Bruce Levine Reports on Rafael Furcal

[wekse]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/mikeak21/furcalpierre.jpg

 

man they'd look like a good 1-2 punch in blue!

 

Yes... i did that

 

 

pierre's doesn't look that good imo

 

Pierre would never wear his hat straight.

 

And I don't want Pierre.

 

Gee guys... thanx for the "nice photoshopping" and "boy, they do look good" comments.... :roll:

 

sorry guy, but it's not good photoshopping.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/mikeak21/furcalpierre.jpg

 

man they'd look like a good 1-2 punch in blue!

 

Yes... i did that

 

 

pierre's doesn't look that good imo

 

Pierre would never wear his hat straight.

 

And I don't want Pierre.

 

Gee guys... thanx for the "nice photoshopping" and "boy, they do look good" comments.... :roll:

 

It was a joke about Pierre, not about your work.

[Schwarber Fan]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/mikeak21/furcalpierre.jpg

 

man they'd look like a good 1-2 punch in blue!

 

Yes... i did that

 

 

pierre's doesn't look that good imo

 

Pierre would never wear his hat straight.

 

And I don't want Pierre.

 

Gee guys... thanx for the "nice photoshopping" and "boy, they do look good" comments.... :roll:

 

sorry guy, but it's not good photoshopping.

 

Not trying to sound arrogant, but I'd think for the most part those photos were real if i didn't know they were photoshopped with the exception of Pierre's hat being straight but I'll assume your a master at it. P.S. I was actually using Microsoft Paint, just the term "photoshopping"

[hawkeyecub]

Geez man, you seem a little too sensitive about this. Does it really matter what we think about those hats? Do you need everyone to tell you they're great?

 

I thought it was pretty easy to tell that they were fake with the color flow, but it shouldn't really matter that much anyway.

[Schwarber Fan]

Geez man, you seem a little too sensitive about this. Does it really matter what we think about those hats? Do you need everyone to tell you they're great?

 

I thought it was pretty easy to tell that they were fake with the color flow, but it shouldn't really matter that much anyway.

 

ya ur right i am being a little sensitive. MY apoligies to all and lets just hope Hendry can get Furcal signed!

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

It's looking like it will be a five year deal if we sign Furcal.

 

Link.

 

The Braves had initially hoped to make a three-year offer to Furcal, but Kinzer told them that wouldn't get it done. He wants at least a five-year deal, and is confident he can get it after talking with other teams.

 

Rather than make an offer this week, the Braves told Kinzer to hear what other teams offer, then let the Braves see if they can make a competitive proposal.

 

 

This part of the article seems to imply the Cubs and Furcal will reach a deal sooner rather than later.

 

Teams could wait to sign Furcal until after seeing if Atlanta offers salary arbitration, which the Braves have until Dec. 7 to do.

 

If a team doesn't offer arbitration to one of its own players who became a free agent, the team isn't owed compensation by the next club that signs him.

 

"But I don't think that's going to stand in the way of the Cubs, at all," said Kinzer, who was told his client is the Cubs' No. 1 target.

 

In other words, he's been led to believe they aren't going to let a compensatory draft pick stop them from signing Furcal quickly, if they can.

 

[burnt out cubbie fan]

Not trying to sound arrogant, but I'd think for the most part those photos were real if i didn't know they were photoshopped with the exception of Pierre's hat being straight but I'll assume your a master at it. P.S. I was actually using Microsoft Paint, just the term "photoshopping"

I knew they weren't real the second I saw them.

 

 

On topic, the fact that Gammons and Bruce Levine said this is definately going to happens means he will sign with the Mets right?

[imb]

Perhaps the Perez negotiations were a way for the Cubs and Furcal's agent to discuss financials on Furcal without breaking the rules.

 

Hendry: "We think Neifi is worth 1 million."

Kinzer: "If Furcal is worth 4/50 surely Perez is worth more than that."

Hendry: "Who says Furcal is worth 4/41?"

Kinzer: "Well, I'd think it will take at least 4/39."

Hendry: "Yes, I think he's worth 4/39."

Kinzer: "Sounds good to us. Now, back to Perez."

 

Yeah right, we all know that it went like this

 

Hendry: Hey, we'd like to sign Niefi to....

Kinzer: WE'LL TAKE IT!

[hawkeyecub]

It's looking like it will be a five year deal if we sign Furcal.

 

Link.

 

The Braves had initially hoped to make a three-year offer to Furcal, but Kinzer told them that wouldn't get it done. He wants at least a five-year deal, and is confident he can get it after talking with other teams.

 

Rather than make an offer this week, the Braves told Kinzer to hear what other teams offer, then let the Braves see if they can make a competitive proposal.

 

 

This part of the article seems to imply the Cubs and Furcal will reach a deal sooner rather than later.

 

Teams could wait to sign Furcal until after seeing if Atlanta offers salary arbitration, which the Braves have until Dec. 7 to do.

 

If a team doesn't offer arbitration to one of its own players who became a free agent, the team isn't owed compensation by the next club that signs him.

