Patterson offered for Wilkerson

[b_wiggy_66]

This was in Peter Gammons new column:

 

The Cubs believe that if Furcal's respect for Bobby Cox doesn't take him back to Atlanta, they have the inside shot at him. They are trying to move Corey Patterson (they offered him to Washington for Brad Wilkerson, and Kevin Mench's name has come up); Matt Murton will play left. Jim Hendry also wants another starter and reliever.

 

"I wouldn't mind having seven starters," said Hendry, who knows that healthy pitching is what wins.

 

That would be awesome if Hendry could land Wilkerson.

[stitchface]

wow, that would be cool. where is the link to the column?

[b_wiggy_66]

Its on ESPN.com but its an Insider article.

[RockTheIvy]

Wow I would love to have Wilkerson. How is his CF defense? I know he has spent some time there? Imagine if we got him for CF and another impact bat for right? Whoaaaah now we're cookin with grease!

[Outshined_One]

I will officially laugh at anyone who goes ga-ga over Wilkerson, but doesn't want Dunn because of his Ks.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

i'd take pierre over wilkerson and i'm not fan of the noodle arm from florida.

[craig]

Offering Patterson for Wilkerson, that's like a big-time duh so-what offer.

 

He can offer Patterson or Mitre for Dontrelle or Mensch or Wilkerson or Pierre. He can offer, but that doesn't mean the other teams won't say "No" so fast your head would spin, and walk away shaking their heads laughing at the outrageousness of an offer like that. That's as silly as Marlins asking for Pie for Pierre, or Dodgers thinking they can get Pie for Bradley. Or as silly as thinking you could trade Sammy and all his money for Wilkerson last winter.

 

Some rumors are too silly to take seriously. Wilkerson for Patterson is one of them.

 

Cubs will need to offer a whole lot more than Corey if they want to get guys like Wilkerson or Mensch in return.

[CubsWin]

i'd take pierre over wilkerson and i'm not fan of the noodle arm from florida.

They are sort of direct opposites of each other.

 

Wilkerson has power, not a lot of speed, has difficultly making contact, limited defensive range in CF but a really good arm.

 

Pierre has no power, a lot of speed, rarely strikes out, has great range in CF but has no arm.

 

They both bat lefty and have pretty good career OBP, but other than that, they are completely different, but both fill needs that the Cubs have. I'm sort of torn between the two at the moment, but you seem clearly against Wilkerson. Help me out. Whatcha got?

[RockTheIvy]

Offering Patterson for Wilkerson, that's like a big-time duh so-what offer.

 

He can offer Patterson or Mitre for Dontrelle or Mensch or Wilkerson or Pierre. He can offer, but that doesn't mean the other teams won't say "No" so fast your head would spin, and walk away shaking their heads laughing at the outrageousness of an offer like that. That's as silly as Marlins asking for Pie for Pierre, or Dodgers thinking they can get Pie for Bradley. Or as silly as thinking you could trade Sammy and all his money for Wilkerson last winter.

 

Some rumors are too silly to take seriously. Wilkerson for Patterson is one of them.

 

Cubs will need to offer a whole lot more than Corey if they want to get guys like Wilkerson or Mensch in return.

 

I agree with you. I mean how do they write these things? Did Gammo just overhear Hendry ask Bowden about this then leave and write his column, completely ignoring what Bowden said? If they are trying to move Wilkerson, or just entertaining offers, you gotta believe there are more competetive offers.

[Mushimus]

Offering Patterson for Wilkerson, that's like a big-time duh so-what offer.

 

He can offer Patterson or Mitre for Dontrelle or Mensch or Wilkerson or Pierre. He can offer, but that doesn't mean the other teams won't say "No" so fast your head would spin, and walk away shaking their heads laughing at the outrageousness of an offer like that. That's as silly as Marlins asking for Pie for Pierre, or Dodgers thinking they can get Pie for Bradley. Or as silly as thinking you could trade Sammy and all his money for Wilkerson last winter.

 

Some rumors are too silly to take seriously. Wilkerson for Patterson is one of them.

 

Cubs will need to offer a whole lot more than Corey if they want to get guys like Wilkerson or Mensch in return.

 

What he said.

[stitchface]

Offering Patterson for Wilkerson, that's like a big-time duh so-what offer.

 

He can offer Patterson or Mitre for Dontrelle or Mensch or Wilkerson or Pierre. He can offer, but that doesn't mean the other teams won't say "No" so fast your head would spin, and walk away shaking their heads laughing at the outrageousness of an offer like that. That's as silly as Marlins asking for Pie for Pierre, or Dodgers thinking they can get Pie for Bradley. Or as silly as thinking you could trade Sammy and all his money for Wilkerson last winter.

 

Some rumors are too silly to take seriously. Wilkerson for Patterson is one of them.

 

Cubs will need to offer a whole lot more than Corey if they want to get guys like Wilkerson or Mensch in return.

 

christian guzman, vinny castilla, - reasons to hope.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I like the fact that he's pursuing Wilkerson at least. Of course, Patterson for Wilkerson won't happen, but maybe something will get worked out. If we trade for Wilkerson and Dunn, I'm going to need a new pair of pants.

