Julio Lugo trade talk

[davearm]

Just say no the mediocre wife abuser please.

 

And before you tell me he was exonerated, think what one might be willing to do if their soon-to-be-millionare husband threatened to dump them if they didn't retract the charges.

So let me get this straight. You think she retracted the charges because of money? Why didn't she just settle a lawsuit and save herself the trouble of being with some guy who's abusing her? There's a lot of ways she could have cashed in on that situation without actually staying in the relationship.

 

IIRC, a victim severely exaggerating or even making up claims is pretty commonplace as well.

This is true...but then definitively calling him a "wife abuser" would be somewhere between an embellishment and slander, wouldn't it?

The story I seem to recall hearing is that Lugo physically assaulted his wife in the stadium parking lot, in front of the team bus and in view of many team personnel.

 

The Astros moved swiftly to suspend him, and then shortly thereafter, they released him.

 

Regardless of the ultimate disposition of the resulting criminal case, it seems abundantly clear that whatever the Astros' brass witnessed that day met their definition of "wife abuse".

 

I don't think any of that is true. Allegedly, it happened at his home before he was going to the ballpark that day. If you have a link verifying that there were witnesses, please post. But I think you're dead wrong.

The second link Tiger provided confirms that the incident took place in the stadium parking lot. No mention of whether or not there were witnesses.

 

The fact remains that the Astros immediately DFAd their starting SS for what they termed domestic violence.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Just say no the mediocre wife abuser please.

 

And before you tell me he was exonerated, think what one might be willing to do if their soon-to-be-millionare husband threatened to dump them if they didn't retract the charges.

So let me get this straight. You think she retracted the charges because of money? Why didn't she just settle a lawsuit and save herself the trouble of being with some guy who's abusing her? There's a lot of ways she could have cashed in on that situation without actually staying in the relationship.

 

IIRC, a victim severely exaggerating or even making up claims is pretty commonplace as well.

This is true...but then definitively calling him a "wife abuser" would be somewhere between an embellishment and slander, wouldn't it?

The story I seem to recall hearing is that Lugo physically assaulted his wife in the stadium parking lot, in front of the team bus and in view of many team personnel.

 

The Astros moved swiftly to suspend him, and then shortly thereafter, they released him.

 

Regardless of the ultimate disposition of the resulting criminal case, it seems abundantly clear that whatever the Astros' brass witnessed that day met their definition of "wife abuse".

 

I don't think any of that is true. Allegedly, it happened at his home before he was going to the ballpark that day. If you have a link verifying that there were witnesses, please post. But I think you're dead wrong.

The second link Tiger provided confirms that the incident took place in the stadium parking lot. No mention of whether or not there were witnesses.

 

The fact remains that the Astros immediately DFAd their starting SS for what they termed domestic violence.

 

My guess if there were witnesses, Lugo would not have been aquitted.

[CubFanPhilly]

I have a strong recollection that at least part of the incident happend in view of the team bus. However, I also know that some of the Astros players publicly supported Lugo after the charge. I believe the story was discussed in another thread here. (I'll see what I can find.)

 

Regardless, perhaps the Astros severely over-reacted to the incident?

 

Perhaps the Astros really cut Lugo because he was struggling with the bat at the time?

 

Or perhaps the Astros witnessed the incident or players and/or management were aware of the situation before the incident?

 

But the fact that his wife recanted tells us little - abused women often recant.

 

The fact that witnesses weren't called shouldn't surprise us. Are local authorties likely to supeona local celebrities to testify against a former teammate in a case where the victim is recanting?

 

Can anyone still rely on the acquital of a celebrity as an actual determination of guilt or innocence? Good grief, Lugo signed autographs for the jurors after the verdict.

 

When police showed up his wife had a bloodied lip, a bruised and swollen face. One can choose to believe that Mrs. Lugo's injuries were self-inflicted and/or exaggerated and that the charges were unjustified. One can believe that she recanted because this was an isolated incident and he's otherwise a good husband. Or maybe she recanted because she feared retaliation from him? Maybe she worried about facing a future without him or the impact on her child if she left him? Or maybe she was motivated by greed? I don't know.

 

My first post was probably too harsh and biased. But in my opinion there's enough doubt here to not want the guy on any team I'm a fan of.

 

CFP

[EastonBlues22]

But in my opinion there's enough doubt here to not want the guy on any team I'm a fan of.

 

CFP

I can agree with that...I'm not sure I'd want him on my team either. He certainly wouldn't be my first choice.

