Palmerio says he got the "vitamin/steroid" from

[Rusch33]

Tejada.

 

I don't have a link or anything, but I'm pretty sure I heard that on a Sports Radio show somewhere.

 

That's why it's a rumor at this point and will be one for a long time.

Edited September 23, 2005 by Rusch33

[photoguy9883]

Then why hasn't Tejada failed?

[Splendid_Splinter]

Here's a link to support the story.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2169007

[Rusch33]

Well I can take that rumor/speculation off.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

let the finger pointing begin.

 

raffy is such a scumbag if tejada is innocent of doing roids and raffy is guilty. to knowingly implicate someone to get yourself out of hot water you put yourself in is digusting.

[Mizzou]

Didn't he say from day one that he'd explain his story? It sure did take him awhile to concoct something. Naming Tejada, what a POS.

[sonicdethmonkey0]

oh dear

[Chris]

ha ha, ESPN says Palmeiro isn't expected to play again this year.

 

Probably a good idea...

[sethuel1]

he should be blackballed from every clubhouse in the majors for this...

[Mike Aller]

Even if Tejada did it, you still don't sell him out.

[Derwood]

I doubt Palmeiro plays another major league game ever

[muntjack]

I'm confused. From what I understand, Palmeiro simply stated that Miggy gave him B-12 (which Tejada admitted) and it caused the faulty test. There was never any implication involving Tejada and steroids, right?

[XZero771679666304]

I'm confused. From what I understand, Palmeiro simply stated that Miggy gave him B-12 (which Tejada admitted) and it caused the faulty test. There was never any implication involving Tejada and steroids, right?

 

But Palmeiro tested positive for stanozol, which is not B-12. The implication, I think, is that there was more than B-12 in the injection Tejada gave him, making Tejada a cheat and a liar. Basically, it's Raffy grasping at straws and smearing his teammate in the process, IMO.

 

Really quite bush.

[Outshined_One]

Remember kids:

 

Never trust a good looking man with a moustache.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

I'm confused. From what I understand, Palmeiro simply stated that Miggy gave him B-12 (which Tejada admitted) and it caused the faulty test. There was never any implication involving Tejada and steroids, right?

 

But Palmeiro tested positive for stanozol, which is not B-12. The implication, I think, is that there was more than B-12 in the injection Tejada gave him, making Tejada a cheat and a liar. Basically, it's Raffy grasping at straws and smearing his teammate in the process, IMO.

 

Really quite bush.

Except for the fact that they tested the B-12 that he had and there wasn't anything except vitamins in it.

[sweetpeteman]

I think what really happened is that Raffy was blaming the B-12 for his positive test, which he got from Tejada. Not necessarily blaming Tejada, but more blaming B-12, which makes no sense because than a lot more major leaguers would have tested positive...

[Diffusion]

I don't think this is anything like you're alleging.

 

It sounds to me as though Raffy listed a number of supplements/vitamins/whatever that he'd taken and raised the possibility that they were not what he thought they were and that therefore they may have caused the negative test.

 

One of those supplements that he listed was the B-12 that Tejada gave him, which was subsequently tested and ruled out. But at no stage did Raffy say "Tejada, the most profilic drug user that I've met in this game, gave me "B-12", but it can't have been B-12 because it didn't taste like it, and that's definately what must have caused my negative test".

 

Now, obviously, if Palmeiro knowingly took steroids, even suggesting that they were accidentally taken via something else that another player gave him when he knows damn well that that's not the case, that's a very serious thing to do.

 

But as far as I was aware, it hasn't yet been proven that Palmeiro knowingly took steroids. While that looks likely, the possibility that Palmiero accidentally took something that wasn't what he thought it was cannot be entirely ruled out. And if that is what happened, do you not think Palmeiro is well within his rights to list all the substances and supplements that he's taken and have them test and at least ruled out?

 

You've all already found him guilty, of taking steroids and of perjury. As far as I can tell, you must have all in the bathroom when Palmeiro took the big syringe labelled "STEROIDS" and injected it into his stomach and backside, you saw it with your own two eyes.