 

"But I don't think that's going to stand in the way of the Cubs, at all," said Kinzer, who was told his client is the Cubs' No. 1 target.

 

In other words, he's been led to believe they aren't going to let a compensatory draft pick stop them from signing Furcal quickly, if they can.

 

 

What's interesting to me is that the only team he mentions is the Cubs.

I really think Hendry and Kizner discussed Furcal while negotiating Neifi's deal and have a pretty good understandng.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Furcal doesn't need to play 2B, and I doubt that he wants to. The Mets are just posturing. The latest Mets rumor that they'd be interested in Julio Lugo from Tampa, and moving HIM to 2B, that makes a lot more sense.

 

Frankly, I don't think there are any serious bidders for Furcal other than us. The Yankees, that's pure 100% posturing, and I think Atlanta is ready to move on with Wilson Betemit, who tore up the Winter League and is ready to play. He's Atlanta's version of our own Ronny Cedeno. Let the young guy play and put the money elsewhere, which for Atlanta, means 1B and the bullpen.

 

Here's a thought--if the Mets do get Lugo let's say, or someone else, would there be any interest in taking Kaz Matsui off their hands, if the Mets pick up most of the money? I'm thinking Kaz would be a more interesting bench option than Jerry Hairston, and who knows--maybe Kaz would help bring Godzilla here from New York, too?? That'd be cool...

[CubfaninCA]

It's looking like it will be a five year deal if we sign Furcal.

 

Link.

 

The Braves had initially hoped to make a three-year offer to Furcal, but Kinzer told them that wouldn't get it done. He wants at least a five-year deal, and is confident he can get it after talking with other teams.

 

Rather than make an offer this week, the Braves told Kinzer to hear what other teams offer, then let the Braves see if they can make a competitive proposal.

 

 

This part of the article seems to imply the Cubs and Furcal will reach a deal sooner rather than later.

 

Teams could wait to sign Furcal until after seeing if Atlanta offers salary arbitration, which the Braves have until Dec. 7 to do.

 

If a team doesn't offer arbitration to one of its own players who became a free agent, the team isn't owed compensation by the next club that signs him.

 

"But I don't think that's going to stand in the way of the Cubs, at all," said Kinzer, who was told his client is the Cubs' No. 1 target.

 

In other words, he's been led to believe they aren't going to let a compensatory draft pick stop them from signing Furcal quickly, if they can.

 

 

If the Cubs agree to a 5 year deal, the apocalypse is coming soon.

 

5 years works for me tho. Furcal's just entering his "prime."

[Crash]

It's looking like it will be a five year deal if we sign Furcal.

 

Link.

 

The Braves had initially hoped to make a three-year offer to Furcal, but Kinzer told them that wouldn't get it done. He wants at least a five-year deal, and is confident he can get it after talking with other teams.

 

Rather than make an offer this week, the Braves told Kinzer to hear what other teams offer, then let the Braves see if they can make a competitive proposal.

 

 

This part of the article seems to imply the Cubs and Furcal will reach a deal sooner rather than later.

 

Teams could wait to sign Furcal until after seeing if Atlanta offers salary arbitration, which the Braves have until Dec. 7 to do.

 

If a team doesn't offer arbitration to one of its own players who became a free agent, the team isn't owed compensation by the next club that signs him.

 

"But I don't think that's going to stand in the way of the Cubs, at all," said Kinzer, who was told his client is the Cubs' No. 1 target.

 

In other words, he's been led to believe they aren't going to let a compensatory draft pick stop them from signing Furcal quickly, if they can.

 

 

If the Cubs agree to a 5 year deal, the apocalypse is coming soon.

 

5 years works for me tho. Furcal's just entering his "prime."

 

I think at the most the Cubs would offer is 4 years with a 5th at team option. Of course it all depends on how desperate the Cubs see themselves to be.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Not trying to sound arrogant, but I'd think for the most part those photos were real if i didn't know they were photoshopped with the exception of Pierre's hat being straight but I'll assume your a master at it. P.S. I was actually using Microsoft Paint, just the term "photoshopping"

I knew they weren't real the second I saw them.

 

 

On topic, the fact that Gammons and Bruce Levine said this is definately going to happens means he will sign with the Mets right?

 

I think that tells me, that most teams are resign to the fact that Furcal has pretty much made up his mind (to sign with the Cubs). I think Furcal is going to is give other teams a last chance to blow his mind with an offer and/or give the Braves a "last chance" (loyalty reasons) to re-sign him. Betemit has hit something .368/.438/.702 in 57 at-bats and leads the DWL with five homers, I think the Braves are ready to move on.

 

But ultimately, I believe Furcal will be a Cubs very shortly(pun intended, of course), and I believe the Cubs will hold off on the "possible" announcement, until the come to terms on getting Pierre. I get the feeling that Hendry want's to do a combo press conference, introducing Furcal and Pierre.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Ugh, I hope it isn't 5 years.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Ugh, I hope it isn't 5 years.

