Zambranos antics continue

[Andy]

I want Z to remain passionate and excitable out there on the mound, so long as he never directs it at an umpire to get himself thrown out, or at his teammates to get himself distanced from the clubhouse. I love the way Z plays and if it makes Cardinals and Sox fans hate him more, so much the sweeter when he schools them again the next time he pitches against them. :)

 

I like Z's passion too, but when it gets him ejected from games that doesn't help him or the team.

 

By the way, he was ejected last year for ridiculing the home plate umpire. He has already turned his temper on the umpires.

I know that. I'm saying he needs to stop that and stick to showing emotion in his own direction.

[A New Era]

Zambrano, I sense much fear in you. . . Fear leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. . :lol:

[Slugger_16]

I don't see the big deal about it. He gets mad and curses when he's struggling. A lot of pitchers do that. A lot of batters get mad when they strike out and toss or break their bats, what's wrong with that?

 

Yeah, his anger probably doesn't help matters much at times, but this isn't a Zambrano-only thing. This happens to most players at times when things aren't going well.

 

I WOULD be worried if Z starts doing this though:

 

http://www.jonmdavis.net/zexplode.jpg

[srbin84]

I want Z to remain passionate and excitable out there on the mound, so long as he never directs it at an umpire to get himself thrown out, or at his teammates to get himself distanced from the clubhouse. I love the way Z plays and if it makes Cardinals and Sox fans hate him more, so much the sweeter when he schools them again the next time he pitches against them. :)

 

I love watching Z show guys up after a big K, especially when they are Cardinals.

[Jon]

I want Z to remain passionate and excitable out there on the mound, so long as he never directs it at an umpire to get himself thrown out, or at his teammates to get himself distanced from the clubhouse. I love the way Z plays and if it makes Cardinals and Sox fans hate him more, so much the sweeter when he schools them again the next time he pitches against them. :)

 

I like Z's passion too, but when it gets him ejected from games that doesn't help him or the team.

 

By the way, he was ejected last year for ridiculing the home plate umpire. He has already turned his temper on the umpires.

He had already left the game on opening day when he made those comments. And against St. Louis, he was about to leave that game, too. It's not like he's getting tossed a few times a season in the third inning.

[srbin84]

I want Z to remain passionate and excitable out there on the mound, so long as he never directs it at an umpire to get himself thrown out, or at his teammates to get himself distanced from the clubhouse. I love the way Z plays and if it makes Cardinals and Sox fans hate him more, so much the sweeter when he schools them again the next time he pitches against them. :)

 

I love watching Z show guys up after a big K, especially when they are Cardinals, and he bats too so if they can hit him if they dont like it. Z knows it too, but he also knows if you give him something to hit, he'll rope a double off your azz and smile. I can't wait for that first Edmonds-Z matchup.

[Soul]

I want Z to remain passionate and excitable out there on the mound, so long as he never directs it at an umpire to get himself thrown out, or at his teammates to get himself distanced from the clubhouse. I love the way Z plays and if it makes Cardinals and Sox fans hate him more, so much the sweeter when he schools them again the next time he pitches against them. :)

 

I like Z's passion too, but when it gets him ejected from games that doesn't help him or the team.

 

By the way, he was ejected last year for ridiculing the home plate umpire. He has already turned his temper on the umpires.

He had already left the game on opening day when he made those comments. And against St. Louis, he was about to leave that game, too. It's not like he's getting tossed a few times a season in the third inning.

 

That makes it OK?

 

Look, I *love* Z too. I just want him to grow up a little bit and direct his emotions better. That's all.

[Shilzzz]

so, am i the only one that thinks that same fire is what makes him good more often than bad? as long as he plays like he does, i'll be okay with it. that kind of quality, occasional emotional breakdown innings included, is hard to come by - especially with the innings he puts up(knock on wood, no pun intended).

[Outshined_One]

How many games did Z get ejected from last year because of his antics? Was it just on opening day in Arizona?

 

Also, Zambrano doesn't swear nearly as much as Maddux does while on the mound. Maddux shows me how wrong I am when I think of swear words that seemingly could never go together.

