Cubs, Neifi Perez agree on 2-year contract

[USSoccer]

Neifi's not that good. He's one of the worst everyday players of all time. As a 24th or 25th man, he's valuable because he can play 3 IF positions and not be a total hack with the glove, but I think the Cubs could do better than Neifi even if that's all they were looking for.

 

If the Cubs bring him back at about $1.5m and he takes Macias's place on the roster, and gets maybe 25 starts, and is the 3rd bench PH option, I'd accept the signing. If he's brought back to "win" a starting job at 2B for 3 times that amount I'll freak.

[CubsWin]

I agree that Dusty's choices of who to start baffle me sometimes, but no one can say that when Hendry signed Neifi the previous two times that he did it with the intention that he would be starting. No one.

 

Go back and read through the comments. They were some that attack Hendry for "signing Neifi not once, but twice", as if he intended him to start or as if he had no business being on any baseball team anywhere.

 

I'm not making this up. I'm just reading it.

[USSoccer]

I agree that Dusty's choices of who to start baffle me sometimes, but no one can say that when Hendry signed Neifi the previous two times that he did it with the intention that he would be starting. No one.

 

Go back and read through the comments. They were some that attack Hendry for "signing Neifi not once, but twice", as if he intended him to start or as if he had no business being on any baseball team anywhere.

 

I'm not making this up. I'm just reading it.

 

One could argue that signing Neifi with Dusty around is like giving a pyromaniac a lighter and can of gasoline. That's proably where it stems from.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I agree that Dusty's choices of who to start baffle me sometimes, but no one can say that when Hendry signed Neifi the previous two times that he did it with the intention that he would be starting. No one.

 

Go back and read through the comments. They were some that attack Hendry for "signing Neifi not once, but twice", as if he intended him to start or as if he had no business being on any baseball team anywhere.

 

I'm not making this up. I'm just reading it.

 

Neifi has no business on our baseball team ever. You can find someone better, cheaper, younger, or all of the above really easily. He never should've been signed in '04, he never should've been retained, and we shouldn't be talking about bringing him back.

[CubsWin]

Neifi's not that good. He's one of the worst everyday players of all time. As a 24th or 25th man, he's valuable because he can play 3 IF positions and not be a total hack with the glove, but I think the Cubs could do better than Neifi even if that's all they were looking for.

 

If the Cubs bring him back at about $1.5m and he takes Macias's place on the roster, and gets maybe 25 starts, and is the 3rd bench PH option, I'd accept the signing. If he's brought back to "win" a starting job at 2B for 3 times that amount I'll freak.

And so would I. But the point is, that this thread is filled with fans freakin' out before anything like that as happened.

 

There was no mention of money in the article. There was no mention of giving him a starting job. And Rosenthal's article doesn't exist in a vacuum. There are lots of other articles that are talking about Cedeno being penciled in the starting line-up somewhere, especially if Walker is traded. So why ignore all the other evidence just to attack Hendry in this thread?

 

You are all welcome to write whatever you want. I'm not saying don't do it. I'm just asking why? What is the reasoning because I don't understand how 6 pages of complaints and attacks could be justified over something that hasn't happened, and, if you read other articles, probably won't happen. It seems like people are eager to trash the team they love without really having a reason. But that doesn't make any sense either. So they must have a good reason, and I'm just trying to understand what that is.

[CUBZ99]

I agree that Dusty's choices of who to start baffle me sometimes, but no one can say that when Hendry signed Neifi the previous two times that he did it with the intention that he would be starting. No one.

 

Go back and read through the comments. They were some that attack Hendry for "signing Neifi not once, but twice", as if he intended him to start or as if he had no business being on any baseball team anywhere.

 

I'm not making this up. I'm just reading it.

 

Neifi has no business on our baseball team ever. You can find someone better, cheaper, younger, or all of the above really easily. He never should've been signed in '04, he never should've been retained, and we shouldn't be talking about bringing him back.

 

Exactly, Neifi is a good fit on a small market team looking to go cheap and nothing more.

[CubsWin]

I agree that Dusty's choices of who to start baffle me sometimes, but no one can say that when Hendry signed Neifi the previous two times that he did it with the intention that he would be starting. No one.

