Van Buren to the Red Sox

[TrueBlueCubFan]

40-man/rule 5 move:

 

Jermaine Van Buren - R - Red Sox

 

 

Red Sox acquired RHP Jermaine Van Buren from the Cubs for a player to be named.

We assume it will be a pretty good PTBN, but the Cubs will just block him by signing the 2008 versions of Bobby Howry and Scott Eyre three years from now. Van Buren, 25, has spectacular minor league numbers the last two years -- 59 hits allowed and 134 strikeouts in 112 IP. His low-90s fastball and slider should combine to make him a useful reliever, perhaps even a quality setup man in time. Dec. 1 - 1:48 pm et

 

To me, he showed much more potential than Welly or Novoa or Wuertz. I guess maybe the BoSox saw what I did. I hope that PTBNL is a very good one.

Wuertz> JVB

 

Did you check JVB's and Wuertz's minor league numbers?

 

Weurtz is 2 years ahead of JVB in his progress.

[CubinNY]

40-man/rule 5 move:

 

Jermaine Van Buren - R - Red Sox

 

 

Red Sox acquired RHP Jermaine Van Buren from the Cubs for a player to be named.

We assume it will be a pretty good PTBN, but the Cubs will just block him by signing the 2008 versions of Bobby Howry and Scott Eyre three years from now. Van Buren, 25, has spectacular minor league numbers the last two years -- 59 hits allowed and 134 strikeouts in 112 IP. His low-90s fastball and slider should combine to make him a useful reliever, perhaps even a quality setup man in time. Dec. 1 - 1:48 pm et

 

To me, he showed much more potential than Welly or Novoa or Wuertz. I guess maybe the BoSox saw what I did. I hope that PTBNL is a very good one.

Wuertz> JVB

 

Did you check JVB's and Wuertz's minor league numbers?

 

Weurtz is 2 years ahead of JVB in his progress.

 

What does that mean?

 

They aren't hard boiled eggs

[Balsa]

Wow. We better be getting a @#$% good PTBNL. This is no good. He never even had a chance at the majors.

[WrigleyField 22]

Although I would have rather seen a guy like Mitre, who has to make the roster or risk being lost on waivers, we obviously had to clear some room on the 40 man. Its possible that Hendry wasn't able to have a team take Mitre, so he had to give up JVB. Also maybe Hendry has different plans for some of the other guys. This isn't the last of the surplus arms that we'll see go in a trade.

 

 

And who knows who we'll get in a trade. It could be a servicable prospect.

[Cubzfan64]

Hopefully our scouts and talent evaluators made a good move here - personally I would have liked to have seen him pitch more last year just to see if he could translate any of his minor league stats to the big club.

 

Only thing we can do is hope we know what we're doing with moves like this one.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

are we going to have to wait until after the rule 5 draft to get our PTBNL? i can't remember the rosters are "frozen" or not. :? maybe i'm just imagining things again.

[ltb]

are we going to have to wait until after the rule 5 draft to get our PTBNL? i can't remember the rosters are "frozen" or not. :? maybe i'm just imagining things again.

 

yeah, that's the idea.

 

if the guy we want ends up being snatched in the rule 5 draft, we'll get a different player.

[Outshined_One]

this better be a pretty good ptbnl.

 

As memory serves me, Andy Shipman is like a better version of JVB.

[wvcbxl]

I hope this wasn't just to clear room on the 40 man roster while Jose Macias is still taking up a slot.

 

It was indeed a move for the sole purpose of clearing room. But hopefully not for Macias. What's his contractual situation anyway?

[Bull]

this better be a pretty good ptbnl.

 

Yeah, it better be Manny. After all JVB was about the 15th guy on the staff.

 

Manny can't be a ptbnl.

 

Not that he ever would be, but why can't he?

 

I think only minor leaguers are ptbnls. Manny is on the 25 man roster.

I might be wrong, but I don't there is a 25 man roster in the offseason

[JeffH]

To me, he showed much more potential than Welly or Novoa or Wuertz.

 

There go your chances of ever being a professional baseball scout.

[UK1679666180]

Whomever was involved with signing Van Buren out of the defunct Central League should be applauded for their efforts. He took that next step and gained some value in the Cubs system, it was a numbers game as far as why he was traded, hopefully the Cubs can get someone of value in return in a position of greater need than young, soon to be ready & RH'ed middle relievers.

