Levine reporting about Tejada and Cubs

[Jazz]

Assuming Hendry pulled the big "I hate Todd Walker" stick out of his *** and did htis deal as well, would there be a better offensive infield in baseball than Lee, Ramirez, Tejada, Walker (and Barrett?)

Quite a few. Ramirez is at best average at third. Walker is below average at second. The IF would be strong at SS and 1B, but wouldn't rank at the top of all MLB IF's.

 

Now, if Hendry trades Walker and we end up with Lee, Cedeno, Tejada & Ramirez, that would be pretty impressive defensively.

 

and the answer is yes, offensively, and overall.

[Tim]

Assuming Hendry pulled the big "I hate Todd Walker" stick out of his *** and did htis deal as well, would there be a better offensive infield in baseball than Lee, Ramirez, Tejada, Walker (and Barrett?)

Quite a few. Ramirez is at best average at third. Walker is below average at second. The IF would be strong at SS and 1B, but wouldn't rank at the top of all MLB IF's.

 

Now, if Hendry trades Walker and we end up with Lee, Cedeno, Tejada & Ramirez, that would be pretty impressive defensively.

 

Tim,

 

Are you thinking defensively? Aramis is way above average offensively.

oops. Read that first post wrong. :oops:

 

nevermind 8-[

[da bears]

I think the worst part of this is we are gonna have to wait a while to get results, either Cubs trade for Tejada or the Orioles publically pull him off the table. The waiting is gonna suck.

[RockTheIvy]

Oh man, landing Tejada would be awesome. It would make the offseason a success in my eyes, especially if we could avoid playing Neifi! at 2B. Then we could go after a RF like Wilkerson or Bradley, and, whoah, I'm pumped.

 

Juan Ivory Pierre

Murton

Lee

Tejada

Ramirez

Bradley/Wilkerson

Barrett

2Bdude

 

Pretty hot, if you ask me.

[JoshiQ]

If we get Tejada somehow I will be jumping in the streets, running around in my boxers, and screaming my lungs out.

 

In other words, make it happen, Hendry!

[wilk]

You know, Baltimore still owes the Cubs a PTBNL fromt he Sosa deal because that Crouthers guy retired.

 

We took cash considerations instead. That deal is done.

[Jazz]

If we could just pry BWilk from TX for RF, Tejada at SS...I'd be happy with this offseason if we could go into next season with:

 

CF Pierre .360 OBP

2B Walker/JHJR .350 OBP

1B DLee .400 OBP

SS Tejada .350 OBP

3B Ramirez .370 OBP

RF BWilk .360 OBP

LF Murton .350 OBP

C Barrett .350 OBP

 

None of those OBPs are too unreasonable, maybe a little hopeful, but not unreasonable. I could go with that, that'd be a HUGE upgrade over last year.

 

Pen is solid, bottom of the rotation is the only worry. Wood would need to be healthy if we don't bag another starter, or Rusch would have to have another season like he had in '04.

 

we will be depleted of pitching trading chips by the end of the hopeful Tejada deal, so i dont think we have the personnel to get Wilkerson. They have a young guy they are looking at for 2B named Ian Kinsler who i believe will hit very well in that ballpark, and be a mainstay in the lineup.

 

A more viable option is helping the mets in acquiring Manny from the redsox and getting Cliff Floyd in Return.

Edited December 10, 2005 by Jazz

[biittner77]

From talking to O's fans, it seems as though they might non tender Matos, which would leave them in need of a CFer. They would also need a SS unless they feel they can sign Nomar. The O's supposedly had contacted Nomar about playing 1st for the O's. Nomar would likely jump at the chance to prove himself at SS.

 

So, looking at their needs, the O's have Bedard, Lopez and Cabrera as the heart of their rotation. They could definitely use one or two more SP and are without a viable closer unless they are thick enough to try Hawkins there.

 

Besides the Obvious Prospects (Pie, Guzman, Williams, Cedeno) I would think the O's would have interest in the following Cubs:

 

-Patterson since he could bat 9th and be a sort of 2nd leadoff without the pressure of the spotlight and a coaching staff trying to turn him into slappy McNostick.

 

- Rusch whom they might insert into their rotation

 

-Wellemeyer (did he actually get traded to CO or is that a rumor?) whom they've seen and seem to like

 

-Novoa who could compete for the closer role

[SteveSarley]

I am not sure if a package of Pie, Cedeno, Hill and J. Williams & cash would be enough to make this deal happen. Realize here that everyone proposing trades is talking about getting one superstar in return for a bushel full of "what if's."

Would you trade Derrek Lee for the above-mentioned four prospects? I don't think I would. Why would Baltimore trade their version of Derrek Lee for the same?

[snoodmonger]

From talking to O's fans, it seems as though they might non tender Matos, which would leave them in need of a CFer. They would also need a SS unless they feel they can sign Nomar. The O's supposedly had contacted Nomar about playing 1st for the O's. Nomar would likely jump at the chance to prove himself at SS.

