Cubs possibly in a 3 way trade with Mets and Boston??

[mg420]

I'd do the Floyd deal but not for Hill and then go after a good 4th OF that can play 3rd and 1st.

 

they already have maybury who fits that description.

[rawaction]

Floyd's a good player. I'd welcome him. Would like a bigger bat, but I've been expected Pierre and Floyd at CF and RF for a while now (expect Furcal at SS, though).

[soapy]

Let's say you get 600 at bats apiece from LF and RF. Divide it up so Murton, Mench and Floyd each get around 400, and you should have a pretty good OF.

 

I agreed with this the other day (or was that just this morning?) and I still do. I think it's a decent option. Having Murton/Mench/Floyd (whoever isn't playing that day) as the first PH off the bench would also be nice.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Dan Patrick on ESPN Radio talking with Bob Bightengale from USA Today:

 

 

Quote:

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The Mets will need a third team to get involved with Boston for a Manny deal and he thinks it is the Cubs

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This is what he said the proposed deal would be:

 

Boston gets: Milledge, Heilman, and cubs prospect

Mets get: Manny Rameriez

Cubs get: Cliff Flyod

 

Floyd was able to stay healthy last season and had a monster year. Guess it depends on what they would be asking for Flyod.

 

Dont know how reliable Bightengale is, just passing on the info.

 

I heard the interview and this is not what Nightengale said. What he said was that the Mets needed a third team to do any deal for Manny.

 

He then said that if the Mets got Manny and still had Cliff Floyd that the Cubs would probably want to trade for Floyd. He never said anything about the Cubs being in a three-way deal involving Manny.

 

thank you! thank you! thank you!

[BigbadB]

Some of you are going to go ballistic, but you should know that many baseball insiders don't believe Murton will be one of the Cubs' top three outfielders.

 

i would say they are wrong as the "baseball insiders" quite often are. hendry really seems to like murton and looking at his performance last year he is almost sure to be penciled in as the starting left fielder. it doesnt hurt that he is the only player left from the nomar trade and that hendry reportedly insisted on him being included for the deal to go down.

 

Hendry really liked Choi, and we saw how that turned out. Hendry really liked Dubois, and we saw how that turned out. Hendry really liked Cedeno and Murton this offseason, but Neifi got signed to a 2/5m deal and he's not done toying with the outfield yet.

 

My prediction is that Murton will platoon in the outfield in '06, and Neifi will get 3/4 of the at bats at what ever position he and Cedeno share.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'd do the Floyd deal but not for Hill and then go after a good 4th OF that can play 3rd and 1st.

 

they already have maybury who fits that description.

 

I said good. :wink:

 

I forgot about Mabry...I guess I keep thinking he will end up starting in LF

[goonys evil twin]

Let's say you get 600 at bats apiece from LF and RF. Divide it up so Murton, Mench and Floyd each get around 400, and you should have a pretty good OF.

 

I agreed with this the other day (or was that just this morning?) and I still do. I think it's a decent option. Having Murton/Mench/Floyd (whoever isn't playing that day) as the first PH off the bench would also be nice.

 

If Bradley could be counted on not to bitch about playing time (or better yet, take time away from Pierre) then I'd throw him into the mix as well.

 

With no guaranteed OF production yet, you probably need either one stud, or two pretty good bats brought in. I would have no problem with Murton getting 300-400 at bats if the other OF bats are qualified.

[Hosak8]

I'd do the Floyd deal but not for Hill and then go after a good 4th OF that can play 3rd and 1st.

 

If we acquire Floyd, do will still have anough to acquire Lugo and Huff? I'd like that, as long as Huff is a utility guy/reserve.

[JeffH]

I'd do the Floyd deal but not for Hill and then go after a good 4th OF that can play 3rd and 1st.

 

they already have maybury who fits that description.

 

Mabry should get the Macias role. Get another 4th OF type, like Bigbie.

 

Bigbie-Murton-Mabry-Perez-Blanco

 

is a bench I could finally support.

[CubinNY]

I think it would be a tad bit ironic that Hendry wouldn't be able to get the impact player this offseason, but he'd help the Mets get the most significant impact bat of the offseason. [-(

 

Ironic and pathetic at the same time.