 

I just made the initial response because whenver I hear the term "abuser," it elicits thoughts of chronic and/or severe abuse (in whatever form it might take). I've never liked hearing that term associated with rather mild/one time "offenders." I've seen and lived through things that would be considered abuse under the law, but they weren't chronic happenings...they were just the results of emotions getting out of control. I've also seen people close to me get slapped with abuser labels that they didn't deserve. These things happen, to both men and women. Emotions are usually running high, and mouths might be running as well. Statements taken at these times aren't always the most accurate things. I just feel there's just too much doubt and uncertainty to be throwing labels around like that without any previous history or really severe acts to back it up.

 

Sorry, just a cause that hits close to home for several reasons, nothing more...I didn't really mean anything by it.

[CubFanPhilly]

I just made the initial response because whenver I hear the term "abuser," it elicits thoughts of chronic and/or severe abuse (in whatever form it might take). I've never liked hearing that term associated with rather mild/one time "offenders." I've seen and lived through things that would be considered abuse under the law, but they weren't chronic happenings...they were just the results of emotions getting out of control. I've also seen people close to me get slapped with abuser labels that they didn't deserve. These things happen, to both men and women.

 

It certainly happens and it's possible it happened in Lugo's case. You're right I shouldn't have slapped the label on him.

 

 

But here's another reason not to want Lugo on the team:

Lugo .276/.340/.400 career; .295/.362/.403 '05

Walker .290/.348/.441 career; .305/.355/.474 '05

 

Lugo/Cedeno is only greater than Cedeno/Walker defensively. Now if you can send Neifi back in the deal, I might be interested.

 

CFP

[EastonBlues22]

I just made the initial response because whenver I hear the term "abuser," it elicits thoughts of chronic and/or severe abuse (in whatever form it might take). I've never liked hearing that term associated with rather mild/one time "offenders." I've seen and lived through things that would be considered abuse under the law, but they weren't chronic happenings...they were just the results of emotions getting out of control. I've also seen people close to me get slapped with abuser labels that they didn't deserve. These things happen, to both men and women.

 

It certainly happens and it's possible it happened in Lugo's case. You're right I shouldn't have slapped the label on him.

 

 

But here's another reason not to want Lugo on the team:

Lugo .276/.340/.400 career; .295/.362/.403 '05

Walker .290/.348/.441 career; .305/.355/.474 '05

 

Lugo/Cedeno is only greater than Cedeno/Walker defensively. Now if you can send Neifi back in the deal, I might be interested.

 

CFP

LOL, I'm a Cards fan...those are the exact reasons why I do want the Cubs to get Lugo...

 

:wink:

[Vinestal]

I just made the initial response because whenver I hear the term "abuser," it elicits thoughts of chronic and/or severe abuse (in whatever form it might take). I've never liked hearing that term associated with rather mild/one time "offenders." I've seen and lived through things that would be considered abuse under the law, but they weren't chronic happenings...they were just the results of emotions getting out of control. I've also seen people close to me get slapped with abuser labels that they didn't deserve. These things happen, to both men and women.

 

It certainly happens and it's possible it happened in Lugo's case. You're right I shouldn't have slapped the label on him.

 

 

But here's another reason not to want Lugo on the team:

Lugo .276/.340/.400 career; .295/.362/.403 '05

Walker .290/.348/.441 career; .305/.355/.474 '05

 

Lugo/Cedeno is only greater than Cedeno/Walker defensively. Now if you can send Neifi back in the deal, I might be interested.

 

CFP

 

 

Defense seems to be the main reason they want to get rid of Walker, so if they are looking at Lugo thats probably the reasoning behind it. Im only for getting Lugo if he comes cheap, which is not very likely. I cant profess to know much about Lugo's defense, can someone give me a scouting report or something? How does Lugo's defense compare with Walkers? His range has to be better.

[Balsa]

See page 9 before this became a trial by forummer.

[Vinestal]

See page 9 before this became a trial by forummer.

 

Thanks Balsa I guess thats what I get for not reading all 10 previous pages. Doesnt really look like Lugo is all that much better than Walker defensively. Id love to see upgrade defensively at 2nd but not at great cost and the player would have to be a good deal better than Walker defensively. Im not sure anyone like that is really availible.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

At least for now, the Rays have closed the door on trade talks.

 

Link.

 

The Rays unofficially closed the door on trade talks Friday - two weeks before pitchers and catchers report for spring training - saying the organization is ready to proceed with the players it has in preparation for the 2006 season.

