Spitballing complaint from LaRussa?

[Andy]

Standard hypocrisy from LaRussa. When Tavarez's cap was checked(and he was thrown out for it) he went nuts.

 

Pot meet TLR.

 

Indeed. Tony and hypocrisy go way back together.

I can only imagine how he would've reacted had Maddux plunked Edmonds, knowing his past history with intentional HBP's.

[badger1679666666]

Standard hypocrisy from LaRussa. When Tavarez's cap was checked(and he was thrown out for it) he went nuts.

 

Pot meet TLR.

 

Indeed. Tony and hypocrisy go way back together.

I can only imagine how he would've reacted had Maddux plunked Edmonds, knowing his past history with intentional HBP's.

 

No real point in Maddux doing it. Now if only Novoa/Big Z or someone with a 95+ MPH fast ball plunked him in the ribs, that would be just swell.

[ronsanto10]

see my sig please..... :wink:

I hope Mark Buehrle was watching (whoever he is).

[radarluv1]

Standard hypocrisy from LaRussa. When Tavarez's cap was checked(and he was thrown out for it) he went nuts.

 

Pot meet TLR.

 

Indeed. Tony and hypocrisy go way back together.

I can only imagine how he would've reacted had Maddux plunked Edmonds, knowing his past history with intentional HBP's.

 

has maddux ever intentionally hit someone? or are u just talking about edmonds being Zs target?

[Bruno7481]

Everyone calm down. I'm not particularly fond of LaRussa either, but he's doing his job. I odn't think Maddux was doing anything, but if LaRussa wants to have the ball checked, no big deal to me.

 

Somebody brought up Penny, I watched him the other night. During my college days it was pretty easy to take the mound with a freshly hair gelled head. Once you get out there and work up a sweat all you have to do is take your hat off and rub your hands through the back of your head. I tried it a few times and didn't like it. Other guys would swear by it. It is all part of the game.

[BeerHere]

Everyone calm down. I'm not particularly fond of LaRussa either, but he's doing his job. I odn't think Maddux was doing anything, but if LaRussa wants to have the ball checked, no big deal to me.

 

Somebody brought up Penny, I watched him the other night. During my college days it was pretty easy to take the mound with a freshly hair gelled head. Once you get out there and work up a sweat all you have to do is take your hat off and rub your hands through the back of your head. I tried it a few times and didn't like it. Other guys would swear by it. It is all part of the game.

 

I knew guys that tried it as well. Of the three, only one said he could control the ball better with something on his fingers. I never had good enough control to try it.

[Andy]

Standard hypocrisy from LaRussa. When Tavarez's cap was checked(and he was thrown out for it) he went nuts.

 

Pot meet TLR.

 

Indeed. Tony and hypocrisy go way back together.

I can only imagine how he would've reacted had Maddux plunked Edmonds, knowing his past history with intentional HBP's.

 

has maddux ever intentionally hit someone? or are u just talking about edmonds being Zs target?

"His" meant LaRussa's referencing a book that came out last August (or August 2004, I can't remember). That's my fault, wasn't clear.

[Roast]

Someone mentioned it earlier, but I was SO hoping Maddux would ask to have the ball checked the next innin. I was sure he was going to, as much of a prankster as Maddux is. Brenly also had a great quote while that was happening. Something along the lines of:

 

"Batters will play tricks on the pitcher like that. And Sometimes the pitcher will play tricks right back, say 'you want to see the ball, i'll give you a real close view"

 

Or something. I laughed.

[Mark_R]

I am a loser.

[soccer10k]

I don't think it was a big deal at all. I do think it was stupid to do it to Maddux because, as other people said, Maddux isn't going to be rattled by it. Now if you did it to Z, he might go crazy. I guarantee that if Edmonds had done it to Z that Z would have plunked him on the next pitch.

[KatJ]

Standard hypocrisy from LaRussa. When Tavarez's cap was checked(and he was thrown out for it) he went nuts.

 

Pot meet TLR.

 

No kidding, that's just what I was thinking. TLR is one of the biggest crybabies in the league. I hope he and Boras go bankrupt someday.

[jjgman21]

Standard hypocrisy from LaRussa. When Tavarez's cap was checked(and he was thrown out for it) he went nuts.

 

Pot meet TLR.

 

No kidding, that's just what I was thinking. TLR is one of the biggest crybabies in the league. I hope he and Boras go bankrupt someday.

 

cry about other teams signaling from the scoreboard...when his own team got busted for it a couple years back

cry about (and start a beanball war over) signaling pitches by the runner at second base...when his own team does it more that anyone else, and considers sign stealing a matter of pride

cry about every close call on the diamond....when his team gets more calls than anyone

 

 

but what I don't get is this. he argues more than any manager in baseball, including balls and strikes from the dugout. nearly everyone of his players, including the crappy ones, complain after every called strike...yet he and his team keeps getting close calls on the bases and the benefit of the calls on the corners of the strikezone.

 

why didn't it work that way for Moises Alou when he wore a big red C?

[FergieJ31]

see my sig please..... :wink:

I hope Mark Buehrle was watching (whoever he is).

 

hehe you got the gist of my jest :D

 

who'da thunk maddux would be 4-0 at this point with big Z 0-1? what bizzaro world are we in anyway?

