Hendry is gonna regret giving up on Nomar..

[jmajew]

How was Nomar's injury last year a fluke injury? I consider Prior's multiple DL trips where he was in a collison (either with a player or a ball) to be flukes, but hurting yourself coming out of the batter's box? We all knew Nomar was battling injuries coming into the year. I think its pretty fair to say he's an injury prone guy.

I think it is a pretty common belief that tearing your groin running out of the batters box is a fluke injury.

 

If that is true, what injury is not considered a fluke injury? He got injured doing baseball things.

 

If Kerry Wood throws a pitch and tears a ligament in his shoulder how is it any less of a fluke? Because it has happened before? Then is the first time it happened a fluke?

Kerry Wood has had shoulder problems a few years in a row. It has been the same part of his body.

 

When Kerry Wood injured his shoulder the first time was it a fluke? That's all I'm saying. Even more the reason to consider him an injury prone risk that he has injured multiple parts of his body during his career, leaving him at a huge risk of reinjuring something over the course of a year.

 

In my opinion there is a difference between injury prone and Chronically injured. In my humble opinion an injury prone player has a bunch of fluke injuries, it is just bad luck. When someone chronically injures the same part of his body, like wood and Griffey I would worry more. I believe that an injury prone player is more likely to end up being healthy than a Chronically injured player, if the injury prone player has any luck at all.

 

IMO a shoulder injury for a pitcher is really never a fluke because they put so much stress on it by throwing so many pitches. I think it is inevitable that a pitcher will hurt is shoulder at some point in his career. With Wood his shoulder is always hurt.

Edited December 13, 2005 by jmajew

[Cubzfan64]

I wish more than anything that Nomar had proven himself to be named the Comeback Player of 2005, but it just wasn't to be. I was a huge proponent of getting him and truthfully thought I could get through 2005 with only minimal down time due to injury. Call it a fluke or call it his body just "starting to wear down," whatever you call it, 2006 just wasn't a good fit for him with the Cubs as much as I hate to say it.

 

He didn't prove he can stay healthy and with the injuries this team has gone through the last two seasons, I just don't think it would have been a smart financial or "operational" decision to resign him.

 

Hendry took a gamble in 2005 and it didn't pay off - in a risk vs. reward scenario at this point of Nomar's career, I just don't think it was worth the risk in 2006 for the Chicago Cubs.

 

I sure wish him the best though!

[polosprt009]

Wow, calling out the GM for being an idiot because he didn't resign an injury risk player who he lost money on last year? Let's not forget Nomar wasn't healthy for a consecutive week with the Cubs...And you're an on-and-off the bandwagon fan to begin with?

 

No comment.

 

First of all, I'm probably the 110th person to call Hendry an idiot on this board for choices he's made (and didn't make) in the recent past. While him not offering Nomar arbitration is a somewhat understandable move, I just don't agree with it. Second of all, an on again off again "bandwagon fan"? Excuse me? I watched baseball religiously as a kid and then picked up my interest again for the game in 2004. That makes me a bandwagon fan? Religiously watching the cubs again when they were a .500 team? hmm...

 

The first game he played for the cubs was the first game I watched the cubs play in years (other then the 03 playoffs).

 

So you started watching when they started winning, literally. You might even say you 'jumped on board' after the regular season in 2003 to 'ride' the success happening in the '03 playoffs. Sounds like a bandwagon jumper to me. There were plenty of reasons to be a Cub fan before Nomar joined this team. Go ahead and jump off if Nomar's the reason you're watching. But if you're truly a fan of this team, don't let that be why you're upset with Hendry. I'm one of his biggest supporters, but at the same time, I can understand when the Hendry-haters say he made a bad move by not acquiring a better CF, or for feeling the need to trade Todd Walker. Nomar made $8 Million last year and more the year before, and couldn't stay healthy for consecutive weeks. He had his chance. You can only invest so much for a guy like that. I'd be very willing to bet that Hendry offered him a token low-dollar, one-year offer to stay and that's probably when he and Nomar 'agreed to let him pursue other opportunities'.