 

Go back and read through the comments. They were some that attack Hendry for "signing Neifi not once, but twice", as if he intended him to start or as if he had no business being on any baseball team anywhere.

 

I'm not making this up. I'm just reading it.

 

Neifi has no business on our baseball team ever. You can find someone better, cheaper, younger, or all of the above really easily. He never should've been signed in '04, he never should've been retained, and we shouldn't be talking about bringing him back.

I understand that is how you feel. I'm asking why. I don't understand how he could be considered to be so utterly worthless. Can you help me understand?

[CubsWin]

So what is the argument for Neifi Perez being a terrible bench player and having no business on anyone's 25-man roster?

 

A lot of fans are saying that but no one is making a clear argument as to why they feel that way. Just trying to understand.

 

Who said that? I believe most are saying that dusty can't be trusted to start Cedeno over Neifi, so Neifi wouldn't be just a bench player.

 

Neifi off the bench is a solid addition to our team (defensively and offensively with limited ABs). neifi starting is an offensive nightmare, especially when dusty throws him in front of lee and ramirez in the lineup.

Look a couple of posts above this one for your answer.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I agree that Dusty's choices of who to start baffle me sometimes, but no one can say that when Hendry signed Neifi the previous two times that he did it with the intention that he would be starting. No one.

 

Go back and read through the comments. They were some that attack Hendry for "signing Neifi not once, but twice", as if he intended him to start or as if he had no business being on any baseball team anywhere.

 

I'm not making this up. I'm just reading it.

 

Neifi has no business on our baseball team ever. You can find someone better, cheaper, younger, or all of the above really easily. He never should've been signed in '04, he never should've been retained, and we shouldn't be talking about bringing him back.

I understand that is how you feel. I'm asking why. I don't understand how he could be considered to be so utterly worthless. Can you help me understand?

 

Neifi is utterly worthless offensively. This season, as bad as he was, is one of (if not the) best of his career. Neifi should never be an option to start for a period of time, he's too terrible on offense. This is a catch-22, because Neifi's only value is playing good defense, which is mitigated when he's in a bench role. Cubbieinexile articulated this point very well earlier. Neifi isn't young, he has little to no upside. His production can be replaced very very easily. The only way he should be on a team of the Cubs' caliber is if they are absolutely ravaged by injuries(Think Nomar and Cedeno going down for the season) and he should be brought in as a backup to some other alternative(trade, younger signing, minor leaguer already in the system, etc.).

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

I agree that Dusty's choices of who to start baffle me sometimes, but no one can say that when Hendry signed Neifi the previous two times that he did it with the intention that he would be starting. No one.

 

Go back and read through the comments. They were some that attack Hendry for "signing Neifi not once, but twice", as if he intended him to start or as if he had no business being on any baseball team anywhere.

 

I'm not making this up. I'm just reading it.

 

Neifi has no business on our baseball team ever. You can find someone better, cheaper, younger, or all of the above really easily. He never should've been signed in '04, he never should've been retained, and we shouldn't be talking about bringing him back.

I understand that is how you feel. I'm asking why. I don't understand how he could be considered to be so utterly worthless. Can you help me understand?

 

Neifi is utterly worthless offensively. This season, as bad as he was, is one of (if not the) best of his career. Neifi should never be an option to start for a period of time, he's too terrible on offense. This is a catch-22, because Neifi's only value is playing good defense, which is mitigated when he's in a bench role. Cubbieinexile articulated this point very well earlier. Neifi isn't young, he has little to no upside. His production can be replaced very very easily. The only way he should be on a team of the Cubs' caliber is if they are absolutely ravaged by injuries(Think Nomar and Cedeno going down for the season) and he should be brought in as a backup to some other alternative(trade, younger signing, minor leaguer already in the system, etc.).

 

i'm going to have to disagree. Neifi has a continually declining batting average and OBP as the season progresses (or after substituting him partway through the season). he's good offensively when using him as a short term starter. just look at the game logs for each of his MLB seasons. his D is solid.

