Pie = Patterson II?

[StMarksCubs]

I'm trying to figure out two things:

 

1. Why haven't we done anything yet?

 

2. How the heck do we know that Pie isn't Patterson II, or Pat Cline, or.. (I don't think I need to list them all)...

 

Maybe I'm just looking for some solace as to why we're hanging onto this guy, when clearly he's got a bullseye on his back from every team that talks to us!

[PieOnMyHands]

I was thinking the same thing today.

 

However, rest assured that Pie will most likely have a successful Major League career.

 

Patterson is a poopy head.

[rawaction]

Welcome to the board. All prospects are not created equal. I love Felix, but I would trade him for a difference maker. If we're talking Pierre, I'm keeping Pie.

[Careless]

 

2. How the heck do we know that Pie isn't Patterson II, or Pat Cline, or.. (I don't think I need to list them all)...

You don't. that's why at some point, without any guarantees, you have to stick the rookie in the batting order and see if he can do it.

[USSoccer]

Welcome to the board. All prospects are not created equal. I love Felix, but I would trade him for a difference maker. If we're talking Pierre, I'm keeping Pie.

 

If Pie landed us Abreu, Manny or Dunn, then I'd happily pack Felix's bags.

 

For anyone else, I'd hang onto him.

[hardcorecubfan]

 

2. How the heck do we know that Pie isn't Patterson II, or Pat Cline, or.. (I don't think I need to list them all)...

You don't. that's why at some point, without any guarantees, you have to stick the rookie in the batting order and see if he can do it.

 

that isn't true we have prognosticators on this site that said Patterson was a five tool man that was the next wunderkind.

 

In fact I am looking for them now.

 

I am glad corey came along it humbled many "I know everything about baseball and human nature people."

 

Maybe we can start judging these guys after 3 solid season in the majors instead of an april in their rookie year or AAA

[StMarksCubs]

 

2. How the heck do we know that Pie isn't Patterson II, or Pat Cline, or.. (I don't think I need to list them all)...

You don't. that's why at some point, without any guarantees, you have to stick the rookie in the batting order and see if he can do it.

 

that isn't true we have prognosticators on this site that said Patterson was a five tool man that was the next wunderkind.

 

In fact I am looking for them now.

 

I am glad corey came along it humbled many "I know everything about baseball and human nature people."

 

Maybe we can start judging these guys after 3 solid season in the majors instead of an april in their rookie year or AAA

 

Well, I think things would be much different now if one of two things had happened:

 

a) They gave him more than two months in AA

 

b) He never got injured in 2003... man, was he hot before that happened.

 

Why he never really bounced back from that injury/setback, I'll never know.

[BigbadB]

that isn't true we have prognosticators on this site that said Patterson was a five tool man that was the next wunderkind.

 

Patterson does have 5 tools. He just hasn't put them all together. Maybe he will some day, maybe he won't. Did you hope he would fail while many of us cheered for him to succeed?

 

In fact I am looking for them now.

 

So you can say "I told you so"?

 

[i am glad corey came along it humbled many "I know everything about baseball and human nature people."

 

Are you saying that you hoped that Patterson would fail just so you could rub people's noses in it? Did you place more importance on this than the Cub's winning?

 

Maybe we can start judging these guys after 3 solid season in the majors instead of an april in their rookie year or AAA

 

Because you say so?

 

I'm sold. :roll:

[StMarksCubs]

that isn't true we have prognosticators on this site that said Patterson was a five tool man that was the next wunderkind.

 

Patterson does have 5 tools. He just hasn't put them all together. Maybe he will some day, maybe he won't. Did you hope he would fail while many of us cheered for him to succeed?

 

If you read between the lines, it seemed to me that he was just too stubborn to take anyone's suggestions on how to use, or improve those tools. He all but refused to bunt to get on base, and probably just didn't work all that hard.. this refusal to go to Winter Ball had to be the final straw.

 

However, Eric Patterson seems to be the real deal. Provided the Cubs don't screw him up, he's putting up some real nice numbers in the minors, and there's no talk of jetting him up to the bigs well before his time (yet).

[Mark_R]

that isn't true we have prognosticators on this site that said Patterson was a five tool man that was the next wunderkind.

 

Patterson does have 5 tools. He just hasn't put them all together. Maybe he will some day, maybe he won't. Did you hope he would fail while many of us cheered for him to succeed?

 

In fact I am looking for them now.

 

So you can say "I told you so"?

 

[i am glad corey came along it humbled many "I know everything about baseball and human nature people."

 

Are you saying that you hoped that Patterson would fail just so you could rub people's noses in it? Did you place more importance on this than the Cub's winning?

 

Maybe we can start judging these guys after 3 solid season in the majors instead of an april in their rookie year or AAA

 

Because you say so?

