Jan. 2 - 4 College Football Bowl Games Discussion

[CuseCubFan69]

Great game. However, it was badly coached and officiated.

 

I think the officials in football call an arbitrary game as it is. IMO they could call a penalty on about every play.

[sethuel1]

Did they ever say how long the replay equipment was down?

 

And in a game this important, why can't they tap into the network replay feeds?

 

This year's NFL Draft ought to be interesting. I think Tamba Hali is a top 10-15 pick. Early indications are that Posluszny has ligament damange (perhaps 2 of the 3 knee ligaments). He gets an MRI today.

 

MRI is tomorrow for Poz, I heard. Also, Tamba's draft position will be interesting because he's slightly undersized. Then again, so is Dwight Freeney.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

White had one of his best games in his carrer. I think his draft stock might have risen 10+ slots last night alone to become a top 10 pick.

 

I look at it from another perspective. Say he's projected pre combine (which probably won't help him because he's not a "speed" back) to be in the top 15-20. The guaranteed money for that spot is roughly 10 million dollars. Also bearing in mind that there's 3 possibly 4 RB's who will be taken ahead of him: Bush, Williams, Maroney, and possibly Calhoun.

 

He could come back for his senior season and be THE focal point of that offense and put up incredible numbers possibly boosting himself into the top 5 (AD is coming out next year, so he'd probably be the second back taken), which comes with nearly 30 million in guaranteed money. Its a very fine line.

 

Perhaps its just the contrarian in me that thinks of this scenario. One thing White has going for him is that he has a pretty low amount of carries on his wheels and that could be a VERY attractive attribute for a team.

Another thing that he, and all draft eligible players, will consider is that the NFL will most likely be putting in a draft slotting system after this year that is similar to the one used in the NBA. This will mean that the amount of bonus and overall money given to draft picks will be reduced by a significant amount.

[Mike Aller]

At least the game was pretty balanced in the bad calls. :lol:

 

The big ones of course being Vince Young's knee and the Texas interception.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

At least the game was pretty balanced in the bad calls. :lol:

 

The big ones of course being Vince Young's knee and the Texas interception.

 

How was the Texas INT a bad call? They got it right.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

At least the game was pretty balanced in the bad calls. :lol:

 

The big ones of course being Vince Young's knee and the Texas interception.

 

How was the Texas INT a bad call? They got it right.

 

The other one, right after the "Young's knee" call. Kelso(sp? #4) picked off a pass and his landing on the ground jarred out the ball. It was ruled incomplete and wasn't reviewed, even though replay's showed it was a pretty clear interception.

[jaydee]

At least the game was pretty balanced in the bad calls. :lol:

 

The big ones of course being Vince Young's knee and the Texas interception.

 

I really don't think Texas 2nd INT was an INT and it was the right call. He caught it, did not establish posession, fell down, and dropped it. He didn't take two steps or anything that would of established posession, he simply had in his hands and dropped it as soon as he landed.

[Mike Aller]

At least the game was pretty balanced in the bad calls. :lol:

 

The big ones of course being Vince Young's knee and the Texas interception.

 

How was the Texas INT a bad call? They got it right.

 

The other one, right after the "Young's knee" call. Kelso(sp? #4) picked off a pass and his landing on the ground jarred out the ball. It was ruled incomplete and wasn't reviewed, even though replay's showed it was a pretty clear interception.

Yeah. Sorry, didn't specify. Ground can't cause a fumble. :(

[Mike Aller]

At least the game was pretty balanced in the bad calls. :lol:

 

The big ones of course being Vince Young's knee and the Texas interception.

 

I really don't think Texas 2nd INT was an INT and it was the right call. He caught it, did not establish posession, fell down, and dropped it. He didn't take two steps or anything that would of established posession, he simply had in his hands and dropped it as soon as he landed.

He had the ball tucked into his hands, wasn't bobbling (lol) it at all, and his back hit the ground. That's possesion.

[jaydee]

At least the game was pretty balanced in the bad calls. :lol:

 

The big ones of course being Vince Young's knee and the Texas interception.

 

I really don't think Texas 2nd INT was an INT and it was the right call. He caught it, did not establish posession, fell down, and dropped it. He didn't take two steps or anything that would of established posession, he simply had in his hands and dropped it as soon as he landed.

He had the ball tucked into his hands, wasn't bobbling (lol) it at all, and his back hit the ground. That's possesion.

 

So when did he establish possession? He did nothing that would establish possession before he let go of the ball. If he had held on to it when he hit the ground, it would of been an INT. But he didn't , so he never had possession of the ball.

[Mike Aller]

At least the game was pretty balanced in the bad calls. :lol:

 

The big ones of course being Vince Young's knee and the Texas interception.

