How good is Felix Pie?

[b_wiggy_66]

I have never seen Felix Pie play. I know from what I read that he is a very quick guy who saps the ball. Ive also read that he is a good defender with a great arm. I also read that he strikes out a lot and is not the best base stealer.

 

All we have hear over the past few years is that Pie is a top prospect ready to take Coreys job. recently though, people have looked at him closer now that he could be traded and im hearing more that he is only a little above average, struggles with the strike zone, and has a low OBP. Now I'm not as big as most on this board with OBP but for my leadoff guy its very important. I have also heard him drawing many comparisons to Corey Patterson lately.

 

Last night George Hufman was on the Score and he said many GMs would be interested in Pie. He also said that many were saying that he is not as good a prospect as many people think.

 

I think I would give up Pie for Pierre, both are young center fielders. And we already know what Pierre can do. Especially when he can lay bunts in to the high Wrigley grass and watch the sit there.

 

I would also give up Pie for Dunn imagine the best lefty power hitter in the game between Lee and A-Ram.

 

I think Pie is expendable but if your gonna trade him get another young guy.

Edited November 11, 2005 by b_wiggy_66

[Magnetic Curses]

very good. i especially like the french silk variety from VI.

[imb]

is cheese cake pie? it certainly isnt cake.

[Flames24Rulz]

I have never seen Felix Pie play. I know from what I read that he is a very quick guy who saps the ball. Ive also read that he is a good defender with a great arm. I also read that he strikes out a lot and is not the best base stealer.

 

All we have hear over the past few years is that Pie is a top prospect ready to take Coreys job. recently though, people have looked at him closer now that he could be traded and im hearing more that he is only a little above average, struggles with the strike zone, and has a low OBP. Now I'm not as big as most on this board with OBP but for my leadoff guy its very important. I have also heard him drawing many comparisons to Corey Patterson lately.

 

Last night George Hufman was on the Score and he said many GMs would be interested in Pie. He also said that many were saying that he is not as good a prospect as many people think.

 

I think I would give up Pie for Pierre, both are young center fielders. And we already know what Pierre can do. Especially when he can lay bunts in to the high Wrigley grass and watch the sit there.

 

I would also give up Pie for Dunn imagine the best lefty power hitter in the game between Lee and A-Ram.

 

I think Pie is expendable but if your gonna trade him get another young guy.

 

no to Pie for Pierre, but I would do Pie for Dunn pretty easily.

[MPrior]

First off, I'm not terribly high on Pie either, and think that he could be traded, if the price was right. But there is no way, under any circumstances, that I would trade Pie for Pierre. Pierre is overrated. And even if he were as good as everyone in the media seems to think (which he's not), he would not be worth Pie.

 

With Dunn, now you're talking. Depending on the rest of the deal, I could be convinced (although I bet he could be had for the right pitching package, not another outfielder).

[fromthestretch]

I have never seen Felix Pie play. I know from what I read that he is a very quick guy who saps the ball. Ive also read that he is a good defender with a great arm. I also read that he strikes out a lot and is not the best base stealer.

 

All we have hear over the past few years is that Pie is a top prospect ready to take Coreys job. recently though, people have looked at him closer now that he could be traded and im hearing more that he is only a little above average, struggles with the strike zone, and has a low OBP. Now I'm not as big as most on this board with OBP but for my leadoff guy its very important. I have also heard him drawing many comparisons to Corey Patterson lately.

 

Last night George Hufman was on the Score and he said many GMs would be interested in Pie. He also said that many were saying that he is not as good a prospect as many people think.

 

I think I would give up Pie for Pierre, both are young center fielders. And we already know what Pierre can do. Especially when he can lay bunts in to the high Wrigley grass and watch the sit there.

 

I would also give up Pie for Dunn imagine the best lefty power hitter in the game between Lee and A-Ram.

 

I think Pie is expendable but if your gonna trade him get another young guy.

 

I wouldn't give him up for Pierre. I would consider dealing him for Dunn, provided that the Cubs aren't required to take back dead weight in the form of Eric Milton and his bloated contract (or someone similar).

 

Pierre is ok, but his OBP is highly dependant on his batting average. If he only hits .280, he's not getting on base enough for his speed to be a factor. Pierre also has no power whatsoever. If he can't be acquired without Pie, then he shouldn't be acquired at all.

 

Yes, Pie does need to work on his plate discipline. However, the numbers he put up at AA this year, especially considering his age, were impressive. I believe he could use another full season in the minors though to work on things like his defense, his baserunning, and most importantly, his plate discipline.

[b_wiggy_66]

I would love to have Dunn, but I dont think that the Reds will ever trade him in the division.

[BigbadB]

He's 20.

 

He's in AA hitting over .300 AVG/.349 OBP/.554 SLG

 

He definitely needs to work on reading pitchers and improve his K/BB rates, but let me repeat. He's 20.

[Warpticon]

He's 20.