[KatJ]

but what I don't get is this. he argues more than any manager in baseball, including balls and strikes from the dugout. nearly everyone of his players, including the crappy ones, complain after every called strike...yet he and his team keeps getting close calls on the bases and the benefit of the calls on the corners of the strikezone.

 

why didn't it work that way for Moises Alou when he wore a big red C?

 

Maybe b/c LaRussa is also a lawyer? Perhaps he's (1) especially gifted at arguing, or (2) knows where the bodies are buried w/the umps, as the result of good research.

 

Just spitballing here... ;-)

[soccer10k]

see my sig please..... :wink:

I hope Mark Buehrle was watching (whoever he is).

 

hehe you got the gist of my jest :D

 

who'da thunk maddux would be 4-0 at this point with big Z 0-1? what bizzaro world are we in anyway?

 

As long as Prior and Wood are injured I wouldn't say we're in a bizarro world. But I do see your point. I didn't expect Maddux and Z start off the way they did.

[MPrior]

Okay - a manager and his team trying to throw off a pitcher who's cruising through their lineup is one thing, and I guess okay, even if it is a bit tacky. But to repetitively insinuate that the pitcher is cheating is downright classless. And if TLR was only doing it to "mess with Maddux's head," I have even less respect for him. If he was just whining about being owned by Maddux, that's just him being a sore loser, which, while laffable, is no big deal. But calling a player's integrity into question multiple times, even after the ball has been inspected and shown to be clean, for the sole purpose of messing with him, is something to be ashamed of.

[soccer10k]

Okay - a manager and his team trying to throw off a pitcher who's cruising through their lineup is one thing, and I guess okay, even if it is a bit tacky. But to repetitively insinuate that the pitcher is cheating is downright classless. And if TLR was only doing it to "mess with Maddux's head," I have even less respect for him. If he was just whining about being owned by Maddux, that's just him being a sore loser, which, while laffable, is no big deal. But calling a player's integrity into question multiple times, even after the ball has been inspected and shown to be clean, for the sole purpose of messing with him, is something to be ashamed of.

 

That's an excellent point. Doing it once is one thing, but doing it twice is just stupid.

[CubinNY]

It is beyoond the bounds of playing the game the right way. Now if there is evidence to suggest a pitcher is doctoring the ball that is on thing, but it was clear he wasn't.

 

LaRussa is lucky he didn't put one of his players in Jeopardy. A lesser human being (like myself) would have earholed the first batter after two outs and no one on.

 

What TLR did was well beyond the bounds of gamesmenship.

[LoneStarCubFan]

The Genius's High School Harry Act is really wearing thin.

[Jehrico]

To everyone who thinks TLR was just trying to break up Madduxes rhythm and give his team a chance to get back into the ballgame...I don't buy it. There have been more complaints of cheating from the Cardinals against us in the last few years (headhunting, doctoring the ball, stealing signs, etc), than the rest of the league has levied against us combined. This is a routine thing with TLR, he can't stand to lose to the Cubs, and always looks to find an excuse. I don't recall him doing this sort of thing as often against other teams as he does against us. It's juvenile and stupid, and his track record suggests it goes beyond just trying to mess with Maddux and get his guys back in the game.

[daske17]

[opening can of worms] So should opposing managers have asked the umps to check for steroids every time McGwire or Canseco came up in Larussa's lineups? You know, for gamemanship? [/opening can of worms]

[Jehrico]

[opening can of worms] So should opposing managers have asked the umps to check for steroids every time McGwire or Canseco came up in Larussa's lineups? You know, for gamemanship? [/opening can of worms]

 

I hate the excuse, but technically, thanks to Selig's lack of a reaction to the growing trend of roids at the time, steroids weren't illegal back then, and there was nothing the umps could have done.

 

That's a good point...two of the most well-known Roids abusers both played for TLR, as TLR was Oaklands manager back in the day. If you really want to open a can of worms, how about this...maybe that's why they (the Cards under TLR) always used to get all-star performances from washed-up has beens. If they can't seem to get something like that this year or the next, I'll really begin to wonder...

[daske17]

[opening can of worms] So should opposing managers have asked the umps to check for steroids every time McGwire or Canseco came up in Larussa's lineups? You know, for gamemanship? [/opening can of worms]

 

I hate the excuse, but technically, thanks to Selig's lack of a reaction to the growing trend of roids at the time, steroids weren't illegal back then, and there was nothing the umps could have done.

 

I know, but for someone who accuses the Cubs of cheating at every turn, there's a little saying about people who live in glass houses.

 

Even if it wasn't illegal, it was cheating.

[biittner77]

Maybe the Cubs should check somebodies bat next time

[wolf stansson]

You guys are funny.

 

 

Here's the score for everyone who is scoring at home but is unable to look at anything unbiased:

 

The Cubs and Cardinals are both guilty of throwing at each other's batters. Both managers pull this crap with opposing pitchers. Last year I thought Dusty was going to charge the mound on Carp. Insinuating that Tony promotes steroid use among his players is ludicrous. Acting like this issue between Tony and Maddux is a big deal is dumb. It's not. It's a result of a bunch of you people hating Tony. Nothing more.