 

I really don't think Texas 2nd INT was an INT and it was the right call. He caught it, did not establish posession, fell down, and dropped it. He didn't take two steps or anything that would of established posession, he simply had in his hands and dropped it as soon as he landed.

He had the ball tucked into his hands, wasn't bobbling (lol) it at all, and his back hit the ground. That's possesion.

 

So when did he establish possession? He did nothing that would establish possession before he let go of the ball. If he had held on to it when he hit the ground, it would of been an INT. But he didn't , so he never had possession of the ball.

When his back first touches the ground, it's possesion. The the jolt knocked it out.

[TruffleShuffle]

If Young comes out this year, it will be interesting to see how he grades. Leinart will grade above Eli and Alex Smith, that's for sure. I wonder if the Jets will try to trade up to number one to take him ahead of the Saints, I'm sure Houston wants to trade that pick.

 

I can't imagine the Texans trading that pick. For one thing, fans would march on Reliant Stadium with torches and pitchforks if they trade it. And second, how would they explain to the players who threw games down the stretch that oops, you lost games on purpose for nothing?

 

I think they do. They just resigned Davis to an extension, and they have a lot of years/cash invested in Carr. I say they trade down to 3 or 4, pick up a 2nd and a 3rd, or a future first, and draft D'Brickashaw.

 

Regardless of whether one thinks they should do what you're saying above - and I don't - it's never going to happen. There's more for the Texans front office to consider than just what they think will work out best for the team on the field. They also have to worry about fan perception. This is a team that has been either mediocre or downright awful through the entire existence of the franchise. The fans need someone to rally around, and Reggie Bush is that guy. I guarantee you that his jersey will be one of the top ten sellers next year. The McNabb pick over Ricky Williams was unpopular in Philly, but trading down and drafting an obscure offensive lineman (doubt many Texans fans know who Ferguson is) over a dynamic superstar Heisman winner would alienate many fans. The only guy other possible move for them would be to pick Young if he comes out, because while it would probably be a foolish pick, he's a hometown hero and would be accepted by the fan base.

[imb]

If Young comes out this year, it will be interesting to see how he grades. Leinart will grade above Eli and Alex Smith, that's for sure. I wonder if the Jets will try to trade up to number one to take him ahead of the Saints, I'm sure Houston wants to trade that pick.

 

I can't imagine the Texans trading that pick. For one thing, fans would march on Reliant Stadium with torches and pitchforks if they trade it. And second, how would they explain to the players who threw games down the stretch that oops, you lost games on purpose for nothing?

 

I think they do. They just resigned Davis to an extension, and they have a lot of years/cash invested in Carr. I say they trade down to 3 or 4, pick up a 2nd and a 3rd, or a future first, and draft D'Brickashaw.

 

Regardless of whether one thinks they should do what you're saying above - and I don't - it's never going to happen. There's more for the Texans front office to consider than just what they think will work out best for the team on the field. They also have to worry about fan perception. This is a team that has been either mediocre or downright awful through the entire existence of the franchise. The fans need someone to rally around, and Reggie Bush is that guy. I guarantee you that his jersey will be one of the top ten sellers next year. The McNabb pick over Ricky Williams was unpopular in Philly, but trading down and drafting an obscure offensive lineman (doubt many Texans fans know who Ferguson is) over a dynamic superstar Heisman winner would alienate many fans. The only guy other possible move for them would be to pick Young if he comes out, because while it would probably be a foolish pick, he's a hometown hero and would be accepted by the fan base.

 

Hahah how much do you know about the Texans and their front office and fan base? I'm thinking 0.

 

I know we're Cub fans, but sometimes, teams really do what's best for their team. And in this case, trading the number one pick, and picking up at the very least 1extra pick, along with a top 5 pick this season, is the right thing to do.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Who was it that got all those picks from Ditka so that he could draft Williams? Washington?

[burnt out cubbie fan]

If Young comes out this year, it will be interesting to see how he grades. Leinart will grade above Eli and Alex Smith, that's for sure. I wonder if the Jets will try to trade up to number one to take him ahead of the Saints, I'm sure Houston wants to trade that pick.

 

I can't imagine the Texans trading that pick. For one thing, fans would march on Reliant Stadium with torches and pitchforks if they trade it. And second, how would they explain to the players who threw games down the stretch that oops, you lost games on purpose for nothing?

 

I think they do. They just resigned Davis to an extension, and they have a lot of years/cash invested in Carr. I say they trade down to 3 or 4, pick up a 2nd and a 3rd, or a future first, and draft D'Brickashaw.