 

"With two high-profile players entering the last year of their contracts, there will undoubtedly be speculation about trades throughout the season," Rays executive vice president Andrew Friedman said. "While it is our obligation to listen to other clubs' ideas, our focus as camp nears will be on helping new manager Joe Maddon and his staff get to know our players, their strengths and challenges, in order to put together the best 25-man roster possible. The core of that roster we expect will have significant continuity for seasons to come."

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

At least for now, the Rays have closed the door on trade talks.

 

Link.

 

The Rays unofficially closed the door on trade talks Friday - two weeks before pitchers and catchers report for spring training - saying the organization is ready to proceed with the players it has in preparation for the 2006 season.

 

"With two high-profile players entering the last year of their contracts, there will undoubtedly be speculation about trades throughout the season," Rays executive vice president Andrew Friedman said. "While it is our obligation to listen to other clubs' ideas, our focus as camp nears will be on helping new manager Joe Maddon and his staff get to know our players, their strengths and challenges, in order to put together the best 25-man roster possible. The core of that roster we expect will have significant continuity for seasons to come."

 

That's good news.

 

I'm hoping Hendry "gets stuck with" Walker. He's far and away our best offensive 2B. Defense shmeefense. :D

[Neuby]

good news cauuse lugo is not the answer

[baseball7897]

Cedeno is the answer.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Talk in Tampa is that Lugo may sign an extension to stay there.

 

Link

 

and word out of Tampa is Julio Lugo - a favorite Mets target - may sign an extension there.

 

If Lugo signs an extension, would that push Upton to thirdbase? The outfield is already stocked with Crawford, Baldelli, Gomes, and Young on the way.

[BigbadB]

Talk in Tampa is that Lugo may sign an extension to stay there.

 

Link

 

and word out of Tampa is Julio Lugo - a favorite Mets target - may sign an extension there.

 

If Lugo signs an extension, would that push Upton to thirdbase? The outfield is already stocked with Crawford, Baldelli, Gomes, and Young on the way.

 

More likely into the already crowded outfield. Tampa can use Huff, Burroughs and Ty Wiggington at 3b, but I think they will actually platoon Wiggington and Burroughs.

 

Upton had 53 errors at SS last year, moving him to 3rd probably doesn't fix that problem all that much.

[rawaction]

Talk in Tampa is that Lugo may sign an extension to stay there.

 

Link

 

and word out of Tampa is Julio Lugo - a favorite Mets target - may sign an extension there.

 

If Lugo signs an extension, would that push Upton to thirdbase? The outfield is already stocked with Crawford, Baldelli, Gomes, and Young on the way.

 

More likely into the already crowded outfield. Tampa can use Huff, Burroughs and Ty Wiggington at 3b, but I think they will actually platoon Wiggington and Burroughs.

 

Upton had 53 errors at SS last year, moving him to 3rd probably doesn't fix that problem all that much.

 

Huff has been moved to 3B in spring training. Burroughs to the bench, Wigginton is gonna back up 1B and 3B.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Is Cantu going to be at 2B?

[Tim]

My question is: does that make Upton available for the right price? I'd send them a REALLY nice package to get Upton, who I think can move past his defensive issues and remain a SS.

[JWCUB]

How old is Upton?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

How old is Upton?

 

21

[BigbadB]

My question is: does that make Upton available for the right price? I'd send them a REALLY nice package to get Upton, who I think can move past his defensive issues and remain a SS.

 

That's the team I felt has always made a good trade partner with the Cubs. Gathright, Huff, Lugo, Baez, etc.......

 

Prior to the Pierre trade, we had a lot of pitching to move. We had a ton of money to spend and we had holes at basically all of the positions the above guys play.

 

I know that Tampa was asking too much for these guys, but I wonder how much time was actually spent working on trades that would help both teams?

[Blueheart05]

FWIW, CBS Sportsline's Rumor Mill, by way of the New York Daily News, says Lugo and Huff may still be traded.

 

Updated:02/27/2006

As reported in the New York Daily News, the Devil Rays are seeking to trade Aubrey Huff and Julio Lugo rather than signing him to a long-term deal.

 

Link

[Wrigley Rat]

I haven't read all of the posts, but depending on the unnamed pitcher I don't like this trade. Baker recently said that he doesn't want his #2 hitter stealing bases in front of the sluggers. He's afraid we'll run ourselves out of some runs (not a great belief if you ask me).