[Jon]

I want Z to remain passionate and excitable out there on the mound, so long as he never directs it at an umpire to get himself thrown out, or at his teammates to get himself distanced from the clubhouse. I love the way Z plays and if it makes Cardinals and Sox fans hate him more, so much the sweeter when he schools them again the next time he pitches against them. :)

 

I like Z's passion too, but when it gets him ejected from games that doesn't help him or the team.

 

By the way, he was ejected last year for ridiculing the home plate umpire. He has already turned his temper on the umpires.

He had already left the game on opening day when he made those comments. And against St. Louis, he was about to leave that game, too. It's not like he's getting tossed a few times a season in the third inning.

 

That makes it OK?

 

Look, I *love* Z too. I just want him to grow up a little bit and direct his emotions better. That's all.

Who doesn't want him to harness it better? But it's not really hurting him more than any pitcher when they lose focus or get upset. And they all do.

 

As others (including Dusty and Carlos himself) have said, it helps him out a lot. He'll be able to control it more as he gets older, but it's not much of a problem.

[stitchface]

I guess my point is I am not going to get worried because he kicks some dirt in ST. who frickin' cares?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I want Z to remain passionate and excitable out there on the mound, so long as he never directs it at an umpire to get himself thrown out, or at his teammates to get himself distanced from the clubhouse. I love the way Z plays and if it makes Cardinals and Sox fans hate him more, so much the sweeter when he schools them again the next time he pitches against them. :)

 

I like Z's passion too, but when it gets him ejected from games that doesn't help him or the team.

 

By the way, he was ejected last year for ridiculing the home plate umpire. He has already turned his temper on the umpires.

He had already left the game on opening day when he made those comments. And against St. Louis, he was about to leave that game, too. It's not like he's getting tossed a few times a season in the third inning.

 

That makes it OK?

 

Look, I *love* Z too. I just want him to grow up a little bit and direct his emotions better. That's all.

 

No, but it's not really a bad thing. Maybe he is harnessing his anger this way - only really letting it out when he's being taken out since he knows it doesn't matter if he's ejected.

[rocket]

i'm just happy because now the cubs pitchers hate the new starting second baseman's defense.

 

helllllllllloooooooooooo neifi!

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Proof positive that Latin players are more emotional. Would Tomo Ohka ever do such a thing? Nope, he'd get back at Cristian Guzman by asking him to solve a tough differentiation problem.

[Mark Priors Calves]

Proof positive that Latin players are more emotional. Would Tomo Ohka ever do such a thing? Nope, he'd get back at Cristian Guzman by asking him to solve a tough differentiation problem.

awesome.

[bc2k]

Running off the mound pumping your fist after striking out Pujols to end the inning of a close game is different than throwing a witch fit because your teammates made a quasi-physical error.

 

Showing up teammates can hurt the team.

 

Showing up umpires can hurt the team.

 

Z letting his emotions dictate his future performance can hurt the team.

 

Grow the heck up, Z.

Edited March 27, 2006 by bc2k

[Drew Doughty]

Proof positive that Latin players are more emotional. Would Tomo Ohka ever do such a thing? Nope, he'd get back at Cristian Guzman by asking him to solve a tough differentiation problem.

 

:lol:

[bc2k]

Proof positive that Latin players are more emotional. Would Tomo Ohka ever do such a thing? Nope, he'd get back at Cristian Guzman by asking him to solve a tough differentiation problem.

 

You bring up a good point. I don't think Zambrano's lack of emotional control is a result of being of Latin descent, but probably does have something to do with being raised in Latin America. The environmental differences between there and the United States are great, and I think had Z grown up here as an American, would have much more control over his emotions, be more analytical on the mound, and possess much more poise and composure.

[Elrhino]

I think Z's emotions have gotten the better of him several times and caused him to turn small incidents into big innings. I recognize how good Z has been, but he can be better. I want him to hit his ceiling, and I think that's his last hurdle.

[fulldeck]

People just look at his win total from last year (14) and his age (24) and think that he's immature. I guarantee that if Zambrano finishes top 5 in the Cy Young this year, nobody will say anything.

