Corey Patterson for Kevin Mench REJECTED by TX

[Blueheart05]

The Rangers rejected the offer to swap Corey for Kevin:

 

The Rangers reportedly rejected an offer of Corey Patterson for Kevin Mench.

Of course they did. It's as like as ever that Patterson is on his way out of Chicago. The Cubs might end up non-tendering him. Dec. 8 - 3:49 pm et

Source: Arlington Heights Daily Herald

 

Says Rotoworld

 

Bruce Miles

 

The Cubs have tried to trade Patterson this off-season — reports out of Texas say the Rangers rejected a deal that would have sent Patterson there for outfielder Kevin Mench — and general manager Jim Hendry is likely to step up those efforts.

[UBlink]

Why would Texas want Patterson? They already have 2 good glove/no hit CF's in Nix and Mathews. If you want Mench send them some pitching. I think the Soriano deal shows Daniels isn't going to get fleeced.

[erik316wttn]

Who here wants to bet that since the Cubs are playing the desperation card AGAIN that Hendry will make a move--- any move--- just to get rid of him, and we'll get royally fleeced.

[rocket]

Who here wants to bet that since the Cubs are playing the desperation card AGAIN that Hendry will make a move--- any move--- just to get rid of him, and we'll get royally fleeced.

 

Well, I guess getting fleeced is better than non-tendering him, which is probably what the Cubs would do if they can't find any takers.

[CuseCubFan69]

Who here wants to bet that since the Cubs are playing the desperation card AGAIN that Hendry will make a move--- any move--- just to get rid of him, and we'll get royally fleeced.

 

Maybe Hendry will trade Patterson for a PTBNL? :wink:

[jjgman21]

Who here wants to bet that since the Cubs are playing the desperation card AGAIN that Hendry will make a move--- any move--- just to get rid of him, and we'll get royally fleeced.

 

how is that possible? according you your rants all summer, he isn't worth anything. how does one get fleeced when trading something that has no value?

[cjbucks]

Who here wants to bet that since the Cubs are playing the desperation card AGAIN that Hendry will make a move--- any move--- just to get rid of him, and we'll get royally fleeced.

 

how is that possible? according you your rants all summer, he isn't worth anything. how does one get fleeced when trading something that has no value?

 

See where Hendry screwed up here is that he must have released those tapes to the media of Patterson striking out every other at bat last year. Makes it look like we have to get rid of him :wink:

[Roast]

Thank you texas for rejecting that offer. I have a sick feeling that if we get mench then Hendry will be content with the outfield. Mench/Pierre/Murton would suck massivley.

[LoneStarCubFan]

Thank you texas for rejecting that offer. I have a sick feeling that if we get mench then Hendry will be content with the outfield. Mench/Pierre/Murton would suck massivley.

 

Worse than Duhollansboisgerutlawton/CP/Burnitz? Please.

 

That outfield would be a massive upgrade over last year. I don't understand the Juan Pierre hate around here.

[Roast]

I don't understand the Juan Pierre hate around here.

 

Its not so much hate as realization that he's vastly overrated. I beleive Tim has done a very good job of describing why he (we) feel he is overrated a couple of times. I'd give you a link if i had one. But what it boils down to is even when he bats .300+ he is not getting his obp more than 20/30 points higher than his AVG, meaning he doesnt walk. At all. And some people have a facination with his speed. Speed is fine, but he cant steal to save his life, he gets caught 25% of the time. Plus his defense (mainly the routes he takes to the ball, and his arm) are terrible. He makes up for the routes with his speed most of the time, however.

 

And I never ever said it wouldnt be better than last years outfield. But we could still do so much better, why settle when plausable upgrades are out there?

[Andy]

he cant steal to save his life, he gets caught 25% of the time.

Isn't that the break-even point of SB effectiveness? I wouldn't call that "can't steal to save his life".

[hawkeyecub]

I don't understand the Juan Pierre hate around here.

 

Its not so much hate as realization that he's vastly overrated. I beleive Tim has done a very good job of describing why he (we) feel he is overrated a couple of times. I'd give you a link if i had one. But what it boils down to is even when he bats .300+ he is not getting his obp more than 20/30 points higher than his AVG, meaning he doesnt walk. At all.

 

That's just wrong. Pierre's career IsoD is .050. In '03 it was .056, in '04 it was .048, in '05 it was .050. If he hits .300, he's going to get you a .350 OBP.