 

neifi is a good player when used properly, which Dusty obviously can't do, but that doesn't mean he is "worthless." overpaid for how dusty uses him? of course. blame that on both JH and Dusty the Fool.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I agree that Dusty's choices of who to start baffle me sometimes, but no one can say that when Hendry signed Neifi the previous two times that he did it with the intention that he would be starting. No one.

 

Go back and read through the comments. They were some that attack Hendry for "signing Neifi not once, but twice", as if he intended him to start or as if he had no business being on any baseball team anywhere.

 

I'm not making this up. I'm just reading it.

 

Neifi has no business on our baseball team ever. You can find someone better, cheaper, younger, or all of the above really easily. He never should've been signed in '04, he never should've been retained, and we shouldn't be talking about bringing him back.

I understand that is how you feel. I'm asking why. I don't understand how he could be considered to be so utterly worthless. Can you help me understand?

 

Neifi is utterly worthless offensively. This season, as bad as he was, is one of (if not the) best of his career. Neifi should never be an option to start for a period of time, he's too terrible on offense. This is a catch-22, because Neifi's only value is playing good defense, which is mitigated when he's in a bench role. Cubbieinexile articulated this point very well earlier. Neifi isn't young, he has little to no upside. His production can be replaced very very easily. The only way he should be on a team of the Cubs' caliber is if they are absolutely ravaged by injuries(Think Nomar and Cedeno going down for the season) and he should be brought in as a backup to some other alternative(trade, younger signing, minor leaguer already in the system, etc.).

 

i'm going to have to disagree. Neifi has a continually declining batting average and OBP as the season progresses (or after substituting him partway through the season). he's good offensively when using him as a short term starter. just look at the game logs for each of his MLB seasons. his D is solid.

 

neifi is a good player when used properly, which Dusty obviously can't do, but that doesn't mean he is "worthless." overpaid for how dusty uses him? of course. blame that on both JH and Dusty the Fool.

 

Neifi's career OPS by month

 

April: .679 (631 AB's)

May: .730 (800 AB's)

June: .669 (816 AB's)

July: .663 (839 AB's)

August: .672 (885 AB's)

September: .677 (759 AB's)

 

There doesn't seem to be much wearing down. He's terrible offensively, there's no getting around it. He's one of the worst hitters of the era because he's managed to get so many at bats.

[YearofDaCubs]

The last thing we want to do is bring back the guys that have a terrible OBP. Say NO to Neifi!!

[CubsWin]

I agree that Dusty's choices of who to start baffle me sometimes, but no one can say that when Hendry signed Neifi the previous two times that he did it with the intention that he would be starting. No one.

 

Go back and read through the comments. They were some that attack Hendry for "signing Neifi not once, but twice", as if he intended him to start or as if he had no business being on any baseball team anywhere.

 

I'm not making this up. I'm just reading it.

 

Neifi has no business on our baseball team ever. You can find someone better, cheaper, younger, or all of the above really easily. He never should've been signed in '04, he never should've been retained, and we shouldn't be talking about bringing him back.

I understand that is how you feel. I'm asking why. I don't understand how he could be considered to be so utterly worthless. Can you help me understand?

 

Neifi is utterly worthless offensively. This season, as bad as he was, is one of (if not the) best of his career. Neifi should never be an option to start for a period of time, he's too terrible on offense. This is a catch-22, because Neifi's only value is playing good defense, which is mitigated when he's in a bench role. Cubbieinexile articulated this point very well earlier. Neifi isn't young, he has little to no upside. His production can be replaced very very easily. The only way he should be on a team of the Cubs' caliber is if they are absolutely ravaged by injuries(Think Nomar and Cedeno going down for the season) and he should be brought in as a backup to some other alternative(trade, younger signing, minor leaguer already in the system, etc.).

Just to make sure I'm understanding you. You are saying that offensively, he worse than almost every other back-up SS in the major leagues, thus being utterly worthless. And that his above average defense doesn't count because he would be coming off the bench. He is also older and has no upside. Did I miss anything?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I agree that Dusty's choices of who to start baffle me sometimes, but no one can say that when Hendry signed Neifi the previous two times that he did it with the intention that he would be starting. No one.

 

Go back and read through the comments. They were some that attack Hendry for "signing Neifi not once, but twice", as if he intended him to start or as if he had no business being on any baseball team anywhere.