 

 

And I hope he drills Edmonds again. He got panned for it but I thought it was appropriate and should win his teammates affection.

 

I remember watching that game. IIRC, Edmonds got plunked once, then hit a HR and Z was yelling at him to go around the bases quicker and then didn't Edmonds get drilled a second time?

 

The thing that bothered me was, Zambrano is young. No matter how good your stuff is you have to earn respect to be able to yell at a veteran for trotting around the bases during a homerun.

 

Usually when someone hits a HR off of Clemens he will make sure they run or else he's likely to throw at them. I don't have much of a problem with this because Clemens has been in the league and has been a top 10 pitcher basically his whole career.

 

I'm not the biggest Cubs fan, just come here to post since it seems much more civil than other Cub fans I've been around. But I do think Zambrano is a terrific pitcher, his emotions may hurt him once in a while, but I think he's just super competitive which is something you want in a pitcher.

 

What you left out was that Edmonds posed and then started the talk as he rounded the bases. He then continued the chatter from the dugout.

 

Way to rewrite history there stitch. Edmonds put his head down and trotted around the bases after a monster shot of a HR. Z was the one following him and yelling at him to run the bases like Rolen. (Both links even quote him as saying this.)

 

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/stl/news/stl_gameday_recap.jsp?ymd=20040719&content_id=804082&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp

 

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/chc/news/chc_gameday_recap.jsp?ymd=20040719&content_id=804099&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp

[Mark Priors Calves]

Proof positive that Latin players are more emotional. Would Tomo Ohka ever do such a thing? Nope, he'd get back at Cristian Guzman by asking him to solve a tough differentiation problem.

 

You bring up a good point. I don't think Zambrano's lack of emotional control is a result of being of Latin descent, but probably does have something to do with being raised in Latin America. The environmental differences between there and the United States are great, and I think had Z grown up here as an American, would have much more control over his emotions, be more analytical on the mound, and possess much more poise and composure.

 

Joe?

[Soul]

I want Z to remain passionate and excitable out there on the mound, so long as he never directs it at an umpire to get himself thrown out, or at his teammates to get himself distanced from the clubhouse. I love the way Z plays and if it makes Cardinals and Sox fans hate him more, so much the sweeter when he schools them again the next time he pitches against them. :)

 

I like Z's passion too, but when it gets him ejected from games that doesn't help him or the team.

 

By the way, he was ejected last year for ridiculing the home plate umpire. He has already turned his temper on the umpires.

He had already left the game on opening day when he made those comments. And against St. Louis, he was about to leave that game, too. It's not like he's getting tossed a few times a season in the third inning.

 

That makes it OK?

 

Look, I *love* Z too. I just want him to grow up a little bit and direct his emotions better. That's all.

Who doesn't want him to harness it better? But it's not really hurting him more than any pitcher when they lose focus or get upset. And they all do.

 

As others (including Dusty and Carlos himself) have said, it helps him out a lot. He'll be able to control it more as he gets older, but it's not much of a problem.

 

I hope so. If he starts directing it at his own teammates when errors are made, or at the Umpires, I think it's out of control at that moment.

 

When he's aggressive with his pitches, gets fired up after a big K, or similar things-----that's the Z I love.

[Catman61]

What you left out was that Edmonds posed and then started the talk as he rounded the bases.

 

Sorry, not true. I taped that game and saved that one in particular because of several claims just like yours. The tale of the tape is a different story.

 

No posing

no words to Zambrano

the only words were FROM Zambrano

[rocket]

What you left out was that Edmonds posed and then started the talk as he rounded the bases.

 

Sorry, not true. I taped that game and saved that one in particular because of several claims just like yours. The tale of the tape is a different story.

 

No posing

no words to Zambrano

the only words were FROM Zambrano

 

I don't get it. Was the camera on Edmonds while he was rounding the bases?

[Catman61]

Hmmm, FSN Midwest, Cardinal station carrying Cardinal game, multiple cameras, instant replay.

 

And lets apply a little logic, if Edmonds is the one that STARTED the barking, is he going to just suddenly STOP? That seems unlikely, so it is POSSIBLE but not probable.