By comparision's sake Todd Walker's career IsoD is .058. In '03 it was .050, in '04 it was .078 in '05 it was .050. Last year Walker hit .305/.355 which is Pierre's career numbers.

 

Yet the popular opinion by many is that Walker is a walk machine, while Pierre can't get on unless he slaps a single.

[JeffH]

But what it boils down to is even when he bats .300+ he is not getting his obp more than 20/30 points higher than his AVG, meaning he doesnt walk.

 

Please don't exaggerate.

[hawkeyecub]

I don't understand the Juan Pierre hate around here.

 

Speed is fine, but he cant steal to save his life, he gets caught 25% of the time.

 

75% is a very solid percentage. To say he can't steal to save his life is absurd.

[Bull]

But what it boils down to is even when he bats .300+ he is not getting his obp more than 20/30 points higher than his AVG, meaning he doesnt walk.

 

Please don't exaggerate.

 

I've told him that a million times.

[hawkeyecub]

he cant steal to save his life, he gets caught 25% of the time.

Isn't that the break-even point of SB effectiveness? I wouldn't call that "can't steal to save his life".

 

Some say 75% is the break even point but I've heard 70% quite a bit also.

People don't understand what a good percentage is and like to throw out that "he gets caught so much it's not worth it." Well with some people it is, but if you're at 75% or higher, run.

For crying out loud there were people on this board saying Furcal wasn't a good base stealer because he's only 78% successful on his career and the last 3 years he's gone 93, 83 and 82 percent.

 

There aren't many active base stealers who are successful over 80% of the time.

[Roast]

But what it boils down to is even when he bats .300+ he is not getting his obp more than 20/30 points higher than his AVG, meaning he doesnt walk.

 

Please don't exaggerate.

 

I've told him that a million times.

 

Aside from the fact that that comment is quite condescending, I dont think you have.

[XZero771679666304]

I don't understand the Juan Pierre hate around here.

 

Speed is fine, but he cant steal to save his life, he gets caught 25% of the time.

 

75% is a very solid percentage. To say he can't steal to save his life is absurd.

 

75% is borderline. Not particularly good, but not terrible.

Edited December 8, 2005 by XZero77

[CardsFanInChiTown]

But what it boils down to is even when he bats .300+ he is not getting his obp more than 20/30 points higher than his AVG, meaning he doesnt walk.

 

Please don't exaggerate.

 

I've told him that a million times.

 

Aside from the fact that that comment is quite condescending, I dont think you have.

 

I believe that was a joke - "I've told him that a million times." is exaggerating.

[Bull]

But what it boils down to is even when he bats .300+ he is not getting his obp more than 20/30 points higher than his AVG, meaning he doesnt walk.

 

Please don't exaggerate.

 

I've told him that a million times.

 

Aside from the fact that that comment is quite condescending, I dont think you have.

 

I believe that was a joke - "I've told him that a million times." is exaggerating.

 

True...I haven't even told him once.

[Roast]

But what it boils down to is even when he bats .300+ he is not getting his obp more than 20/30 points higher than his AVG, meaning he doesnt walk.

 

Please don't exaggerate.

 

I've told him that a million times.

 

Aside from the fact that that comment is quite condescending, I dont think you have.

 

I believe that was a joke - "I've told him that a million times." is exaggerating.

 

True...I haven't even told him once.

WOw.... I'll just go crawl back in my hole now. How did i miss that?

[Jehrico]

I don't understand the Juan Pierre hate around here.

 

Speed is fine, but he cant steal to save his life, he gets caught 25% of the time.

 

75% is a very solid percentage. To say he can't steal to save his life is absurd.

 

75% is borderline. Not particularly good, but not terrible.

 

How many guys with over 15 SB attempts have a higher percentage? I think you would find he's in the top 15% or so, I don't know exactly. 75% would be above average for guys that do a bit of running.

[Jehrico]

As far as CPatt goes, the Nats just shipped off two outfielders, and have shown they're capable of being ripped off. That's where we need to focus our Corey efforts.

[Backtobanks]

he cant steal to save his life, he gets caught 25% of the time.

Isn't that the break-even point of SB effectiveness? I wouldn't call that "can't steal to save his life".

 

I think one of the "experts" on Baseball Tonight said that Pierre started last year with a leg injury which hampered his base stealing.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

As far as CPatt goes, the Nats just shipped off two outfielders, and have shown they're capable of being ripped off. That's where we need to focus our Corey efforts.

 

But they shipped off the outfielder we would want to rip them off for. :x