 

So, looking at their needs, the O's have Bedard, Lopez and Cabrera as the heart of their rotation. They could definitely use one or two more SP and are without a viable closer unless they are thick enough to try Hawkins there.

 

Besides the Obvious Prospects (Pie, Guzman, Williams, Cedeno) I would think the O's would have interest in the following Cubs:

 

-Patterson since he could bat 9th and be a sort of 2nd leadoff without the pressure of the spotlight and a coaching staff trying to turn him into slappy McNostick.

 

- Rusch whom they might insert into their rotation

 

-Wellemeyer (did he actually get traded to CO or is that a rumor?) whom they've seen and seem to like

 

-Novoa who could compete for the closer role

 

I thought rules prohibited us from trading Rusch until sometime duriing the season (May?). Is that correct?

 

I don't know. It doesn't seem like we have the chips for Tejada.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I have a feeling Pie will be involved in any deal we make for Tejada. To give up a player of his caliber, they will won't the gem of our minor league system.

 

I think if the Orioles decide to go prospects for him,it will be a four player package going to the Orioles. The package will begin with Pie and they'll likely want Cedeno unless they believe they can fill the need signing Alex Gonzalez. My guess is they'd ask for Pie, Cedeno, and then likely one pitcher. Would they prefer the major-league ready Jerome Williams, the injury-prone, high ceiling Angel Guzman, or the lefty Rich Hill? I'd also see them asking for one of Dopirak or Harvey.

 

I'm pretty sure at that point, Hendry will try to get the deal done without giving away that many of our top players, but I'm guessing that's where it would start.

[Jazz]

i really hope we can get Tejada without giving up Pie. He got the nomar deal done 2 yrs ago without giving up clement, I think he could work that magic again.

[ThePenguin11]

I am not sure if a package of Pie, Cedeno, Hill and J. Williams & cash would be enough to make this deal happen. Realize here that everyone proposing trades is talking about getting one superstar in return for a bushel full of "what if's."

Would you trade Derrek Lee for the above-mentioned four prospects? I don't think I would. Why would Baltimore trade their version of Derrek Lee for the same?

 

Derrek Lee isn't raising a stink about wanting to be traded. So the situation is different. Plus, the Cubs have been much more successful than the Orioles as of late.

 

I might actually consider trading Lee for all of them if they were close to being MLB-ready. Stockstill is probably thinking Hill and Pie are ready to go now and Pie will be ready next spring - so there's a chance it could fly if we added a veteran. I'd be willing to bet that if a Pie, Hill, Cedeno & Williams for Tejada trade went down, that Hendry would still manage to get someone else in the deal that could be useful.

Edited December 10, 2005 by ThePenguin11

[oldcubsfan]

I am not sure if a package of Pie, Cedeno, Hill and J. Williams & cash would be enough to make this deal happen. Realize here that everyone proposing trades is talking about getting one superstar in return for a bushel full of "what if's."

Would you trade Derrek Lee for the above-mentioned four prospects? I don't think I would. Why would Baltimore trade their version of Derrek Lee for the same?

 

Baltimore would free up a lot of cash to go after pitching with the first deal.

[oldcubsfan]

If we could just pry BWilk from TX for RF, Tejada at SS...I'd be happy with this offseason if we could go into next season with:

 

CF Pierre .360 OBP

2B Walker/JHJR .350 OBP

1B DLee .400 OBP

SS Tejada .350 OBP

3B Ramirez .370 OBP

RF BWilk .360 OBP

LF Murton .350 OBP

C Barrett .350 OBP

 

None of those OBPs are too unreasonable, maybe a little hopeful, but not unreasonable. I could go with that, that'd be a HUGE upgrade over last year.

 

Pen is solid, bottom of the rotation is the only worry. Wood would need to be healthy if we don't bag another starter, or Rusch would have to have another season like he had in '04.

 

Are you aware that the Cubs had a higher OBP last year than the 2 teams in the world series? Pitching wins.

[David]

Well, with Tejada in the fold, we could more than handle the sub-par (for a RF) power of Bradley in right. If we could get him for a reasonable package (unless he's out of the question...I've been out of town and out of the loop for about a week), the lineup would shape up pretty nicely.

[ltb]

Are you aware that the Cubs had a higher OBP last year than the 2 teams in the world series? Pitching wins.

 

these obps are distributed evenly throughout the lineup.

 

last year's cubs team did not have the same thing going on.

[uppercase_D]

I am not sure if a package of Pie, Cedeno, Hill and J. Williams & cash would be enough to make this deal happen. Realize here that everyone proposing trades is talking about getting one superstar in return for a bushel full of "what if's."

Would you trade Derrek Lee for the above-mentioned four prospects? I don't think I would. Why would Baltimore trade their version of Derrek Lee for the same?

 

Baltimore would free up a lot of cash to go after pitching with the first deal.