 

Regardless of whether one thinks they should do what you're saying above - and I don't - it's never going to happen. There's more for the Texans front office to consider than just what they think will work out best for the team on the field. They also have to worry about fan perception. This is a team that has been either mediocre or downright awful through the entire existence of the franchise. The fans need someone to rally around, and Reggie Bush is that guy. I guarantee you that his jersey will be one of the top ten sellers next year. The McNabb pick over Ricky Williams was unpopular in Philly, but trading down and drafting an obscure offensive lineman (doubt many Texans fans know who Ferguson is) over a dynamic superstar Heisman winner would alienate many fans. The only guy other possible move for them would be to pick Young if he comes out, because while it would probably be a foolish pick, he's a hometown hero and would be accepted by the fan base.

They already have that sort of player. His name is Andre Johnson. The problem is that the line is so horrible that the QB hasn't had time for him to get the ball. They also already have a really good running back named Domanick Davis. Last year he had close to 1800 rushing and receiving yards. And that is with that horrible line. If they were to pick up Ferguson and another couple of linemen in the draft, that offense would be very, very dangerous. If they don't do that, it will be one of the biggest mistakes that they can make. They aren't in the position where they can give up 3-4 extra high draft picks to improve a position where they are already above average.

[jaydee]

At least the game was pretty balanced in the bad calls. :lol:

 

The big ones of course being Vince Young's knee and the Texas interception.

 

I really don't think Texas 2nd INT was an INT and it was the right call. He caught it, did not establish posession, fell down, and dropped it. He didn't take two steps or anything that would of established posession, he simply had in his hands and dropped it as soon as he landed.

He had the ball tucked into his hands, wasn't bobbling (lol) it at all, and his back hit the ground. That's possesion.

 

So when did he establish possession? He did nothing that would establish possession before he let go of the ball. If he had held on to it when he hit the ground, it would of been an INT. But he didn't , so he never had possession of the ball.

When his back first touches the ground, it's possesion. The the jolt knocked it out.

 

I am pretty sure in college football if a WR catches the ball in the air, and drops the ball when he hits the ground it is not a catch. He has to hold on to establish possesion of the ball. Same would go for a defender, meaning unless he had established posession in a tenth of a second or so before the ball popped out, it would not be an INT.

[Mike Aller]

At least the game was pretty balanced in the bad calls. :lol:

 

The big ones of course being Vince Young's knee and the Texas interception.

 

I really don't think Texas 2nd INT was an INT and it was the right call. He caught it, did not establish posession, fell down, and dropped it. He didn't take two steps or anything that would of established posession, he simply had in his hands and dropped it as soon as he landed.

He had the ball tucked into his hands, wasn't bobbling (lol) it at all, and his back hit the ground. That's possesion.

 

So when did he establish possession? He did nothing that would establish possession before he let go of the ball. If he had held on to it when he hit the ground, it would of been an INT. But he didn't , so he never had possession of the ball.

When his back first touches the ground, it's possesion. The the jolt knocked it out.

 

I am pretty sure in college football if a WR catches the ball in the air, and drops the ball when he hits the ground it is not a catch. He has to hold on to establish possesion of the ball. Same would go for a defender, meaning unless he had established posession in a tenth of a second or so before the ball popped out, it would not be an INT.

Hrm, you may be right...but the fact that they didn't even review it is ridiculous. Even the accouncer (don't remember which one) when he saw the replay said it was an interception. He may have landed on his butt first then his back hit, I don't remember exactly.

[TruffleShuffle]

They already have that sort of player. His name is Andre Johnson. The problem is that the line is so horrible that the QB hasn't had time for him to get the ball. They also already have a really good running back named Domanick Davis. Last year he had close to 1800 rushing and receiving yards. And that is with that horrible line. If they were to pick up Ferguson and another couple of linemen in the draft, that offense would be very, very dangerous. If they don't do that, it will be one of the biggest mistakes that they can make. They aren't in the position where they can give up 3-4 extra high draft picks to improve a position where they are already above average.

 

(1) Therein lies the problem... one man does not make an offensive line. You need 5 good players or at least 4 who can cover for the weak link, and right now the Texans' offensive line is basically trash. So, you're going to count on Ferguson and two other first-year offensive linemen to turn around a unit that has been atrocious? Sorry, first year players just don't have that kind of an impact, especially at a position like offensive line. They need to learn blocking schemes and adapt to the added strength, speed and complexity of the pro game.

 

(2) They aren't going to get 3-4 extra high draft picks for that pick. Who is going to make that deal? The Saints? No, they don't need a RB, and they sure have enough holes to make it a bad move for them to deal away all kinds of draft picks. Tennessee? They could use the RB, but they just traded for Travis Henry and have Chris Brown, plus they too have a very low talent level and need numerous picks. The Jets talent level sucks, and they probably need a QB more than a RB. They go any lower than 4th, they lose Ferguson. In any case, I think that a trade with the Jets is probably the most plausible scenario, but even so, the Jets can't just magically invent first round picks. The Texans would be getting second, third, fourth rounders... good picks yes, but certainly with higher bust potential.