[RockTheIvy]

I like the fact that he's pursuing Wilkerson at least. Of course, Patterson for Wilkerson won't happen, but maybe something will get worked out. If we trade for Wilkerson and Dunn, I'm going to need a new pair of pants.

 

Good point vance. If he is going after Wilkerson, does that mean he actually realizes that the Cubs need more OBP? The only reason I ask is because there are other OF who will post similar slugging %s, but very few who will walk as many times as Wilkerson. Is Hendry smarter than I think he is?

[Jehrico]

Offering Patterson for Wilkerson, that's like a big-time duh so-what offer.

 

He can offer Patterson or Mitre for Dontrelle or Mensch or Wilkerson or Pierre. He can offer, but that doesn't mean the other teams won't say "No" so fast your head would spin, and walk away shaking their heads laughing at the outrageousness of an offer like that. That's as silly as Marlins asking for Pie for Pierre, or Dodgers thinking they can get Pie for Bradley. Or as silly as thinking you could trade Sammy and all his money for Wilkerson last winter.

 

Some rumors are too silly to take seriously. Wilkerson for Patterson is one of them.

 

Cubs will need to offer a whole lot more than Corey if they want to get guys like Wilkerson or Mensch in return.

 

Keep in mind, that it does mean Hendry is interested in him. Of course he's not going to offer too much right off of the bat...he's going to see what Washington counters with, and then decide if somewhere in the middle is acceptable to him. I wouldn't expect a realistic offer to be the first offer from either side.

[CP_414]

This was also in that article:

 

Incidentally, for 2006, James projects: Ryan Howard to hit 44 homers; Marlins rookie Jeremy Hermida to hit 27 homers with a .946 OPS; Nats 3B Ryan Zimmerman .315; BJ Upton .270 with 13 homers; Delmon Young .284 with 16 HR; Rickie Weeks .267 with 26 HR; Rockies 1B Ryan Shealy .301 with 13 HR; Cubs CF Felix Pie to hit 21 HR and an .874 OPS; Mets 2B Anderson Hernandez .295 with a .336 OBP; Chris Ddenorfia .308; Cubs INF Ronnie Cedeno .310 with an .800 OPS; Murton .318 with an .859 OPS; and Orioles rookie Nick Markakis .315 with a .910 OPS.

 

Cubs fans, take note of Murton, Pie and Cedeno.

 

 

Those are Bill James projections. 21 HRs for Pie? Seriously? I'll take those numbers from Pie, Cedeno, and Murton.

[Jehrico]

What if Hendry signs Furcal and Giles, and trades for Wilkerson?

 

Furcal

Wilkerson

Lee

Giles

Aram

Murton

Barrett

Cedeno

 

 

I think I like it...Hendry could be on to something...

[stitchface]

This was also in that article:

 

Incidentally, for 2006, James projects: Ryan Howard to hit 44 homers; Marlins rookie Jeremy Hermida to hit 27 homers with a .946 OPS; Nats 3B Ryan Zimmerman .315; BJ Upton .270 with 13 homers; Delmon Young .284 with 16 HR; Rickie Weeks .267 with 26 HR; Rockies 1B Ryan Shealy .301 with 13 HR; Cubs CF Felix Pie to hit 21 HR and an .874 OPS; Mets 2B Anderson Hernandez .295 with a .336 OBP; Chris Ddenorfia .308; Cubs INF Ronnie Cedeno .310 with an .800 OPS; Murton .318 with an .859 OPS; and Orioles rookie Nick Markakis .315 with a .910 OPS.

 

Cubs fans, take note of Murton, Pie and Cedeno.

 

 

Those are Bill James projections. 21 HRs for Pie? Seriously? I'll take those numbers from Pie, Cedeno, and Murton.

 

wow, .874 OPS. I'll say right now that if all three posted a +.800 OPS, this team would be vastly improved (assuming they actually got to play). How did James make his projections?

[craig]

I just think that if Hendry still thinks he can offer Patterson and get genuinely valuable players with good value-per-salary in return, that's silly. As silly as going into last winter thinking he could move Sammy and all of his contract and get a valuable player in return. You can wish for that kind of thing all you like. But it isn't going to happen.

 

Sooner or later you need to get more realistic. Or else you're going to have to face the nontender date and decide whether you want to count on Corey at $2.5 as a serious candidate to be your center fielder; or nontender Corey rather than pay him $2.5 to be a backup; or take whatever you can get, if anything, for him. Which is going to be a lot less than values like Wilkerson, Mench, or even Pierre.

 

Trying to dream up deals for useful value-per-contract targets in which Corey is the principle bait just isn't going to work.

