Major cardinal overhaul for 2006 season?

[UK1679666180]

Marquis is a sinker ball type pitcher, he might be one of few who would not drop off much from playing in that park.

 

Mentally, I don't think he's strong enough to take the next step as far as becoming an above avg. pitcher. Then, factor the potential of adjusting for that park, as well as playing on a team that hasn't been a contender since the late 90's and you're asking for trouble if you expect his mind to be in the right place.

[CubinNY]

Marquis is a sinker ball type pitcher, he might be one of few who would not drop off much from playing in that park.

 

Mentally, I don't think he's strong enough to take the next step as far as becoming an above avg. pitcher. Then, factor the potential of adjusting for that park, as well as playing on a team that hasn't been a contender since the late 90's and you're asking for trouble if you expect his mind to be in the right place.

 

Marquis must be a real piece of work. He couldn't even get along with Mazzone.

[indifferent]

I think Marquis will be traded in the offseason.

More than Marquis' bad season is the fact that Walt doesn't do FA's. He doesn't like to commit to big fa contracts. Marquis will be dealt for an Of'er.

 

If the Cards don't want Marquis for the price that he'll command this year, what makes you think that another team will, and that they'll be willing to give up something of value for him?

Because other teams need starting pitching. You don't think a team like the Devil Rays, Reds, etc wouldn't want Marquis for around 6 mil?

 

Why do you think he'd get 6 mil in arbitration? He made 3 mil this year, wouldn't it be more like 4 or 4.5 mil? If the Reds would pay 3.55 mil for Ramon Ortiz, I'd think there'd be several teams interested in Marquis at 4 or 4.5.

[ManCrushOnNomar]

I can see them trading Edmonds to NYY for something like Cano, Wang, and cash, then go and sign Johnny Damon to play center. Instantly the fans forget about their hero Jimmy "I Wear Eyeliner" Edmonds with Cap'n Caveman out there.

 

Cano becomes a cheap 2nd baseman to facilitate the big signings of Damon and a big name SP like Millwood or Burnett.

 

Thoughts?

[vaball]

I can see them trading Edmonds to NYY for something like Cano, Wang, and cash, then go and sign Johnny Damon to play center. Instantly the fans forget about their hero Jimmy "I Wear Eyeliner" Edmonds with Cap'n Caveman out there.

 

Cano becomes a cheap 2nd baseman to facilitate the big signings of Damon and a big name SP like Millwood or Burnett.

 

Thoughts?

 

I don't see the Yankees making that trade, or the Cardinals wanting to sign Damon.

[PujolsPower]

I can see them trading Edmonds to NYY for something like Cano, Wang, and cash, then go and sign Johnny Damon to play center. Instantly the fans forget about their hero Jimmy "I Wear Eyeliner" Edmonds with Cap'n Caveman out there.

 

Cano becomes a cheap 2nd baseman to facilitate the big signings of Damon and a big name SP like Millwood or Burnett.

 

Thoughts?

 

I don't think the Cards forget about Edmonds if you replace him with the defense of Johnny Damon.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Here's a new article on the Cards offseason here. Nothing real shocking, it does mention Giles:

 

Asked about the need to acquire an "impact" outfielder, Jocketty said Saturday, "If one of those two guys (Walker and Sanders) don't come back, we will have to do that."

 

San Diego Padres right fielder Brian Giles, a lefthanded-hitting pending free agent, attracted Jocketty's attention before the deadline and represents a likely target this winter.

[vaball]

Here's a new article on the Cards offseason here. Nothing real shocking, it does mention Giles:

 

Asked about the need to acquire an "impact" outfielder, Jocketty said Saturday, "If one of those two guys (Walker and Sanders) don't come back, we will have to do that."

 

San Diego Padres right fielder Brian Giles, a lefthanded-hitting pending free agent, attracted Jocketty's attention before the deadline and represents a likely target this winter.

 

That same article mentioned Jocketty wanting to improve the bullpen, and to leave the rotation largely intact. If "largely intact" means waving goodbye to Morris and signing AJ Burnett, I'm happy. But if it means just bringing Reyes up I will not be pleased.

 

I really think we have to go hard after Burnett. I know he is a risky investement but pitchers like him do not grow on trees. We certainly don't have anything like him in our system. Our rotation is perfect for winning us the division, but it couldn't even shut down the Astros linuep when it counted.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Here's a new article on the Cards offseason here. Nothing real shocking, it does mention Giles:

 

Asked about the need to acquire an "impact" outfielder, Jocketty said Saturday, "If one of those two guys (Walker and Sanders) don't come back, we will have to do that."

 

San Diego Padres right fielder Brian Giles, a lefthanded-hitting pending free agent, attracted Jocketty's attention before the deadline and represents a likely target this winter.

 

That same article mentioned Jocketty wanting to improve the bullpen, and to leave the rotation largely intact. If "largely intact" means waving goodbye to Morris and signing AJ Burnett, I'm happy. But if it means just bringing Reyes up I will not be pleased.

 

I really think we have to go hard after Burnett. I know he is a risky investement but pitchers like him do not grow on trees. We certainly don't have anything like him in our system. Our rotation is perfect for winning us the division, but it couldn't even shut down the Astros linuep when it counted.

 

I think Giles should be our top priority, IMO our bats let us down in the NLCS.

[Outshined_One]

If the rumors about Giles signing a 3/30 deal with San Diego are true, things are going to get interesting for plenty of teams this offseason.

 

Would the Cardinals be interested in trading with Oakland again, this time for Barry Zito? I'm getting the feeling Beane might be looking to revamp his team yet again this offseason.