 

 

I tend to agree, with the amount of prospects being thrown in and with the freed up money they would have from this deal, wouldnt they do this quickly so they can persue some FA pitching?

Edited December 10, 2005 by uppercase_D

[ThePenguin11]

I am not sure if a package of Pie, Cedeno, Hill and J. Williams & cash would be enough to make this deal happen. Realize here that everyone proposing trades is talking about getting one superstar in return for a bushel full of "what if's."

Would you trade Derrek Lee for the above-mentioned four prospects? I don't think I would. Why would Baltimore trade their version of Derrek Lee for the same?

 

Baltimore would free up a lot of cash to go after pitching with the first deal.

 

All the more reason to get a deal done soon, while Millwood, Morris and Washburn are still on the market.

Edited December 10, 2005 by ThePenguin11

[David]

If we could just pry BWilk from TX for RF, Tejada at SS...I'd be happy with this offseason if we could go into next season with:

 

CF Pierre .360 OBP

2B Walker/JHJR .350 OBP

1B DLee .400 OBP

SS Tejada .350 OBP

3B Ramirez .370 OBP

RF BWilk .360 OBP

LF Murton .350 OBP

C Barrett .350 OBP

 

None of those OBPs are too unreasonable, maybe a little hopeful, but not unreasonable. I could go with that, that'd be a HUGE upgrade over last year.

 

Pen is solid, bottom of the rotation is the only worry. Wood would need to be healthy if we don't bag another starter, or Rusch would have to have another season like he had in '04.

 

Are you aware that the Cubs had a higher OBP last year than the 2 teams in the world series? Pitching wins.

 

Anything can win in the playoffs if it's hot. The offense needs to be more consistent to REACH the playoffs, and the way to consistent production in the offense is patient hitters who put up good OBPs.

[CP_414]

I am not sure if a package of Pie, Cedeno, Hill and J. Williams & cash would be enough to make this deal happen. Realize here that everyone proposing trades is talking about getting one superstar in return for a bushel full of "what if's."

Would you trade Derrek Lee for the above-mentioned four prospects? I don't think I would. Why would Baltimore trade their version of Derrek Lee for the same?

 

The Cubs and O's are in very different situations. The Cubs have the highest payroll in their division and already have the pitching to be a serious postseason contender. The O's aren't even close. They are the 4th best team in their division (with Tampa catching up) and that is with Miggy. Then factor in that he is asking for a trade.

 

If they do decide to deal him it would be in their best interests to try to get 3-4 young pitchers who could have an impact on the club (while being cheap, too) for a number of years. Add in Bedard and Cabrera and they could have the pitching to contend in the AL EAst for a few years.

 

If I'm Baltimore I would seriously consider Williams, Hill, Wuertz, and Cedeno. I would prolly take that deal if I was either team.

[Andy]

Well, with Tejada in the fold, we could more than handle the sub-par (for a RF) power of Bradley in right. If we could get him for a reasonable package (unless he's out of the question...I've been out of town and out of the loop for about a week), the lineup would shape up pretty nicely.

Supposedly the Dodgers turned down a Walker for Bradley deal, so our best bet with Milton might be to wait for the Dodgers to non-tender him.

[AramisRamirez]

i think cedeno, pie, hill, and williams might be enough. 4 really solid prospects. they would free up a ton of money. we'd back stacked and positioned to make a WS run. D-Lee, Aramis, and Tejada would be ridiculous. absolutely ridiculous.

[JeffH]

I have a feeling Pie will be involved in any deal we make for Tejada. To give up a player of his caliber, they will won't the gem of our minor league system.

 

Vance, I disagree. I don't believe Hendry will include him.

 

We can discuss whether that's a mistake, but I don't think Pie will be part of any Cubs offer.

[ThePenguin11]

I am not sure if a package of Pie, Cedeno, Hill and J. Williams & cash would be enough to make this deal happen. Realize here that everyone proposing trades is talking about getting one superstar in return for a bushel full of "what if's."

Would you trade Derrek Lee for the above-mentioned four prospects? I don't think I would. Why would Baltimore trade their version of Derrek Lee for the same?

 

The Cubs and O's are in very different situations. The Cubs have the highest payroll in their division and already have the pitching to be a serious postseason contender. The O's aren't even close. They are the 4th best team in their division (with Tampa catching up) and that is with Miggy. Then factor in that he is asking for a trade.

 

If they do decide to deal him it would be in their best interests to try to get 3-4 young pitchers who could have an impact on the club (while being cheap, too) for a number of years. Add in Bedard and Cabrera and they could have the pitching to contend in the AL EAst for a few years.

 

If I'm Baltimore I would seriously consider Williams, Hill, Wuertz, and Cedeno. I would prolly take that deal if I was either team.

 

If I'm not mistaken, Hayden Penn has a chance to be a very good ML starter as well. He wasn't great last year as a rookie, but he might be real good.