 

I'm not making this up. I'm just reading it.

 

Neifi has no business on our baseball team ever. You can find someone better, cheaper, younger, or all of the above really easily. He never should've been signed in '04, he never should've been retained, and we shouldn't be talking about bringing him back.

I understand that is how you feel. I'm asking why. I don't understand how he could be considered to be so utterly worthless. Can you help me understand?

 

Neifi is utterly worthless offensively. This season, as bad as he was, is one of (if not the) best of his career. Neifi should never be an option to start for a period of time, he's too terrible on offense. This is a catch-22, because Neifi's only value is playing good defense, which is mitigated when he's in a bench role. Cubbieinexile articulated this point very well earlier. Neifi isn't young, he has little to no upside. His production can be replaced very very easily. The only way he should be on a team of the Cubs' caliber is if they are absolutely ravaged by injuries(Think Nomar and Cedeno going down for the season) and he should be brought in as a backup to some other alternative(trade, younger signing, minor leaguer already in the system, etc.).

Just to make sure I'm understanding you. You are saying that offensively, he worse than almost every other back-up SS in the major leagues, thus being utterly worthless. And that his above average defense doesn't count because he would be coming off the bench. He is also older and has no upside. Did I miss anything?

 

You may be able to find a SS worse than Neifi offensively, but that doesn't change the fact that he's terrible. The lack of upside is a huge thing. Someone may give you worse offensive production than Neifi over a short period, but it's worth the risk with a younger player to A) Find out what caliber player they are B) They have the upside to be good/much better than Neifi offensively and C) They can do it for the minimum/cheaper than Neifi.

[CUBZ99]

I agree that Dusty's choices of who to start baffle me sometimes, but no one can say that when Hendry signed Neifi the previous two times that he did it with the intention that he would be starting. No one.

 

Go back and read through the comments. They were some that attack Hendry for "signing Neifi not once, but twice", as if he intended him to start or as if he had no business being on any baseball team anywhere.

 

I'm not making this up. I'm just reading it.

 

Neifi has no business on our baseball team ever. You can find someone better, cheaper, younger, or all of the above really easily. He never should've been signed in '04, he never should've been retained, and we shouldn't be talking about bringing him back.

I understand that is how you feel. I'm asking why. I don't understand how he could be considered to be so utterly worthless. Can you help me understand?

 

Neifi is utterly worthless offensively. This season, as bad as he was, is one of (if not the) best of his career. Neifi should never be an option to start for a period of time, he's too terrible on offense. This is a catch-22, because Neifi's only value is playing good defense, which is mitigated when he's in a bench role. Cubbieinexile articulated this point very well earlier. Neifi isn't young, he has little to no upside. His production can be replaced very very easily. The only way he should be on a team of the Cubs' caliber is if they are absolutely ravaged by injuries(Think Nomar and Cedeno going down for the season) and he should be brought in as a backup to some other alternative(trade, younger signing, minor leaguer already in the system, etc.).

Just to make sure I'm understanding you. You are saying that offensively, he worse than almost every other back-up SS in the major leagues, thus being utterly worthless. And that his above average defense doesn't count because he would be coming off the bench. He is also older and has no upside. Did I miss anything?

/

Yes, Dusty Baker seems to think he is one of the Best SS's ever. ](*,)

[badger1679666666]

Neifi's not that good. He's one of the worst everyday players of all time. As a 24th or 25th man, he's valuable because he can play 3 IF positions and not be a total hack with the glove, but I think the Cubs could do better than Neifi even if that's all they were looking for.

 

If the Cubs bring him back at about $1.5m and he takes Macias's place on the roster, and gets maybe 25 starts, and is the 3rd bench PH option, I'd accept the signing. If he's brought back to "win" a starting job at 2B for 3 times that amount I'll freak.

And so would I. But the point is, that this thread is filled with fans freakin' out before anything like that as happened.

 

There was no mention of money in the article. There was no mention of giving him a starting job. And Rosenthal's article doesn't exist in a vacuum. There are lots of other articles that are talking about Cedeno being penciled in the starting line-up somewhere, especially if Walker is traded. So why ignore all the other evidence just to attack Hendry in this thread?