 

Mr. Penguin, you talk as if you seem to have me figured out or something. Even though it's not important I'm going to back up what I said because you're wrong. I watched the playoffs like everyone else did in 03, but I only watched bits and pieces of the games. I don't think I watched one of those games in full. To me at the time it was like watching any other team in the playoffs since I hadn't watched much baseball at that point in years. I wasn't sharing the excitement of true Cubs fans at the time nor did I jump on any bandwagon. If I did, I would have stayed for the ride through the beginning half of the 04 season.

 

As for Nomar not having one consecutive healthy week with the cubs, wrong again. Let's see here.. he played every game between Aug 7th - 17th (no days off), every game between Aug 26 thru Sept 9 (sept 1 being a day off since there was no game played), and then played every game between Sept 11 and Oct 1st. I believe there's 7 days in a week, correct me if I'm wrong ;) Each of these stretches went longer than that.

 

As what I said before, my opinion of Hendry has been low long before this Nomar decision. Nomar's departure also isn't going to change my love for the Cubs one bit. I'm just dissapointed as is any other Nomar fan. Got anything else wrong with that?[/b]

[ThePenguin11]

Wow, calling out the GM for being an idiot because he didn't resign an injury risk player who he lost money on last year? Let's not forget Nomar wasn't healthy for a consecutive week with the Cubs...And you're an on-and-off the bandwagon fan to begin with?

 

No comment.

 

First of all, I'm probably the 110th person to call Hendry an idiot on this board for choices he's made (and didn't make) in the recent past. While him not offering Nomar arbitration is a somewhat understandable move, I just don't agree with it. Second of all, an on again off again "bandwagon fan"? Excuse me? I watched baseball religiously as a kid and then picked up my interest again for the game in 2004. That makes me a bandwagon fan? Religiously watching the cubs again when they were a .500 team? hmm...

 

The first game he played for the cubs was the first game I watched the cubs play in years (other then the 03 playoffs).

 

So you started watching when they started winning, literally. You might even say you 'jumped on board' after the regular season in 2003 to 'ride' the success happening in the '03 playoffs. Sounds like a bandwagon jumper to me. There were plenty of reasons to be a Cub fan before Nomar joined this team. Go ahead and jump off if Nomar's the reason you're watching. But if you're truly a fan of this team, don't let that be why you're upset with Hendry. I'm one of his biggest supporters, but at the same time, I can understand when the Hendry-haters say he made a bad move by not acquiring a better CF, or for feeling the need to trade Todd Walker. Nomar made $8 Million last year and more the year before, and couldn't stay healthy for consecutive weeks. He had his chance. You can only invest so much for a guy like that. I'd be very willing to bet that Hendry offered him a token low-dollar, one-year offer to stay and that's probably when he and Nomar 'agreed to let him pursue other opportunities'.

 

Mr. Penguin, you talk as if you seem to have me figured out or something. Even though it's not important I'm going to back up what I said because you're wrong. I watched the playoffs like everyone else did in 03, but I only watched bits and pieces of the games. I don't think I watched one of those games in full. To me at the time it was like watching any other team in the playoffs since I hadn't watched much baseball at that point in years. I wasn't sharing the excitement of true Cubs fans at the time nor did I jump on any bandwagon. If I did, I would have stayed for the ride through the beginning half of the 04 season.

 

As for Nomar not having one consecutive healthy week with the cubs, wrong again. Let's see here.. he played every game between Aug 7th - 17th (no days off), every game between Aug 26 thru Sept 9 (sept 1 being a day off since there was no game played), and then played every game between Sept 11 and Oct 1st. I believe there's 7 days in a week, correct me if I'm wrong ;) Each of these stretches went longer than that.