 

He's in AA hitting over .300 AVG/.349 OBP/.554 SLG

 

He definitely needs to work on reading pitchers and improve his K/BB rates, but let me repeat. He's 20.

 

But he's not a finished product!!!!!!!!!

[CuseCubFan69]

He's 20.

 

He's in AA hitting over .300 AVG/.349 OBP/.554 SLG

 

He definitely needs to work on reading pitchers and improve his K/BB rates, but let me repeat. He's 20.

 

But he's not a finished product!!!!!!!!!

 

Then wait until Baker puts his tarnish on him and then he'll be finished.

[BigbadB]

He's 20.

 

He's in AA hitting over .300 AVG/.349 OBP/.554 SLG

 

He definitely needs to work on reading pitchers and improve his K/BB rates, but let me repeat. He's 20.

 

But he's not a finished product!!!!!!!!!

 

I don't understand your comment. The original poster asked how good he is. I gave him that information. I know he's not a finished product as I previously stated.

 

However, to trade him with what he has done so far, it would take something special. Why? Because of what he has accomplished at the ripe young age of 20.

[b_wiggy_66]

What has he accomplished so far?

 

G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG

59 240 41 73 17 5 11 25 133 16 53 13 9 .349 .554 .304

 

 

Besides the Home Runs nothing there overwhelms me. He was on pace to strike out over 100 times in AA!!! No speed guy should ever have numbers that high.

 

His stolen bases arent real high and he got caught stealing almost as much as he made it.

 

I see the next coming of Corey Patterson!!!!

[Gunned]

He's 20.

 

He's in AA hitting over .300 AVG/.349 OBP/.554 SLG

 

He definitely needs to work on reading pitchers and improve his K/BB rates, but let me repeat. He's 20.

 

But he's not a finished product!!!!!!!!!

 

I don't understand your comment.

 

People on this board think it's funny when you sarcastically over-exaggerate. To each his own, I suppose.

[RyCubsFan]

Pie is going to be a star.

 

From all accounts about his work ethic, his positive infectious attitude, and his sheer athletic ability, there is a little doubt in my mind that Pie is going to be a regular all star. While I respect Pierre's ability, Felix Pie will soon be the player that Pierre wishes he could become.

 

At age 20, Pie is already a superior defensive centerfielder. He has a cannon for an arm, outstanding range, leaping ability, etc. He is already a better defender than Corey Patterson, and Pierre doesn't touch Pie in the field. Pie should win multiple gold gloves.

 

Pie has a very high offensive upside, which I believe he will reach. For really the first time, he was showing his power potential at Double A last year. He should reguarly hit 25 home runs a year or more in the majors.

 

There is no way that I would include Pie in a deal for Pierre unless Cabrera was coming back.

 

I think we're all a little jaded by the Corey Patterson journey. But Pie is a completely different person than Corey. There's no reason to believe that he will suffer the same fate. If Pie had not been injurred last June, no one would be mentioning trading him. He was having a simply outstanding year.

[hawkeyecub]

What has he accomplished so far?

 

G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG

59 240 41 73 17 5 11 25 133 16 53 13 9 .349 .554 .304

 

 

Besides the Home Runs nothing there overwhelms me. He was on pace to strike out over 100 times in AA!!! No speed guy should ever have numbers that high.

 

His stolen bases arent real high and he got caught stealing almost as much as he made it.

 

I see the next coming of Corey Patterson!!!!

 

Again, he's 20 and those numbers are from AA.

A .304/.349/.554 line from a 20 year old center fielder in AA is impressive. He's very good defensively and a great athlete. He's only been playing organized baseball for what, 5 years? He's definitely not a finished product, but he has a ton of upside and has already produced at a very high level.

[RockTheIvy]

What has he accomplished so far?

 

G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG

59 240 41 73 17 5 11 25 133 16 53 13 9 .349 .554 .304

 

 

Besides the Home Runs nothing there overwhelms me. He was on pace to strike out over 100 times in AA!!! No speed guy should ever have numbers that high.

 

His stolen bases arent real high and he got caught stealing almost as much as he made it.

 

I see the next coming of Corey Patterson!!!!

 

What I find promising is his slugging percentage. If he can improve his plate discipline, with his speed and power, he will be very good.

[CuseCubFan69]

What has he accomplished so far?

 

G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG

59 240 41 73 17 5 11 25 133 16 53 13 9 .349 .554 .304

 

 

Besides the Home Runs nothing there overwhelms me. He was on pace to strike out over 100 times in AA!!! No speed guy should ever have numbers that high.

 

His stolen bases arent real high and he got caught stealing almost as much as he made it.

 

I see the next coming of Corey Patterson!!!!

 

What I find promising is his slugging percentage. If he can improve his plate discipline, with his speed and power, he will be very good.

 

I forgot the comparisions between Pie and CPatt. I thought that at the same age Pie was pretty far ahead of Patterson or was I wrong?

[WrigleyField 22]

What has he accomplished so far?

