Justice Finally (FKA- Reyes Vs. Ponson )

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

The real problem is the Cards have run away and hid with the division the past 2 years. You have Ponson, who even if he manages to bounce back is still going to be remarkably average, and you have Reyes who has the potential to be very very good. I know you shouldn't get complacent just because you dominated the division the past couple years, but wouldn't this be an ideal situation to break in a yougn guy and let him take his lumps. Especially when you consider the alternative?

 

Reyes will get his shot. We might as well ride Ponson as far as we can. Let Reyes work on pitch selection and location in AAA. Maybe we trade Ponson before the deadline for another outfield bat and bring Reyes up for the stretch run.

 

This really doesn't seem like a big deal to me. The Cardinals have gotten big dividends from reclamation projects before, maybe Duncan can work his magic on Ponson too. Turning mediocre vets' careers around is what he seems to do well.

 

While I'm sure he's large enough to piggy back most of the team, I'm not sure he's got the endurance to go very far.

[Andy]

The real problem is the Cards have run away and hid with the division the past 2 years. You have Ponson, who even if he manages to bounce back is still going to be remarkably average, and you have Reyes who has the potential to be very very good. I know you shouldn't get complacent just because you dominated the division the past couple years, but wouldn't this be an ideal situation to break in a yougn guy and let him take his lumps. Especially when you consider the alternative?

 

Reyes will get his shot. We might as well ride Ponson as far as we can. Let Reyes work on pitch selection and location in AAA. Maybe we trade Ponson before the deadline for another outfield bat and bring Reyes up for the stretch run.

 

This really doesn't seem like a big deal to me. The Cardinals have gotten big dividends from reclamation projects before, maybe Duncan can work his magic on Ponson too. Turning mediocre vets' careers around is what he seems to do well.

 

While I'm sure he's large enough to piggy back most of the team, I'm not sure he's got the endurance to go very far.

The Verdict:

 

Vaball left the door wide open for that one. :)

[Big Z 38]

I just hope the Cubs can take some batting practice off him before he's DFA'd

[vaball]

The real problem is the Cards have run away and hid with the division the past 2 years. You have Ponson, who even if he manages to bounce back is still going to be remarkably average, and you have Reyes who has the potential to be very very good. I know you shouldn't get complacent just because you dominated the division the past couple years, but wouldn't this be an ideal situation to break in a yougn guy and let him take his lumps. Especially when you consider the alternative?

 

Reyes will get his shot. We might as well ride Ponson as far as we can. Let Reyes work on pitch selection and location in AAA. Maybe we trade Ponson before the deadline for another outfield bat and bring Reyes up for the stretch run.

 

This really doesn't seem like a big deal to me. The Cardinals have gotten big dividends from reclamation projects before, maybe Duncan can work his magic on Ponson too. Turning mediocre vets' careers around is what he seems to do well.

 

While I'm sure he's large enough to piggy back most of the team, I'm not sure he's got the endurance to go very far.

 

The Verdict:

 

Vaball left the door wide open for that one. :)

 

As if the door wasn't always open for a Ponson fat joke.

[fulldeck]

I believe Ponson has a no trade clause.

 

Reyes will get his shot. It will be this season. Cards fans need to step away from the ledge.

[wolf stansson]

And so it begins? We shall see...

 

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/F70932C26CDDF91986257141007827D3?OpenDocument

 

Starter Sidney Ponson and reliever Braden Looper had poor outings as the Cardinals lost to the New York Mets 6-1 today in Port St. Lucie, Fla.

 

Ponson, the Cards' No. 5 starter, allowed seven hits and four walks in four innings as the Mets built a 4-1 lead against him.

 

Looper relieved in the fifth but only got two outs before being yanked after allowing three hits, two walks and two runs.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

And so it begins? We shall see...

 

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/F70932C26CDDF91986257141007827D3?OpenDocument

 

Starter Sidney Ponson and reliever Braden Looper had poor outings as the Cardinals lost to the New York Mets 6-1 today in Port St. Lucie, Fla.