 

As what I said before, my opinion of Hendry has been low long before this Nomar decision. Nomar's departure also isn't going to change my love for the Cubs one bit. I'm just dissapointed as is any other Nomar fan. Got anything else wrong with that?[/b]

 

Just because he played for 10 straight days, doesn't necessarily mean he was playing healthy. Guys play through injury and their performance pays for it. In Nomar's case it was the fact that he could no longer play shortstop.

[Neuby]

Nomar should have been offered a 1 one year deal for 3 million with no gurantee to start and I am willing to think he would have taken it. For half a million more I would take him over Nefi. If you look around baseball the money might be a little bit more but most teams aren't offering him a starting job.

[Sweet Swinging Billy]

First of all, Nomar was one of my favorites, I play my videos of: "his first game as a Cub" and "Mia Hamm Day" over and over again. I really hate to see him go, I really wish he could have finished his career as a Cub (maybe somewhere down the line). However, many with the Red Sox organization as well as the Cub organization, would tell you that he is financially not worth the risk. The thing I admire about Hendry the most, (besides his patience and persistence) is that he cared enough about Nomar to tell him the truth, that it would be in his best interests to seek employment elsewhere. And for that he's called an idiot? You're kidding right?

[rawaction]

The name calling goes for more than just fellow posters. Please, don't use derrogatory words when referring to any associated with the Cubs organization. There are plenty of respectful ways to go about disagreeing with something or someone.

[Cubzfan64]

First of all, Nomar was one of my favorites, I play my videos of: "his first game as a Cub" and "Mia Hamm Day" over and over again. I really hate to see him go, I really wish he could have finished his career as a Cub (maybe somewhere down the line). However, many with the Red Sox organization as well as the Cub organization, would tell you that he is financially not worth the risk. The thing I admire about Hendry the most, (besides his patience and persistence) is that he cared enough about Nomar to tell him the truth, that it would be in his best interests to seek employment elsewhere. And for that he's called an idiot? You're kidding right?

 

I have to second that also - I'm not thrilled with Mr. Hendry so far this offseason, but I respect the fact that he didn't string along Nomar, but rather made a decision and gave the play the chance to find a job somewhere else.

[Andy]

The name calling goes for more than just fellow posters. Please, don't use derrogatory words when referring to any associated with the Cubs organization. There are plenty of respectful ways to go about disagreeing with something or someone.

Meat and Potatoes Man's avatar is shaking in its boots. :D

[Soul]

Everyone here knows deep down inside. Deeeeeeeep down in the furthest recesses of our Cubbie-Blue souls:

 

 

 

Nomar will go injury-free next year with someone else.

 

 

 

Oh yes!! You know it will happen. So do I. Yet, the bitter truth remains. If he stays here, he'll be injured by May 15th and sit the bench until we're mathematically eliminated just like always.

[badger1679666666]

The name calling goes for more than just fellow posters. Please, don't use derrogatory words when referring to any associated with the Cubs organization. There are plenty of respectful ways to go about disagreeing with something or someone.

 

Seriously, I admire your efforts, but with this offseason, Dusty, Neifi, trading Walker for crap, and whoever they throw out in RF,

 

It's gonna be an awfully tough time patrolling these boards.

 

At least MAcias and Hawkins are gone though.

[badger1679666666]

Everyone here knows deep down inside. Deeeeeeeep down in the furthest recesses of our Cubbie-Blue souls:

 

 

 

Nomar will go injury-free next year with someone else.

 

 

 

Oh yes!! You know it will happen. So do I. Yet, the bitter truth remains. If he stays here, he'll be injured by May 15th and sit the bench until we're mathematically eliminated just like always.

 

Yep, I don't blame Hendry for not signing him, but I know he's gonna hit .315/.370/.500/.870 next year with 20 HR and 85 RBI. Just write it in stone right now.

 

I love Nomar, and I'm pissed off he won't be back. What a classy guy.

[indifferent]

jmajew, I don't see how you differentiate between injury prone and chronically injured. Who cares how many different injuries sideline a player? They're not available to play. JD Drew exemplifies this and Nomar also, to an extent. Cards fans want to apply this tag to Rolen also and it might be applicable, regardless of whether the cause of his injury was running into a player or not.