[CuseCubFan69]

Van Buran has more value than Macias and if Macias is still on the roster for opening day I have no idea what Hendry sees as value. Edited December 2, 2005 by CuseCubFan69

[Ding Dong Johnson]

To me, he showed much more potential than Welly or Novoa or Wuertz.

 

There go your chances of ever being a professional baseball scout.

 

Based on what? I looked at their results. His minor league stats are much more impressive than those 3, and Novoa is the only one younger.

[XZero771679666304]

To me, he showed much more potential than Welly or Novoa or Wuertz.

 

There go your chances of ever being a professional baseball scout.

 

Based on what? I looked at their results. His minor league stats are much more impressive than those 3, and Novoa is the only one younger.

 

Stats don't tell the whole story. There are always going to be players who have stellar minor leagues stats who flop in the bigs while players who have lesser minor leagues stats go on to be successful. A sly pitcher with less than great stuff can dominate in the minors, but you have to go with ability when evaluating talent. Welly, Novoa and Wuertz all have better arms and stuff than JVB does.

[JeffH]

Have you ever seen the guy pitch?

 

He's Joe Borowski without the stuff or the command.

 

He's a good guy; I wish him well.

 

I am surprised they traded him, because we usually like to keep a guy with AAA experience and options down at Iowa in case of injury on the big club.

 

Let's not bemoan his loss, though.

[CubinNY]

To me, he showed much more potential than Welly or Novoa or Wuertz.

 

There go your chances of ever being a professional baseball scout.

 

Based on what? I looked at their results. His minor league stats are much more impressive than those 3, and Novoa is the only one younger.

 

Stats don't tell the whole story. There are always going to be players who have stellar minor leagues stats who flop in the bigs while players who have lesser minor leagues stats go on to be successful. A sly pitcher with less than great stuff can dominate in the minors, but you have to go with ability when evaluating talent. Welly, Novoa and Wuertz all have better arms and stuff than JVB does.

 

I'll echo Mr. There,

 

Based on what? JVB was a Pitcher of the Year in the minors according to Baseball America.

[CubinNY]

Have you ever seen the guy pitch?

 

He's Joe Borowski without the stuff or the command.

.

 

If either Eyre or Howry put together back to back season like JoBO did I'd be ecstatic.

 

and JVB had at least a chance to do for around the league minimum.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Stats don't tell the whole story. There are always going to be players who have stellar minor leagues stats who flop in the bigs while players who have lesser minor leagues stats go on to be successful. A sly pitcher with less than great stuff can dominate in the minors, but you have to go with ability when evaluating talent. Welly, Novoa and Wuertz all have better arms and stuff than JVB does.

 

I consider Welly's 6.19 ERA and 1.72 WHIP to be a flop. Some might consider Novoa's 4.80 and 1.57 to be a flop. How about Wuertz? He's only marginally better than Novoa. Stuff means nothing when the results aren't there.

[XZero771679666304]

Have you ever seen the guy pitch?

 

He's Joe Borowski without the stuff or the command.

.

 

If either Eyre or Howry put together back to back season like JoBO did I'd be ecstatic.

 

and JVB had at least a chance to do for around the league minimum.

 

Eyre and Howry both have far better stuff than JVB. So did JoBo. JVB might have had a chance to produce like JoBo, but it was miniscule.

 

How many players dominate (paticularly in AAA) but can't cut it in the bigs? JVB was released by another team for a reason.

[CubinNY]

 

How many players dominate (paticularly in AAA) but can't cut it in the bigs?.

 

Not many.

 

How many players dominate in the minors and go on to have average or better careers in the pros?

 

Many

 

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The caveat to this trade is to find out who the PTBL is. If he is a decent or better prospect, I don't have much of a quibble with the trade.

[Diffusion]

I'll be disappointed if we don't get a decent PTBNL out of this.

[goonys evil twin]

I'll be disappointed if we don't get a decent PTBNL out of this.

 

When dealing with a team that is being run by an apparantly maniacal team president and no real GM, you should be able to steal a decent prospect.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

 

How many players dominate (paticularly in AAA) but can't cut it in the bigs?.

 

Not many.

 

Exhibits A, B and C: Juan Cruz, Jason Dubois, Sergio Mitre. Classic "4A" players.

[Mark_R]

Don, weren't you one of JVB's biggest fans?