4/8 Cubs/Dead Birds 1:20 CSN, Z!/Carp

[Outshined_One]

I don't know. He's bobbled or double clutched just about every play. He's got to get used to charging the ball with Wrigley's long grass.

 

I think it's fine to expect that with time. SS is an error-prone position and Cedeno seems to have the ability to make hard plays. He just needs to settle down when it comes to the routine ones, which I think will happen, given time.

Edited April 8, 2006 by Outshined_One

[Fred Hornkohl]

Pierre grounded out to second, 4-3

[rawaction]

Cedeno doubled down the left field line

 

Nice way to atone for his mistake. :D

 

how many errors is he going to have at the end of the season (assuming full time duty)?

 

I'd guess 35. I'd be more, but the Wrigley scorer is generous (should have had 1 or 2 yesterday).

 

35 is a bit much. I'd guess he'll get better as the season goes on. He'll have 20 easily though, if he starts 140+ games.

 

I don't know. He's bobbled or double clutched just about every play. He's got to get used to charging the ball with Wrigley's long grass.

 

And he will. He's still a pretty raw fielder. I'd guess about 24-27 errors this year. He's still gonna be a great defender.

[RyCubsFan]

Cedeno doubled down the left field line

 

Nice way to atone for his mistake. :D

 

how many errors is he going to have at the end of the season (assuming full time duty)?

 

I'd guess 35. I'd be more, but the Wrigley scorer is generous (should have had 1 or 2 yesterday).

 

Why are you so critical of Cedeno?

 

And where is this one or two errors he should have had yesterday? You are referring to his double clutches...your logic doesn't make sense. Wrigley grass slows down the ball, so if it was outside of Wrigley, the ball would have come to him faster and he would have had MORE time to throw, not less.

 

Ronnie is going to be a very good defensive shortstop. He already has one of the best ranges of EVERY shortstop in the majors. He also has a cannon for an arm. he's a rookie...allow his tools to develop.

 

I would say he'll have much less than 35 errors this year.

[Fred Hornkohl]

BOTTOM OF THE FIFTH INNING

 

Zambrano struck out swinging

Pierre grounded out to second, 4-3

Walker struck out (called)

 

0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 men left on base

 

              1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9    R H E
St Louis      0 0 0 0 0            0 3 0 
CUBS          0 0 0 0 0            0 4 1 

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Carpenter with 82 pitches so far; Zambrano with 69.

[Outshined_One]

In other news, Carp and Z are both dealing now. Yikes!

[RyCubsFan]

Cedeno doubled down the left field line

 

Nice way to atone for his mistake. :D

 

how many errors is he going to have at the end of the season (assuming full time duty)?

 

I'd guess 35. I'd be more, but the Wrigley scorer is generous (should have had 1 or 2 yesterday).

 

35 is a bit much. I'd guess he'll get better as the season goes on. He'll have 20 easily though, if he starts 140+ games.

 

I don't know. He's bobbled or double clutched just about every play. He's got to get used to charging the ball with Wrigley's long grass.

 

He double clutched TWICE....both were in the first 3 innings of play. He had MANY chances.

[soccer10k]

Both Z and Carpenter seem to be cruising right now. Anybody have a pitchcount on Carp?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

81 thru 6

[soccer10k]

Carpenter with 82 pitches so far; Zambrano with 69.

 

You read my mind vance.

[Derwood]

Glad I'm not getting paid millions to go 0 for 4 today.

[Flames24Rulz]

4th K for Zambrano.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Rodriguez struck out swinging

[cuubs4life]

hey transmogrified tiger, a little off subject but who are thos pics of in your sig?

[Outshined_One]

He double clutched TWICE....both were in the first 3 innings of play. He had MANY chances.

 

I would also like to point out that those two double clutches occurred when he had plenty of time to make a play and was getting a better grip on the ball so as to not screw it up. Double clutching is fine in that situation.

 

When it comes to faster guys on the basepaths, though, I'd hope he avoids taking that approach.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Cedeno doubled down the left field line

 

Nice way to atone for his mistake. :D

 

how many errors is he going to have at the end of the season (assuming full time duty)?

 

I'd guess 35. I'd be more, but the Wrigley scorer is generous (should have had 1 or 2 yesterday).

 

Why are you so critical of Cedeno?