 

 

Anyway, the Texans will be picking Reggie Bush, so this whole debate is pretty moot.

[TruffleShuffle]

Hahah how much do you know about the Texans and their front office and fan base? I'm thinking 0.

 

Well, I do know them well enough to know what they're going to do with the first pick the 2006 NFL draft... and that is > 0.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

They already have that sort of player. His name is Andre Johnson. The problem is that the line is so horrible that the QB hasn't had time for him to get the ball. They also already have a really good running back named Domanick Davis. Last year he had close to 1800 rushing and receiving yards. And that is with that horrible line. If they were to pick up Ferguson and another couple of linemen in the draft, that offense would be very, very dangerous. If they don't do that, it will be one of the biggest mistakes that they can make. They aren't in the position where they can give up 3-4 extra high draft picks to improve a position where they are already above average.

 

(1) Therein lies the problem... one man does not make an offensive line. You need 5 good players or at least 4 who can cover for the weak link, and right now the Texans' offensive line is basically trash. So, you're going to count on Ferguson and two other first-year offensive linemen to turn around a unit that has been atrocious? Sorry, first year players just don't have that kind of an impact, especially at a position like offensive line. They need to learn blocking schemes and adapt to the added strength, speed and complexity of the pro game.

 

(2) They aren't going to get 3-4 extra high draft picks for that pick. Who is going to make that deal? The Saints? No, they don't need a RB, and they sure have enough holes to make it a bad move for them to deal away all kinds of draft picks. Tennessee? They could use the RB, but they just traded for Travis Henry and have Chris Brown, plus they too have a very low talent level and need numerous picks. The Jets talent level sucks, and they probably need a QB more than a RB. They go any lower than 4th, they lose Ferguson. In any case, I think that a trade with the Jets is probably the most plausible scenario, but even so, the Jets can't just magically invent first round picks. The Texans would be getting second, third, fourth rounders... good picks yes, but certainly with higher bust potential.

 

 

Anyway, the Texans will be picking Reggie Bush, so this whole debate is pretty moot.

You have to start somewhere. They aren't going to get a good line if they keep avoiding it like they have been since the team was founded. The fact remains that they already have a very good running back, why would they want to draft another when they have much larger needs elsewhere. One might say that they should just draft Bush and trade Dom. However, they are going to get much better if they value if they trade the pick down a couple of spots. The difference in abilities between Dom and Reggie isn't enough to justify giving away that many draft picks. And despite what you say, that first overall is going to be one of the most coveted in a while. They will get very good value for it. They will probably be able to get a top 5 this year, a 2nd rounder this year, a first rounder next year, and another pick. That will give them a top 5 pick, two top five picks in the 2nd round, and the 1st and 2nd picks in the third round (they got the 2nd pick in a previous trade). They can turn around their team in a hurry if they put those picks to good use. They could actually be a team that would be dangerous in a year or two.

 

Also, you must have some really good insider info since you can tell me without doubt that the Texans are not going to trade that pick. They haven't given any sort of indication was to what they are going to do. They only thing that I have heard is draft psychos such as Mel Kiper Jr. spew nonsense.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Ugh, Maurice Drew expected to turn pro. :(

[stitchface]

Ugh, Maurice Drew expected to turn pro. :(

 

is it just me or are there a lot of running backs going pro this year?

[imb]

Hahah how much do you know about the Texans and their front office and fan base? I'm thinking 0.

 

Well, I do know them well enough to know what they're going to do with the first pick the 2006 NFL draft... and that is > 0.

 

It's the first week of January, there's no way you can be positive at this point who the Texans will draft.

 

I would bet on the Jets, who need a QB, trading their first rounder and an extra pick or two to the Texans for the #1 overall.

 

The Jets need a QB, and if Vince stays in school, the only premier QB available is going to be Leinart. The Saints are primed to take him at #2, so the only way for the Jets to get him is to move up to number one. Fortunately for them, the Texans dont need Bush. Sure, they might want him, but with Davis, he isn't a need.

 

Anyway, I think they trade the pick, so how about this. If the Texans draft Bush, I'll use the avatar of your choice for a month, and if they trade the pick, you do likewise?

[Chris]

Anyway, I think they trade the pick, so how about this. If the Texans draft Bush, I'll use the avatar of your choice for a month, and if they trade the pick, you do likewise?

 

This has potential

[stitchface]

I have no idea what they will do, but I think they would be crazy to not trade the pick (provided they get the kind of deal I think they would). Even a great running back has little impact to a bad team.