 

You are all welcome to write whatever you want. I'm not saying don't do it. I'm just asking why? What is the reasoning because I don't understand how 6 pages of complaints and attacks could be justified over something that hasn't happened, and, if you read other articles, probably won't happen. It seems like people are eager to trash the team they love without really having a reason. But that doesn't make any sense either. So they must have a good reason, and I'm just trying to understand what that is.

 

If you can't understand the paranoia of the fanbase in creating a 6 page thread on what might happen but isn't close to being confirmed, just look at the Cubs of 05 and where and how dustbin used Neifi.

 

The attacks and complaints are coming from the mere subconcious thoughts of havning neifi and Dustbin on the same roster. Sure people could wait, but the mere mention of the name neifi apart from anything even baseball or "perez" related makes me push a panic button after last year.

 

How is it so difficult for you to understand?

[CubsWin]

Neifi's not that good. He's one of the worst everyday players of all time. As a 24th or 25th man, he's valuable because he can play 3 IF positions and not be a total hack with the glove, but I think the Cubs could do better than Neifi even if that's all they were looking for.

 

If the Cubs bring him back at about $1.5m and he takes Macias's place on the roster, and gets maybe 25 starts, and is the 3rd bench PH option, I'd accept the signing. If he's brought back to "win" a starting job at 2B for 3 times that amount I'll freak.

And so would I. But the point is, that this thread is filled with fans freakin' out before anything like that as happened.

 

There was no mention of money in the article. There was no mention of giving him a starting job. And Rosenthal's article doesn't exist in a vacuum. There are lots of other articles that are talking about Cedeno being penciled in the starting line-up somewhere, especially if Walker is traded. So why ignore all the other evidence just to attack Hendry in this thread?

 

You are all welcome to write whatever you want. I'm not saying don't do it. I'm just asking why? What is the reasoning because I don't understand how 6 pages of complaints and attacks could be justified over something that hasn't happened, and, if you read other articles, probably won't happen. It seems like people are eager to trash the team they love without really having a reason. But that doesn't make any sense either. So they must have a good reason, and I'm just trying to understand what that is.

 

If you can't understand the paranoia of the fanbase in creating a 6 page thread on what might happen but isn't close to being confirmed, just look at the Cubs of 05 and where and how Dusty used Neifi.

 

The attacks and complaints are coming from the mere subconcious thoughts of havning neifi and Dusty on the same roster. Sure people could wait, but the mere mention of the name neifi apart from anything even baseball or "perez" related makes me push a panic button after last year.

 

How is it so difficult for you to understand?

Well, I'm beginning to understand. You used the words paranoia and subconscious. That is shedding some light for me. I guess people are still angry that things didn't work out the way they wanted them to are taking this opportunity to vent some more. That's fine with me.

 

I'm just different. I tend to put the past in the past. I express my anger and then move on. I also choose to try to understand things from many angles before expressing an opinion. Since I'm different, I was just endeavoring to understand the reasons for such a reaction to something that hasn't happened and may never happen. Cool?

[RynoRules]

I agree that Dusty's choices of who to start baffle me sometimes, but no one can say that when Hendry signed Neifi the previous two times that he did it with the intention that he would be starting. No one.

 

Go back and read through the comments. They were some that attack Hendry for "signing Neifi not once, but twice", as if he intended him to start or as if he had no business being on any baseball team anywhere.

 

I'm not making this up. I'm just reading it.

 

Neifi has no business on our baseball team ever. You can find someone better, cheaper, younger, or all of the above really easily. He never should've been signed in '04, he never should've been retained, and we shouldn't be talking about bringing him back.

 

Ok, lets hear about those guys (whoever they are) and why they would be better. I'd like to see some stats on those guys too.

 

Look, I don't think that anyone is arguing that Neifi is a good player, or even the best choice as a 24th man. I agree with CubsWin that, the past is the past, I've already vented my frustration with the 04' and 05' seasons, and I am ready to move on.

 

Moreover, no one knows what JH is going to do w/ Neifi or anyone else, yet some people appear to be ready to jump ship b/c of a rumor re Neifi. I think its premature. If it happens and you hate it, bash away. I'll wait.