 

And where is this one or two errors he should have had yesterday? You are referring to his double clutches...your logic doesn't make sense. Wrigley grass slows down the ball, so if it was outside of Wrigley, the ball would have come to him faster and he would have had MORE time to throw, not less.

 

Ronnie is going to be a very good defensive shortstop. He already has one of the best ranges of EVERY shortstop in the majors. He also has a cannon for an arm. he's a rookie...allow his tools to develop.

 

I would say he'll have much less than 35 errors this year.

 

Did you even watch the game? Cedeno did great at the plate and piss poor in the field. That's fine, but his label for a long time was a "glove only man." I expect more from our "slick fielding shortstop."

 

OMG, "one of the best ranges of EVERY shortstop in the majors?" Get real.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Pujols grounded out to short, 6-3

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

He double clutched TWICE....both were in the first 3 innings of play. He had MANY chances.

 

I would also like to point out that those two double clutches occurred when he had plenty of time to make a play and was getting a better grip on the ball so as to not screw it up. Double clutching is fine in that situation.

 

When it comes to faster guys on the basepaths, though, I'd hope he avoids taking that approach.

 

He also threw the ball away after double clutching. It's baffling why he wasn't charged with an error.

[Jon]

hey transmogrified tiger, a little off subject but who are thos pics of in your sig?

It's Sean Marshall, Eric Patterson, and Sean Gallagher.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Z has nice movement today.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Edmonds walked

[rawaction]

Cedeno doubled down the left field line

 

Nice way to atone for his mistake. :D

 

how many errors is he going to have at the end of the season (assuming full time duty)?

 

I'd guess 35. I'd be more, but the Wrigley scorer is generous (should have had 1 or 2 yesterday).

 

Why are you so critical of Cedeno?

 

And where is this one or two errors he should have had yesterday? You are referring to his double clutches...your logic doesn't make sense. Wrigley grass slows down the ball, so if it was outside of Wrigley, the ball would have come to him faster and he would have had MORE time to throw, not less.

 

Ronnie is going to be a very good defensive shortstop. He already has one of the best ranges of EVERY shortstop in the majors. He also has a cannon for an arm. he's a rookie...allow his tools to develop.

 

I would say he'll have much less than 35 errors this year.

 

Did you even watch the game? Cedeno did great at the plate and piss poor in the field. That's fine, but his label for a long time was a "glove only man." I expect more from our "slick fielding shortstop."

 

OMG, "one of the best ranges of EVERY shortstop in the majors?" Get real.

 

I agree with him. Cedeno is up there in range, simply by the fact he has long legs and is one of the youngest SS in the league. I'd say only Furcal is clearly above Cedeno in terms of pure range.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

WTF happened there?!?!?!

[RyCubsFan]

Cedeno doubled down the left field line

 

Nice way to atone for his mistake. :D

 

how many errors is he going to have at the end of the season (assuming full time duty)?

 

I'd guess 35. I'd be more, but the Wrigley scorer is generous (should have had 1 or 2 yesterday).

 

Why are you so critical of Cedeno?

 

And where is this one or two errors he should have had yesterday? You are referring to his double clutches...your logic doesn't make sense. Wrigley grass slows down the ball, so if it was outside of Wrigley, the ball would have come to him faster and he would have had MORE time to throw, not less.

 

Ronnie is going to be a very good defensive shortstop. He already has one of the best ranges of EVERY shortstop in the majors. He also has a cannon for an arm. he's a rookie...allow his tools to develop.

 

I would say he'll have much less than 35 errors this year.

 

Did you even watch the game? Cedeno did great at the plate and piss poor in the field. That's fine, but his label for a long time was a "glove only man." I expect more from our "slick fielding shortstop."

 

OMG, "one of the best ranges of EVERY shortstop in the majors?" Get real.

 

I did watch the game. And you're jumping on him for TWO double clutches early in the game...both on throws he had a fair amount of time on to complete.

 

Did you watch the game? If so, you have seen the very nice double play that he and Neifi completed. Without Cedeno's arm, the double play is NOT turned.

 

You would have also seen him range WAY out into leftfield on a pop up. And you would have seen him make a half dozen chances (after the first two double clutches) that he handled very smoothly.

 

Even Neifi, who presumeably would want to start at SS everyday, has praise for Cedeno's defense and defensive potential.

 

Stop hatin' on Ronnie just for the sake of it!