[jmajew]

jmajew, I don't see how you differentiate between injury prone and chronically injured. Who cares how many different injuries sideline a player? They're not available to play. JD Drew exemplifies this and Nomar also, to an extent. Cards fans want to apply this tag to Rolen also and it might be applicable, regardless of whether the cause of his injury was running into a player or not.

 

People apply this tag way to easily and that is the problem. I differentiate for that specific reason. I don't feel it is fair to call someone injury prone when they have had 3 injury plagued years. Did you call Sosa injury prone when he missed all those games in 2003 and 2004?

 

I just want to get this straight...do you think that Kerry Woods injury problems are different then Nomars? one has the same problem every year and the other has a different injury whenever he gets hurt. I understand both affect the team but which kind of injury risk would you as a GM rather take a risk on...someone who has a chronically bad shoulder or someone who breaks a wrist getting hit by a ball, who hurts his achilles, or tears his groin running out of the box?

[Electron Blue]

jmajew, I don't see how you differentiate between injury prone and chronically injured. Who cares how many different injuries sideline a player? They're not available to play. JD Drew exemplifies this and Nomar also, to an extent. Cards fans want to apply this tag to Rolen also and it might be applicable, regardless of whether the cause of his injury was running into a player or not.

 

Both chronically injured players and injury prone players have both missed time in the past due to injuries, but that's where the similarities end. Someone who's chronically injured, as others have said, simply means he has had more than his share of bad luck. Someone who's injury prone has had past injuries that are medically related, and that are not believed to be fixed entirely.

 

If you're trying to choose between signing a chronically injured player and an injury prone one, the choice is easy: get the guy who is not more likely to get hurt in the future, the guy whose past injuries don't suggest a recurring problem (i.e. Griffey's hamstring, I believe, is what usually shuts him down).

 

To say that they're both "not available to play" is true, but an oversimplification.

 

Sorry, I can't help it. I love definitional debate :wink:

[CubfaninCA]

I heard tonight that NY has offered Nomar $6 million to play 1b. They can have him & his wrecked body for that amount.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I heard tonight that NY has offered Nomar $6 million to play 1b. They can have him & his wrecked body for that amount.

 

For a team like the yankees that's a smart risk.

[professahesse]

Play CPAT in RF. I still think he can hit .275+ with 20+ HRs and good RBI production. I know I'm whipping this idea pretty hard here, but think about what a rebounded CPAT could do for this team. Its not impossible, and I would assert imminently possible.

[jmajew]

Play CPAT in RF. I still think he can hit .275+ with 20+ HRs and good RBI production. I know I'm whipping this idea pretty hard here, but think about what a rebounded CPAT could do for this team. Its not impossible, and I would assert imminently possible.

 

In all honesty, this may be the best idea for the Cubs. This way we don't have to pay 7 million a year for someone like Jones who isn't much better, imo. If Patterson plays well that is great and if he plays poorly and we are in the playoff race come June we can make a trade for a new RF. Patterson could possibly be the biggest risk/reward player left out there. If he can go back to his 2004 form he is just as good as Jones and if somehow he goes back to his 2003 form he is better than Jones. As of now i am not opposed to this idea, I actually think it may be the best option we have left.

[bobbyd20]

Nomar at $6 million looks like a bargain when compared to Neifi and his $2.5 million per contract.

[BigbadB]

Nomar at $6 million looks like a bargain when compared to Neifi and his $2.5 million per contract.

 

The Cubs probably could have had him for 4m if they showed some interest at the end of the season.

[jmajew]

Nomar at $6 million looks like a bargain when compared to Neifi and his $2.5 million per contract.

 

The Cubs probably could have had him for 4m if they showed some interest at the end of the season.

 

That is a scary thought.

[Soul]

Hendry is gonna regret giving up on Nomar..

 

 

 

Hendry is going to regret a lot of things....