[XZero771679666304]

I agree that Dusty's choices of who to start baffle me sometimes, but no one can say that when Hendry signed Neifi the previous two times that he did it with the intention that he would be starting. No one.

 

Go back and read through the comments. They were some that attack Hendry for "signing Neifi not once, but twice", as if he intended him to start or as if he had no business being on any baseball team anywhere.

 

I'm not making this up. I'm just reading it.

 

Neifi has no business on our baseball team ever. You can find someone better, cheaper, younger, or all of the above really easily. He never should've been signed in '04, he never should've been retained, and we shouldn't be talking about bringing him back.

 

Ok, lets hear about those guys (whoever they are) and why they would be better. I'd like to see some stats on those guys too.

 

Look, I don't think that anyone is arguing that Neifi is a good player, or even the best choice as a 24th man. I agree with CubsWin that, the past is the past, I've already vented my frustration with the 04' and 05' seasons, and I am ready to move on.

 

Moreover, no one knows what JH is going to do w/ Neifi or anyone else, yet some people appear to be ready to jump ship b/c of a rumor re Neifi. I think its premature. If it happens and you hate it, bash away. I'll wait.

 

Guys available therough FA that would be better than Neifi:

 

 

Ramon Martinez

Jose Vizcaino

Deivi Cruz

Tony Graffanino (though he may not take a bench role)

 

 

 

Not many, and all would be dangers to start with Dusty around, but all are better than Neifi.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

You may be able to find a SS worse than Neifi offensively, but that doesn't change the fact that he's terrible. The lack of upside is a huge thing. Someone may give you worse offensive production than Neifi over a short period, but it's worth the risk with a younger player to A) Find out what caliber player they are B) They have the upside to be good/much better than Neifi offensively and C) They can do it for the minimum/cheaper than Neifi.

 

 

I think this is easier said then done. Besides why would you want to bury someone good and cheap on your bench? I think it would be a crime if the Cubs buried a player like Cedeno in a bench role. Neifi is an OK player if used in the right role.

[gflore34]

You may be able to find a SS worse than Neifi offensively, but that doesn't change the fact that he's terrible. The lack of upside is a huge thing. Someone may give you worse offensive production than Neifi over a short period, but it's worth the risk with a younger player to A) Find out what caliber player they are B) They have the upside to be good/much better than Neifi offensively and C) They can do it for the minimum/cheaper than Neifi.

 

 

I think this is easier said then done. Besides why would you want to bury someone good and cheap on your bench? I think it would be a crime if the Cubs buried a player like Cedeno in a bench role. Neifi is an OK player if used in the right role.

 

That's the point, Dusty cannot be trusted to use Neifi in the right role. If Furcal or Garciaparra are not signed leaving Cedeno and Neifi at SS, Dusty will find a way to start Neifi. The only way Neifi doesn't play a signifcant role with 2006 Cubs is if he's removed as an option.

[XZero771679666304]

LINK

 

 

 

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[badger1679666666]

Sorry XZero77, I made this thread so that people realized it was a done deal before I saw yours and now I'll leave it so it isn't lost in the other thread. Mods, merge it with the old one if need be, I don't care, I want to shoot someone.

 

From all accounts, Nomar Garciaparra would love to return to the Cubs for a third season. But the veteran shortstop whom the Cubs made it a priority to keep is Neifi Perez, who has agreed to terms on a two-year deal that is expected to be announced on Tuesday.

 

His versatility was attractive to the Cubs, who see him as a contingency plan at both middle-infield positions. Ronny Cedeno, who hit .300 in 41 games last season, is expected to get a shot at regular playing time at either shortstop or second base, depending on whether the Cubs sign Furcal or another veteran middle infielder.

 

"I've decided I really like the guys who catch the ball," Hendry said.

 

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-051107cubs,1,1170609.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

 

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Edited November 8, 2005 by badger

[NorthsideAvenger]

:( :( :arrow: #-o #-o

 

Thx badger, for ruining my day.

[Outshined_One]

Only one image can adequately sum up everyone's feelings.

 

http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/3020/spideyscreamnoooooo2ba6bk9bv.gif