 

G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG

59 240 41 73 17 5 11 25 133 16 53 13 9 .349 .554 .304

 

 

Besides the Home Runs nothing there overwhelms me. He was on pace to strike out over 100 times in AA!!! No speed guy should ever have numbers that high.

 

His stolen bases arent real high and he got caught stealing almost as much as he made it.

 

I see the next coming of Corey Patterson!!!!

 

Lucky for us and Pie, he got hurt and wasn't able to be rushed into the big leagues. He will not be Corey Patterson if he is given time to become the complete player that he has the natural ability to become.

 

The best thing about Pierre would be that there wouldn't be temptation from Hendry to pull up Pie too soon. It would buy Pie time until at least next season. I'm not sure when Pierre hits FA, but maybe we would even be able to use him the following year and ease in Pie as a PH/4th oufielder/platoon guy etc. So id we waited 2 years say, he could possibly be ready to take over as a full time starter(with starter quality) at age 23, right? If he can improve faster than that pace then hey, we get a quality starter even sooner.[/b]

[Ding Dong Johnson]

The best thing about Pierre would be that there wouldn't be temptation from Hendry to pull up Pie too soon. It would buy Pie time until at least next season.

 

Exactly. If all it takes is Patterson to get Pierre, do it. I am not a big fan of Pierre, but he's a much better choice than what we have been trotting out there.

 

If Pie has a great year at AA or even AAA, we can let Pierre walk and take a chance on Pie. It's a chance I'm willing to take (again, assuming another good year).

[Jehrico]

There's another enormous difference between Pie and CPatt that other people are overlooking...CPatt grew up playing organized baseball. Pie never had ANY coaching, any instruction, NADA, until the Cubs noticed him and brought him into the organization. He's only had three years playing something more organized than stickball in the streets...despite the overal "rawness" of Pie, he's managed to have quite a bit of success at each level he's played in despite being about the youngest guy in each league he has stopped at. He's incredibly advanced despite his rawness and youth. Those of you trying to grade him on the same principles as any other 23 year old at AA are making a mistake.

[BigbadB]

What has he accomplished so far?

 

G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG

59 240 41 73 17 5 11 25 133 16 53 13 9 .349 .554 .304

 

 

Besides the Home Runs nothing there overwhelms me. He was on pace to strike out over 100 times in AA!!! No speed guy should ever have numbers that high.

 

His stolen bases arent real high and he got caught stealing almost as much as he made it.

 

I see the next coming of Corey Patterson!!!!

 

Speed guy? Here's a list of major leaguers who had a lower SLG than Pie had last year:

 

Chad Tracy

Richie Sexson

Adam Dunn

Chase Utley

Jason Giambi

Todd Helton

Paul Konerko

Jim Edmonds

Lance Berkman

David Wright

Troy Glaus

Miguel Tejada

 

 

Who was the AL rookie of the year? Robinson Cano? Pie's SLG was 100 points better.

 

Pie is a speed guy, but he's developing power to go with it. Maybe that power doesn't look all that impressive to you, but note that he had a total of 240 at bats last year. That's approximately 1/3 of a season. Break it down for a whole year and you have over 50 doubles, 15 triples and over 30 HR's. He probably would not have kept up that pace over a full season, but who wouldn't want a speed guy with 40 doubles, 12 triples and 20 HR's?

 

But, he's only 20 and he was only in AA. As he continues filling out, what might he become?

 

How does his SLG compare with other AA players in the Southern League? Pie didn't qualify with 240 at bats, but Chris Young ended up being the best in the division in SLG with a .545. He had 26 HR's, 3 Triples and 41 doubles. Chris Young is 22.

 

Pie still has some work to do, but he is definitely a top prospect.

[CuseCubFan69]

Does Pie have a strong arm? If so he sounds a lot like Vlad.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

There's another enormous difference between Pie and CPatt that other people are overlooking...CPatt grew up playing organized baseball. Pie never had ANY coaching, any instruction, NADA, until the Cubs noticed him and brought him into the organization. He's only had three years playing something more organized than stickball in the streets...despite the overal "rawness" of Pie, he's managed to have quite a bit of success at each level he's played in despite being about the youngest guy in each league he has stopped at. He's incredibly advanced despite his rawness and youth. Those of you trying to grade him on the same principles as any other 23 year old at AA are making a mistake.

 

Actually, Corey didn't focus on baseball till his senior year in HS, the year before the Cubs drafted him, so it's not like he had such a big advantage on Felix. Before that, I believe he spent more time focusing on his WR skills playing football.

 

But the point stands, Felix is very raw. His strike zone awareness is equivalent, if not worse, than Corey's was at AA. And he's much worse on the base paths. But, he put up better overall numbers at AA than Corey. He does need to work on the plate discipline big time (and he's struggled with that with Licey) or else he could meet the same fate as Corey.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Hey Raisin,

Your avatar is really creeping me out. Any chance you can change it??? :D

[ManCrushOnNomar]

I would also give up Pie for Dunn imagine the best lefty power hitter in the game between Lee and A-Ram.

My friend Barry might say otherwise.