 

Update on Furcal:

 

The Braves have joined the Mets in showing strong interest in Tampa Bay's Julio Lugo, the Tampa Tribune reports.

As much as we'd like to see Wilson Betemit get a shot, the Braves are going to need a leadoff hitter if they fail to re-sign Rafael Furcal. Marcus Giles could do the job, but he's better off hitting second and there would be no good choice to replace him these. Lugo would fit the Braves well, and the team has the young pitching to get him. We imagine that the Rays would love to have Kyle Davies, though he's worth more than one year of Lugo. Nov. 11 - 3:18 am et

Source: Tampa Tribune

 

With the Braves joining the Mets in "alledgedly" pulling out of the bidding war for Furcal, it is still possible that the Cubs COULD get Furcal with a four yr deal (with a mutual option for a 5th). I believe the Braves interests in Lugo is legit, cause they have NOBODY to hit leadoff, if Furcal leaves.

[Careless]

This is me being a nitpicking loser nerd:

 

"InNeiffable" is a substitution for "ineffable," not "inevitable." "Ineffable" means (because it is a very uncommonly used word) "ununderstandable;" not in the sense that someone speaking gibberish is incomprehensible, but in the sense that the will of God (according to the Bible and those that believe in it) cannot be understood by humans.

 

Now go back and read the BP person's thing. It's much funnier this way.

And playing Neifi is inneifiable, to accost a word in spelling and usage.

Hendry would be unneifiable..

[AramisRamirez]

i for one would be thrilled to nab furcal early. a 5-year deal with me is fine, considering he will be only 33 whens it finished. i think furcals top of the order speed, ability to play D, and base-stealing production is just what we need.

 

if we nab Zito for twp gppd prospects. i thnk we already make our team signficantly better. i doubt pierre for patterson materials, so id be cotent starting corey in CF and bat him last until Pie is ready to come in.

 

a 2B/SS trio of walker, furcal, and cedeno would be sick.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

Am I the only one that would rather trade for Lugo? (besides the Braves (whose front office I trust more than that of the Cubs))

[wade]

An update from Gammons on Mike and Mike in the morning. Peter says if the Braves don't come up with something now, Furcal will probably sign with the Cubs, and soon. Gammons said Furcal was arguably the best all around player on the market and the Cubs will offer "Renteria type money".

 

I don't remember exactly what "Renteria money" is- 5 for 55M or something like that?

[Bgbird68]

Am I the only one that would rather trade for Lugo? (besides the Braves (whose front office I trust more than that of the Cubs))

 

I was just thinking the same thing.

[wade]

a 2B/SS trio of walker, furcal, and cedeno would be sick.

 

It's unfortunately the more likely prospect of a 2B/SS combo of Perez and Furcal with Walker traded away and Cedeno riding the bench that's making lots of people sick.

 

Neifi's signing pretty much guarantees that Walker will be dealt.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

An update from Gammons on Mike and Mike in the morning. Peter says if the Braves don't come up with something now, Furcal will probably sign with the Cubs, and soon. Gammons said Furcal was arguably the best all around player on the market and the Cubs will offer "Renteria type money".

 

I don't remember exactly what "Renteria money" is- 5 for 55M or something like that?

 

edgar renteria got $40M / 4 years.

[USSoccer]

An update from Gammons on Mike and Mike in the morning. Peter says if the Braves don't come up with something now, Furcal will probably sign with the Cubs, and soon. Gammons said Furcal was arguably the best all around player on the market and the Cubs will offer "Renteria type money".

 

I don't remember exactly what "Renteria money" is- 5 for 55M or something like that?

 

edgar renteria got $40M / 4 years.

 

Well, as long as he doesn't put up Renteria numbers, I'm "ok" with that number.

 

Although if we're giving $10m per to Furcal, I'd also like to see us offer it to Giles.

[wade]

An update from Gammons on Mike and Mike in the morning. Peter says if the Braves don't come up with something now, Furcal will probably sign with the Cubs, and soon. Gammons said Furcal was arguably the best all around player on the market and the Cubs will offer "Renteria type money".

 

I don't remember exactly what "Renteria money" is- 5 for 55M or something like that?

 

edgar renteria got $40M / 4 years.

 

O.K., then that's what Petey's guessing. I think it was Bruce Miles that guessed 36M/ 4 years. All in all, that wouldn't so bad, but maybe that's because I was afraid we were talking 5 years/ 55M!

[TrueBlueCubFan]

An update from Gammons on Mike and Mike in the morning. Peter says if the Braves don't come up with something now, Furcal will probably sign with the Cubs, and soon. Gammons said Furcal was arguably the best all around player on the market and the Cubs will offer "Renteria type money".

 

I don't remember exactly what "Renteria money" is- 5 for 55M or something like that?

 

edgar renteria got $40M / 4 years.

 

Well, as long as he doesn't put up Renteria numbers, I'm "ok" with that number.

 

Although if we're giving $10m per to Furcal, I'd also like to see us offer it to Giles.

 

I think it will be either/or not both.