 

Nothing ironic or pathetic about it. The list of impact bats that satisfy this crowd is usually 5 players long at most, so it's pretty darn close to a no-win situation people put him in. Floyd for one year is a nice addition.

 

If Floyd is the impact player you are looking for the Cubs to get. Then you have some pretty low expectations.

 

Floyd will do nothing but push Murton to the bench, which by itself isn't a disaster, but the pick up does nothing to solve the problem in RF.

 

As I wrote earlier though, he is not a bad player. But he is a risk at a time when the Cubs already have too many risks.

 

However, I would be content with an outfield of (LF) Floyd (CF) Slappy (RF) MONOPOLY! (Bradley). Not sure Hendry would like it though.

Edited December 7, 2005 by CubinNY

[RynoRules]

Put Floyd between Lee and ARam with Pierre in CF and we have the makings of a decent lineup. But I also do want to give up a prospect of any signifigance.

 

If the move pushes Murton into a deal to get Abreu or Dunn, i could live with that, even though I really like Murton.

Edited December 7, 2005 by RynoRules

[soapy]

Let's say you get 600 at bats apiece from LF and RF. Divide it up so Murton, Mench and Floyd each get around 400, and you should have a pretty good OF.

 

I agreed with this the other day (or was that just this morning?) and I still do. I think it's a decent option. Having Murton/Mench/Floyd (whoever isn't playing that day) as the first PH off the bench would also be nice.

 

If Bradley could be counted on not to bitch about playing time (or better yet, take time away from Pierre) then I'd throw him into the mix as well.

 

With no guaranteed OF production yet, you probably need either one stud, or two pretty good bats brought in. I would have no problem with Murton getting 300-400 at bats if the other OF bats are qualified.

 

I just mentioned that in the Bradley thread. If the Cubs can get Bradley and Floyd (no Mench) all the better. That leaves you with the possibility of looking at a Cedeno/Perez MI though. I don't think the Cubs can get Floyd and Bradley without losing Walker.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'd do the Floyd deal but not for Hill and then go after a good 4th OF that can play 3rd and 1st.

 

they already have maybury who fits that description.

 

Mabry should get the Macias role. Get another 4th OF type, like Bigbie.

 

Bigbie-Murton-Mabry-Perez-Blanco

 

is a bench I could finally support.

 

Who starts in left? I think you only have 12 guys.

[JeffH]

I'd do the Floyd deal but not for Hill and then go after a good 4th OF that can play 3rd and 1st.

 

they already have maybury who fits that description.

 

Mabry should get the Macias role. Get another 4th OF type, like Bigbie.

 

Bigbie-Murton-Mabry-Perez-Blanco

 

is a bench I could finally support.

 

Who starts in left? I think you only have 12 guys.

 

I'm one of the ones that wants to bring in 3 new outfielders (including Pierre).

 

As a primary LF, Floyd would work. Wilkerson, too. Green. Huff. Any number of guys.

[LuckyPup]

Wouldn't mind The Cubs getting in a 3-way with the Angels and Red Sox-

 

Angels get-Manny+Cpatt

Red Sox get-Finley+Cabrera+TWalk+Prospects(1 Angel+1Cub)

Cubs get-Renteria

 

I could deal with Renteria batting 2nd behind Pierre-We basically were offering Furcal 10M a year for 5 years-we could get Edgar for a shorter term-plus with the deductions of 2 spare parts in Cpatt(3M) and TWalk(2.5M) he only costs us 4.5M against the budget-His D ain't bad either.....

[Clogged Basepaths]

But who is going to hit in the JUAN-HOLE!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you don't know what I'm referencing, go check Kiley's article about Pierre today, near the bottom.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Wouldn't mind The Cubs getting in a 3-way with the Angels and Red Sox-

 

Angels get-Manny+Cpatt

Red Sox get-Finley+Cabrera+TWalk+Prospects(1 Angel+1Cub)

Cubs get-Renteria

 

I could deal with Renteria batting 2nd behind Pierre-We basically were offering Furcal 10M a year for 5 years-we could get Edgar for a shorter term-plus with the deductions of 2 spare parts in Cpatt(3M) and TWalk(2.5M) he only costs us 4.5M against the budget-His D ain't bad either.....