 

Why do you think that Palmeiro isn't going to be charged with perjury? Because it can't be proven that he knowingly took steroids and then lied about it in front of Congress, there's not enough evidence.

 

Well maybe you guys should step forward with your eye witness accounts of what happened, and then there will be enough evidence.

 

Personally I think that Palmeiro did knowingly take steroids, and had been taking them for a while, and that he knowingly lied about it before Congress. I also think it is a terrible thing to do to even raise the possibility that one of your teammates was responsible for you failing the drugs test, if you know that that's definitely not the case. However, I don't know any of that. It's just what I think.

 

Doubt continues to exist. And therefore the benefit of the doubt should too.

[wade]

Could he have borrowed any supplements from other teammates as well? :-k

[Bull]

From the artictle I read this is a leak and an innacurate one. Its not that Raffy implicated Tejada, but more that he was listing the things he DID take. This list included the B-12 from Tejada.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Raffy is scum and a liar. Enough said.

[Derwood]

Tejada tested clean on 3 separate random tests this year. I think his name will be cleared

[Chris]

Tejada tested clean on 3 separate random tests this year. I think his name will be cleared

 

It's my understanding from ESPN that Tejada has already been cleared in regards to the vitamins.

[TheDude]

Tejada tested clean on 3 separate random tests this year. I think his name will be cleared

His name was never in need of clearing anyway.

[jyoung55]

I don't think this is anything like you're alleging.

 

It sounds to me as though Raffy listed a number of supplements/vitamins/whatever that he'd taken and raised the possibility that they were not what he thought they were and that therefore they may have caused the negative test.

 

One of those supplements that he listed was the B-12 that Tejada gave him, which was subsequently tested and ruled out. But at no stage did Raffy say "Tejada, the most profilic drug user that I've met in this game, gave me "B-12", but it can't have been B-12 because it didn't taste like it, and that's definately what must have caused my negative test".

 

Now, obviously, if Palmeiro knowingly took steroids, even suggesting that they were accidentally taken via something else that another player gave him when he knows damn well that that's not the case, that's a very serious thing to do.

 

But as far as I was aware, it hasn't yet been proven that Palmeiro knowingly took steroids. While that looks likely, the possibility that Palmiero accidentally took something that wasn't what he thought it was cannot be entirely ruled out. And if that is what happened, do you not think Palmeiro is well within his rights to list all the substances and supplements that he's taken and have them test and at least ruled out?

 

You've all already found him guilty, of taking steroids and of perjury. As far as I can tell, you must have all in the bathroom when Palmeiro took the big syringe labelled "STEROIDS" and injected it into his stomach and backside, you saw it with your own two eyes.

 

Why do you think that Palmeiro isn't going to be charged with perjury? Because it can't be proven that he knowingly took steroids and then lied about it in front of Congress, there's not enough evidence.

 

Well maybe you guys should step forward with your eye witness accounts of what happened, and then there will be enough evidence.

 

Personally I think that Palmeiro did knowingly take steroids, and had been taking them for a while, and that he knowingly lied about it before Congress. I also think it is a terrible thing to do to even raise the possibility that one of your teammates was responsible for you failing the drugs test, if you know that that's definitely not the case. However, I don't know any of that. It's just what I think.

 

Doubt continues to exist. And therefore the benefit of the doubt should too.

 

Under your test, no one could ever be PROVEN of doing anything knowingly without having some sort of device that looked into their mind. And even then I think you would have reservations about its accuracy AT THE TIME of the act. You have to infer intent from surrounding actions that the person takes. From those actions it is pretty clear that Palmeiro knowingly took steroids.

 

Just because a liar says he didn't do something doesn't mean you have to ignore everything else and say that raises doubt. It only raises UNreasonable doubt.

 

BTW, he likely will not be convicted of perjury because they have no evidence that he was doing it BEFORE he testified(he tested positive afterwards), NOT because they have no evidence of intent. Prosecutors across this country get juries to infer intent from far more tenious cases than this.

[Knightlife_in_Lubbock]

Raffy is scum and a liar. Enough said.

 

So you're saying maybe the Cubs kept the right 1st baseman?