[vaball]

Here's a new article on the Cards offseason here. Nothing real shocking, it does mention Giles:

 

Asked about the need to acquire an "impact" outfielder, Jocketty said Saturday, "If one of those two guys (Walker and Sanders) don't come back, we will have to do that."

 

San Diego Padres right fielder Brian Giles, a lefthanded-hitting pending free agent, attracted Jocketty's attention before the deadline and represents a likely target this winter.

 

That same article mentioned Jocketty wanting to improve the bullpen, and to leave the rotation largely intact. If "largely intact" means waving goodbye to Morris and signing AJ Burnett, I'm happy. But if it means just bringing Reyes up I will not be pleased.

 

I really think we have to go hard after Burnett. I know he is a risky investement but pitchers like him do not grow on trees. We certainly don't have anything like him in our system. Our rotation is perfect for winning us the division, but it couldn't even shut down the Astros linuep when it counted.

 

I think Giles should be our top priority, IMO our bats let us down in the NLCS.

 

They let us down big time. But I don't think just adding Giles, another guy well into his thirties, is gonna help all that much.

 

Our pitching staff couldn't even shut down Houston, and what are the chances that next time we'll get to face such a lame offense as theirs? I'm hoping that the Cards can sign Burnett and use Marquis as part of a trade for a younger impact outfielder.

[Outshined_One]

Who's the top prospect in the Cards' system behind Anthony Reyes in terms of trading potential? Lambert? Hanson?

[vaball]

Who's the top prospect in the Cards' system behind Anthony Reyes in terms of trading potential? Lambert? Hanson?

 

Probably Adam Wainwright.

[reggiemiller rules]

Who's the top prospect in the Cards' system behind Anthony Reyes in terms of trading potential? Lambert? Hanson?

 

Probably Adam Wainwright.

 

I would think teams would want Lambert more then Wainwright. Wainwright is closer to being ready, but i think Lamber has way more upside the Wainwright who had a horrible 2nd half.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Who's the top prospect in the Cards' system behind Anthony Reyes in terms of trading potential? Lambert? Hanson?

 

Probably Adam Wainwright.

 

I would think teams would want Lambert more then Wainwright. Wainwright is closer to being ready, but i think Lamber has way more upside the Wainwright who had a horrible 2nd half.

 

I agree.

[wolf stansson]

I really think we have to go hard after Burnett.

He's not worth what he'll get. If we could get him cheap then of course, but he's just not worth the long term investment he'll want.

[vaball]

I really think we have to go hard after Burnett.

He's not worth what he'll get. If we could get him cheap then of course, but he's just not worth the long term investment he'll want.

 

If we can get him for 10 per or under I think we should sign him. I think we've got to take a chance with a pitcher like him. If some of our young arms emerge as legit starters over the next two years then we can always trade him.

[XZero771679666304]

I really think we have to go hard after Burnett.

He's not worth what he'll get. If we could get him cheap then of course, but he's just not worth the long term investment he'll want.

 

If we can get him for 10 per or under I think we should sign him. I think we've got to take a chance with a pitcher like him. If some of our young arms emerge as legit starters over the next two years then we can always trade him.

 

With the shortage of starting pitching on the market this winter, He'll get more than 10 million per, even if he doesn't deserve it.

[indifferent]

I really think we have to go hard after Burnett.

He's not worth what he'll get. If we could get him cheap then of course, but he's just not worth the long term investment he'll want.

 

If we can get him for 10 per or under I think we should sign him. I think we've got to take a chance with a pitcher like him. If some of our young arms emerge as legit starters over the next two years then we can always trade him.

 

I'd have to agree with Wolf here. Burnett has a career ERA plus of 110, serious injury concerns, and he'll be 29 next year. His age leads me to believe perhaps he's a guy with great stuff, but might never be able to put it all together. Why did he collapse down the stretch this year when the Marlins needed him the most?

 

It will also compromise what I believe to be our biggest need, a productive RF. I read your initial post, VA, but I'll have to go back and see how you solved our outfield. I don't think 10 mil will do it for Burnett, but even if it does, we'll be bone dry and left with more holes than we started with.

[vaball]

I really think we have to go hard after Burnett.

He's not worth what he'll get. If we could get him cheap then of course, but he's just not worth the long term investment he'll want.

 

If we can get him for 10 per or under I think we should sign him. I think we've got to take a chance with a pitcher like him. If some of our young arms emerge as legit starters over the next two years then we can always trade him.

 

I'd have to agree with Wolf here. Burnett has a career ERA plus of 110, serious injury concerns, and he'll be 29 next year. His age leads me to believe perhaps he's a guy with great stuff, but might never be able to put it all together. Why did he collapse down the stretch this year when the Marlins needed him the most?

 

It will also compromise what I believe to be our biggest need, a productive RF. I read your initial post, VA, but I'll have to go back and see how you solved our outfield. I don't think 10 mil will do it for Burnett, but even if it does, we'll be bone dry and left with more holes than we started with.

 

Well if 10 million doesn't do it for Burnett then we pass. Even that is probably too much money for him. I'm being super greedy and thinking that we can get Giles and Burnett. In order to do that we let Morris go, let Walker go, that frees up some cash. 2006 is Edmond's last season before a club option which we do not exercise. We trade Marquis and whatever he would make in arbitration and bring up Reyes who is cheap and will probably won't do any worse than Marquis.

 

There is an assumption here that the owners are going to spend more money next year like the said they would. I haven't done the math, so if it doesn't work for both Giles and Burnett, we still get Burnett and trade for a young impact outfielder from possibly Texas, Tampa, or Cleveland, or wherever for that matter.