 

Walker + CPatt + prospect is way too much to give up for Renteria. Cedeno can put up similar numbers for quite a few million less.

[mg420]

Wouldn't mind The Cubs getting in a 3-way with the Angels and Red Sox-

 

Angels get-Manny+Cpatt

Red Sox get-Finley+Cabrera+TWalk+Prospects(1 Angel+1Cub)

Cubs get-Renteria

 

I could deal with Renteria batting 2nd behind Pierre-We basically were offering Furcal 10M a year for 5 years-we could get Edgar for a shorter term-plus with the deductions of 2 spare parts in Cpatt(3M) and TWalk(2.5M) he only costs us 4.5M against the budget-His D ain't bad either.....

 

i would MUCH rather have cedeno at ss than renteria. hopefully so would hendry.

[YearofDaCubs]

Don't know about anyone else, but I DON'T want Floyd anywhere near the Cubs....don't know why Hendry is so fascinated (SP?) with him.

Agreed. I would rather have Bradley or look at other options over Floyd. Just say no Hendry.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I like Floyd. If you get him and Patterson isn't around next year, then there's plenty of RH corner OF's that have good platoon splits, and you can get real good production out of RF.

[YearofDaCubs]

Wouldn't mind The Cubs getting in a 3-way with the Angels and Red Sox-

 

Angels get-Manny+Cpatt

Red Sox get-Finley+Cabrera+TWalk+Prospects(1 Angel+1Cub)

Cubs get-Renteria

 

I could deal with Renteria batting 2nd behind Pierre-We basically were offering Furcal 10M a year for 5 years-we could get Edgar for a shorter term-plus with the deductions of 2 spare parts in Cpatt(3M) and TWalk(2.5M) he only costs us 4.5M against the budget-His D ain't bad either.....

Adding Renteria makes no sense at all.

[Derwood]

Wouldn't mind The Cubs getting in a 3-way with the Angels and Red Sox-

 

Angels get-Manny+Cpatt

Red Sox get-Finley+Cabrera+TWalk+Prospects(1 Angel+1Cub)

Cubs get-Renteria

 

I could deal with Renteria batting 2nd behind Pierre-We basically were offering Furcal 10M a year for 5 years-we could get Edgar for a shorter term-plus with the deductions of 2 spare parts in Cpatt(3M) and TWalk(2.5M) he only costs us 4.5M against the budget-His D ain't bad either.....

Adding Renteria makes no sense at all.

 

agreed

[TheDude]

I think it would be a tad bit ironic that Hendry wouldn't be able to get the impact player this offseason, but he'd help the Mets get the most significant impact bat of the offseason. [-(

 

Ironic and pathetic at the same time.

 

Nothing ironic or pathetic about it. The list of impact bats that satisfy this crowd is usually 5 players long at most, so it's pretty darn close to a no-win situation people put him in. Floyd for one year is a nice addition.

 

If Floyd is the impact player you are looking for the Cubs to get. Then you have some pretty realistic expectations.

 

I fixed it for you.

[mg420]

Don't know about anyone else, but I DON'T want Floyd anywhere near the Cubs....don't know why Hendry is so fascinated (SP?) with him.

Agreed. I would rather have Bradley or look at other options over Floyd. Just say no Hendry.

 

what does bradley give the cubs that floyd doesnt (other than a hair trigger temper & a long rap sheet)? bradley has only played 1 full season in his career and hit .267 with 19 hrs and a .786 ops. floyd's .273 34 hr .862 ops last year blows that away.

[NoDak]

Jayson Stark reported today that CHC is likely to get Milton Bradley. I would take that in a heartbeat over Cliff Floyd. Much younger, higher ceiling. While he has a reputation of being a malcontent the main advantage to getting Baker as our mgr is that he does well with veterans who are..."moody." Bradley has less power, but gets on base and plays solid defense. CHC does not need more power, they need someone to get on base. Put on top of that that he is MUCH cheaper in salary and may be cheaper in trade.