[CubsWin]

This was also in that article:

 

Incidentally, for 2006, James projects: Ryan Howard to hit 44 homers; Marlins rookie Jeremy Hermida to hit 27 homers with a .946 OPS; Nats 3B Ryan Zimmerman .315; BJ Upton .270 with 13 homers; Delmon Young .284 with 16 HR; Rickie Weeks .267 with 26 HR; Rockies 1B Ryan Shealy .301 with 13 HR; Cubs CF Felix Pie to hit 21 HR and an .874 OPS; Mets 2B Anderson Hernandez .295 with a .336 OBP; Chris Ddenorfia .308; Cubs INF Ronnie Cedeno .310 with an .800 OPS; Murton .318 with an .859 OPS; and Orioles rookie Nick Markakis .315 with a .910 OPS.

 

Cubs fans, take note of Murton, Pie and Cedeno.

 

 

Those are Bill James projections. 21 HRs for Pie? Seriously? I'll take those numbers from Pie, Cedeno, and Murton.

 

wow, .874 OPS. I'll say right now that if all three posted a +.800 OPS, this team would be vastly improved (assuming they actually got to play). How did James make his projections?

He down a fifth of whisky, put his right hand on Moneyball and swore to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth about the upcoming season.

[CP_414]

This was also in that article:

 

Incidentally, for 2006, James projects: Ryan Howard to hit 44 homers; Marlins rookie Jeremy Hermida to hit 27 homers with a .946 OPS; Nats 3B Ryan Zimmerman .315; BJ Upton .270 with 13 homers; Delmon Young .284 with 16 HR; Rickie Weeks .267 with 26 HR; Rockies 1B Ryan Shealy .301 with 13 HR; Cubs CF Felix Pie to hit 21 HR and an .874 OPS; Mets 2B Anderson Hernandez .295 with a .336 OBP; Chris Ddenorfia .308; Cubs INF Ronnie Cedeno .310 with an .800 OPS; Murton .318 with an .859 OPS; and Orioles rookie Nick Markakis .315 with a .910 OPS.

 

Cubs fans, take note of Murton, Pie and Cedeno.

 

 

Those are Bill James projections. 21 HRs for Pie? Seriously? I'll take those numbers from Pie, Cedeno, and Murton.

 

wow, .874 OPS. I'll say right now that if all three posted a +.800 OPS, this team would be vastly improved (assuming they actually got to play). How did James make his projections?

 

I have no idea how he comes up with those numbers for prospects. I believe he uses 4-year averages for veterans projections. Looks too good to be true (and I'm sure it is).

[stitchface]

or did he assume all three would be at AAA?

[muntjack]

Sadly, I do not want Wilkerson near a Dusty Baker team.

 

He is a lefty begging to be misused, seeing as for his career he is much better against left handed pitchers.

 

Dusty will figure this out (maybe) in September, when we are 8 games back. Until then, he will hit Brad 5th against righties and 7th against lefties (if in the lineup at all).

 

I understand this does not negate his positive effect on the lineup, however it does dilute it.

 

 

Wilkerson could still be useful, but counting on him to be the centerpiece acquisition this winter is asking for trouble, IMO.

[craig]

Also, if you decide to carry Corey at $2.5 as a backup CF, that kind of follows the same them as paying Neifi $2.5 as a backup middle infielder and paying Rusch $3 as a #7 starter. There may be some merit in building a roster with backup options like that. But it isn't going to construction plan that leaves room to sign guys like Giles. You can't have a roster crawling with $1.5-3.0 million dollar backups like Blanco, Hairston, Walker, Neifi, Corey and Rusch, plus sign guys like Giles besides.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'm not sure what the Nationals payroll situation is for next season, but Wilkerson made 3.05 million last season. He's arby eligible and likely will make in the 5 million range for 2006. That's certainly affordable, but unless he's locked up long term, he could walk. The Nationals have an abundance of outfielders with Church, Guillen, Wilkerson, and Byrd among others. I would be surprised if we ended up with Brad, but I guess its possible and it surely is desireable.

[Andy]

This was also in that article:

 

Incidentally, for 2006, James projects: Ryan Howard to hit 44 homers; Marlins rookie Jeremy Hermida to hit 27 homers with a .946 OPS; Nats 3B Ryan Zimmerman .315; BJ Upton .270 with 13 homers; Delmon Young .284 with 16 HR; Rickie Weeks .267 with 26 HR; Rockies 1B Ryan Shealy .301 with 13 HR; Cubs CF Felix Pie to hit 21 HR and an .874 OPS; Mets 2B Anderson Hernandez .295 with a .336 OBP; Chris Ddenorfia .308; Cubs INF Ronnie Cedeno .310 with an .800 OPS; Murton .318 with an .859 OPS; and Orioles rookie Nick Markakis .315 with a .910 OPS.

 

Cubs fans, take note of Murton, Pie and Cedeno.

 

 

Those are Bill James projections. 21 HRs for Pie? Seriously? I'll take those numbers from Pie, Cedeno, and Murton.

 

wow, .874 OPS. I'll say right now that if all three posted a +.800 OPS, this team would be vastly improved (assuming they actually got to play). How did James make his projections?

Well, he definitely didn't project that Dusty would be the Cubs' manager. Because there is no way in hell more than one rookie busts into the lineup this season unless Pie hits .500.