the Cubs #1 choice. Theres way too much of a fetish for freakishly tall pitchers in this franchise that are more project than polish (not that Brackman is RAW, but he's raw).

 

Price is easily the best player in this draft IMO. Big, power lefty with a plus breaking pitch with plus plus potential. He's starting to throw strikes with his stuff, and he's dominating far more than Andrew Miller ever was.

 

The way I see it, if Price was in last years draft...Miller would be the #2 prospect.

I want the impact bat. We haven't come up with one of them on our own forever.

 

Hello, Ryan Harvey anyone?

Right I mean impact bats who hit higher than .220 and even draw a walk or two.

[imb]

Sounds crazy to me

[YearofDaCubs]

I hope Brackman isn't the Cubs #1 choice. Theres way too much of a fetish for freakishly tall pitchers in this franchise that are more project than polish (not that Brackman is RAW, but he's raw).

 

Price is easily the best player in this draft IMO. Big, power lefty with a plus breaking pitch with plus plus potential. He's starting to throw strikes with his stuff, and he's dominating far more than Andrew Miller ever was.

 

The way I see it, if Price was in last years draft...Miller would be the #2 prospect.

I want the impact bat. We haven't come up with one of them on our own forever.

Agreed. It would be nice to see onr drafted for a change.

[Chocolate Milk]

The Onion

[craig]

Well given the parallels between Andrew Brackman and Jeff Samardzija (i think they are essentially the same person), it seems to me like the writing is on the wall. ...

 

How close do you think the parallels are? I know they are both fast, tall (although big difference there), fast, and two-sport. Are there parallels beyond that?

 

When Wilken was talking up samardz, he buzzed about four things: fastball movement, slider potential, control, and velocity. I'm not sure his past demonstrated very many of those projected virtues (certainly not the slider or plus-plus control that Wilken seemed to project for him, and I'm not sure the sink and run and movement on a couple of his fastball permutations.)

 

From what you've read or seen, do you figure that Wilken will also scout/project Brackman was as an excellent control pitcher with a lot of sink/tail to his fastball? And if Brackman is essentially the same person, does he also scout as being a slider dude like Samardz? I can't remember. I know I recall reading one report about Brackman and a splitter, but I also recall talk about a different breaking pitch, but I can't recall whether that was slider (like Sam) or was a curve.

 

I agree, by the way, that Brackman seems the most likely guy for the Cubs. Assuming Price is gone, I'd think the Cubs tend to prefer big-stuff pitchers, and I'm not sure Wieters really fits what the Cubs may prefer in position players, since he's going to be limited to catcher/corners and he K's a lot. So assuming Price is gone, I'd think Brackman might be the Cubs preferred choice over Wieters if they have that choice, and since it may well be that Price and Wieters will both be gone by the time they pick anyway.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

My money is on the Cubs taking Burgess.

[Danny82]

I agree, by the way, that Brackman seems the most likely guy for the Cubs. Assuming Price is gone, I'd think the Cubs tend to prefer big-stuff pitchers, and I'm not sure Wieters really fits what the Cubs may prefer in position players, since he's going to be limited to catcher/corners and he K's a lot.

 

Do we really know, at this point, what the Cubs prefer in the draft now that Wilken is in charge? I guess the real question is how much autonomy he has in his picks. I have to think quite a bit or else he wouldn't have come here. Has he exhibited a tendency to prefer "big stuff" pitchers in his drafts with TB and Toronto? If I recall correctly, most of his big successes in those organizations have been more or less with position players. I'm sure I am missing something, but what, other than his love of Jeff S. and drafting Nieman (sp?) would make him likely to prefer Brackman over Wieters?

[RammyFanny]

Price vs. Ole Miss

 

10 IP (that's Dusty ball), 4 h, 2 er, 2 BB, 2 HBP, 14 K's.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Price vs. Ole Miss

 

10 IP (that's Dusty ball), 4 h, 2 er, 2 BB, 2 HBP, 14 K's.

 

There's just no chance Price falls to the 3 pick. None. He's gonna be a good one.

[Mephistopheles]

Price vs. Ole Miss

 

10 IP (that's Dusty ball), 4 h, 2 er, 2 BB, 2 HBP, 14 K's.

 

There's just no chance Price falls to the 3 pick. None. He's gonna be a good one.

 

except he did last year, all the way to number six.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

Well then lets hope we get as lucky as the Tigers did.

 

We're already halfway there, cause he only has to fall two spots instead of 5.