 

Ponson, the Cards' No. 5 starter, allowed seven hits and four walks in four innings as the Mets built a 4-1 lead against him.

 

Looper relieved in the fifth but only got two outs before being yanked after allowing three hits, two walks and two runs.

 

Let's hope that's indicative of what his first few starts in the regular season will be.

[vaball]

And so it begins? We shall see...

 

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/F70932C26CDDF91986257141007827D3?OpenDocument

 

Starter Sidney Ponson and reliever Braden Looper had poor outings as the Cardinals lost to the New York Mets 6-1 today in Port St. Lucie, Fla.

 

Ponson, the Cards' No. 5 starter, allowed seven hits and four walks in four innings as the Mets built a 4-1 lead against him.

 

Looper relieved in the fifth but only got two outs before being yanked after allowing three hits, two walks and two runs.

 

Let's hope that's indicative of what his first few starts in the regular season will be.

 

Or not.

[EastonBlues22]

I personally like having Reyes down to start the season. The Cards have a lot of FA pitchers coming up in the near future, and they're going to need some options. Reyes will almost certainly continue to develop no matter where he is...his development is almost a given. However, if they can rescue the career of Ponson, he could become another viable (and potentially much cheaper) option for the Cards down the road. Lets see what we have in Ponson while we have the chance.

 

An average pitcher, at below market price, is not a bad thing to have if you can get one.

[SouthSideRyan]

I personally like having Reyes down to start the season. The Cards have a lot of FA pitchers coming up in the near future, and they're going to need some options. Reyes will almost certainly continue to develop no matter where he is...his development is almost a given. However, if they can rescue the career of Ponson, he could become another viable (and potentially much cheaper) option for the Cards down the road. Lets see what we have in Ponson while we have the chance.

 

An average pitcher, at below market price, is not a bad thing to have if you can get one.

 

It's all a matter of how likely it is that they can rescuse the dried up husk of Ponson's career though. From my viewpoint, it's not too likely.

[Guest]

I personally like having Reyes down to start the season. The Cards have a lot of FA pitchers coming up in the near future, and they're going to need some options. Reyes will almost certainly continue to develop no matter where he is...his development is almost a given. However, if they can rescue the career of Ponson, he could become another viable (and potentially much cheaper) option for the Cards down the road. Lets see what we have in Ponson while we have the chance.

 

An average pitcher, at below market price, is not a bad thing to have if you can get one.

 

It's all a matter of how likely it is that they can rescuse the dried up husk of Ponson's career though. From my viewpoint, it's not too likely.

I think the Cards front office may have more faith in Duncan's ability to rescue Ponson's career than develop Reyes'.

[indifferent]

I personally like having Reyes down to start the season. The Cards have a lot of FA pitchers coming up in the near future, and they're going to need some options. Reyes will almost certainly continue to develop no matter where he is...his development is almost a given. However, if they can rescue the career of Ponson, he could become another viable (and potentially much cheaper) option for the Cards down the road. Lets see what we have in Ponson while we have the chance.

 

An average pitcher, at below market price, is not a bad thing to have if you can get one.

 

It's all a matter of how likely it is that they can rescuse the dried up husk of Ponson's career though. From my viewpoint, it's not too likely.

I think the Cards front office may have more faith in Duncan's ability to rescue Ponson's career than develop Reyes'.

 

Or it's Duncan's preference and call.

[vaball]

I think that at this point it's clear that the Cardinals are just protecting Reyes' value because any day now he will be traded straight up for Miguel Cabrera.

 

[wolf stansson]

Update (all info completely stolen from a thread on Cards Talk):

TBF  K%   BB%   GB%   OF%   IF%   LD%
48   21%  0%    42%   10%   6%    19%

 

OF=Outfield Fly

IF=Infield Fly

LD=Line Drive

 

So far, so good when it comes to ground balls. If he continues at this rate, he'll be a Carpenter clone.