 

I'm sold. :roll:

 

BBB, I'm not really exuberant or unhappy about Juan Pierre, but I hope you enforce this "I told you" stuff if Pierre has a lousy season. Because I could see the same thing coming out of the woodwork.

[rocket]

that isn't true we have prognosticators on this site that said Patterson was a five tool man that was the next wunderkind.

 

Patterson does have 5 tools. He just hasn't put them all together. Maybe he will some day, maybe he won't. Did you hope he would fail while many of us cheered for him to succeed?

 

If you read between the lines, it seemed to me that he was just too stubborn to take anyone's suggestions on how to use, or improve those tools. He all but refused to bunt to get on base, and probably just didn't work all that hard.. this refusal to go to Winter Ball had to be the final straw.

 

However, Eric Patterson seems to be the real deal. Provided the Cubs don't screw him up, he's putting up some real nice numbers in the minors, and there's no talk of jetting him up to the bigs well before his time (yet).

 

scouts: corey, i have figured out how to make you a great player.

corey: leave me alone, i'd rather have poor stats.

[Mad Dog 2020]

Welcome to the board. All prospects are not created equal. I love Felix, but I would trade him for a difference maker. If we're talking Pierre, I'm keeping Pie.

 

If Pie landed us Abreu, Manny or Dunn, then I'd happily pack Felix's bags.

 

For anyone else, I'd hang onto him.

 

I pretty much agree. Could anyone expect Pie to be any better than a Manny, Abreu, or Dunn? To me, keeping him is a gamble while getting someone of all star calibre already proven is a sound decision. I would deal him if something great came up.

[CuseCubFan69]

Personally I think Patterson listened to too many people and that is why he is struggling.

 

On Pie I think he is a young man who is very talented and hopefully will continue to learn and get better. I would trade him in a package for an impact player and that's it for now.

[BigbadB]

that isn't true we have prognosticators on this site that said Patterson was a five tool man that was the next wunderkind.

 

Patterson does have 5 tools. He just hasn't put them all together. Maybe he will some day, maybe he won't. Did you hope he would fail while many of us cheered for him to succeed?

 

In fact I am looking for them now.

 

So you can say "I told you so"?

 

[i am glad corey came along it humbled many "I know everything about baseball and human nature people."

 

Are you saying that you hoped that Patterson would fail just so you could rub people's noses in it? Did you place more importance on this than the Cub's winning?

 

Maybe we can start judging these guys after 3 solid season in the majors instead of an april in their rookie year or AAA

 

Because you say so?

 

I'm sold. :roll:

 

BBB, I'm not really exuberant or unhappy about Juan Pierre, but I hope you enforce this "I told you" stuff if Pierre has a lousy season. Because I could see the same thing coming out of the woodwork.

 

I'll enforce it any time I see it. Every Cub fan wants to see the Cubs win. That should be the bottom line. I'm not a big fan of this Pierre move, but I certainly wouldn't want them to lose just so I can say "I told you so".

 

I don't think the "I told you so" stuff works anyway. I don't think it should take 3 years to evaluate every prospect. Every prospect is different. Every player playing the game today was a prospect at one point or another. It just seems like a rarity that the Cubs produce one themselves. I understand the bitterness. I understand the loyalty to hang on to those prospects, because they watched them develop all the way through the minors.

 

A person shouldn't be persecuted for their belief in how a team should be constructed or when a team should give up on a prospect or bench an unproductive starter, etc... A person has their belief, and no matter how much or how many people attempt to blow their belief out of the water, nothing can make that person change that belief.

 

There are still many people who have faith in Jim Hendry and Dusty Baker. I have no ill thoughts for those people, and those people shouldn't have ill thoughts on my belief that Hendry and Baker should be sent out of town tarred and feathered.

 

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I'm sure I have laid an insult out there a few times here and there. Sometimes even the most respectful of posters toe the line of decency on this board. A brain fart, a few too many beers, etc.

 

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[Andy]

Well said Triple B, but as much as I love being on this site (hell, look at my post count and I've only been here for two months, that ought to tell you something), I'll probably be out celebrating when the Cubs finally win it all. I'll be back at 7 am the morning after, hung over, after the site has crashed from the volume of posters, though. :D

[Jehrico]

 

2. How the heck do we know that Pie isn't Patterson II, or Pat Cline, or.. (I don't think I need to list them all)...

 

For the same reason you don't know whether or not he'll be the next Ricky Henderson, for the same reason we play the game throughout the season despite the fact that some sportswriters seem to give division titles out based on the offseason.

 

Corey Patterson's failures to live up to his potential in no way has any bearing at all on whether or not Pie will live up to his or not. Comparing him to Patterson at this point just flat out isn't fair.