Looks good Longhorn.

 

For those wanting more traditional stats...

 

2.25 era in 12 ip's.

10 hits.

0 walks

10 K's.

 

That's a whip of 1.00 for those who can't do math.

 

Too bad there's no room on the club for him right now. He might be down there a little longer than he needs to be. Could force Ponson to the pen if big Sid struggles at all.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I think that at this point it's clear that the Cardinals are just protecting Reyes' value because any day now he will be traded straight up for Miguel Cabrera.

 

 

:lmao:

 

With the way things are going with Izzy, they may have to trade him for Jose Valverde.

[MPrior]

Looks good Longhorn.

 

For those wanting more traditional stats...

 

2.25 era in 12 ip's.

10 hits.

0 walks

10 K's.

 

That's a whip of 1.00 for those who can't do math.

 

Too bad there's no room on the club for him right now. He might be down there a little longer than he needs to be. Could force Ponson to the pen if big Sid struggles at all.

 

Oh the irony.

[wolf stansson]

Looks good Longhorn.

 

For those wanting more traditional stats...

 

2.25 era in 12 ip's.

10 hits.

0 walks

10 K's.

 

That's a whip of 1.00 for those who can't do math.

 

Too bad there's no room on the club for him right now. He might be down there a little longer than he needs to be. Could force Ponson to the pen if big Sid struggles at all.

 

Oh the irony.

lol.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Ponson has a good line today. I still can't believe Griffey wasn't healthy enough to go considering his history against Ponson.

[K-Town]

Ponson > Zambrano.

 

 

:wink:

[indifferent]

It is time. The Cards rotation outside of Carp is sucking.

[Jake]

It is time. The Cards rotation outside of Carp is sucking.

I kind of liked it tonight! :-)

 

Let's see what happens tomorrow. Why panic. You're still in first place? :-) :-)

 

:ducks:

[BigSlick]

It is time. The Cards rotation outside of Carp is sucking.

I kind of liked it tonight! :-)

 

Let's see what happens tomorrow. Why panic. You're still in first place? :-) :-)

 

:ducks:

 

Yay, Duke got a win despite a 9.00 ERA.

 

I'm happy.

[wolf stansson]

Oh my god! You mean to tell me Ponson's era finally caught up to his horrible peripherals (and waist line)?! I TELL YOU WHAT I DIDN'T SEE THAT ONE COMING!

[Andy]

Oh my god! You mean to tell me Ponson's era finally caught up to his horrible peripherals (and waist line)?! I TELL YOU WHAT I DIDN'T SEE THAT ONE COMING!

I sure didn't. I just assumed he'd do it all year, or at least till he left STL.

[Brian34Cook]

Ponson is sent to bullpen

By Joe Strauss

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

06/18/2006

 

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The Cardinals have notified pitcher Sidney Ponson of at least his temporary assignment to the bullpen while they contemplate promoting Anthony Reyes from Class AAA Memphis to make Thursday's start against the Chicago White Sox.

 

Pitching coach Dave Duncan informed Ponson of the move Friday night, three days after Ponson lasted 3 1/3 innings in a 9-7 loss to the Pittsburgh Pirates.

 

Ponson on Saturday acknowledged being told of the move but had little else to say. Asked if he had anticipated the move, Ponson said, "Not really. ... But I guess they have their reasons."

 

Several factors contributed to the move: Ponson (4-2) has struggled since leaving the disabled list and was recently encouraged to more aggressively participate in pre-game running drills. The Cardinals' previously rock-solid rotation has recently sprung several leaks, dramatically increasing the workload on a stressed bullpen. And, Reyes has impressed at Memphis and in spot starts against the Kansas City Royals and the Houston Astros.

 

Reyes is 4-1 in 11 starts for the Redbirds. His numbers include a 3.04 ERA and 65 strikeouts with just eight walks. He has allowed just 0.97 baserunners per inning.

 

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