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Piniella not returning to Devil Rays in 2006

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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2168523

 

How about Lou replacing Dusty next year? Light years better than Grady Little!

 

How about a big loud NO?! I don't understand the obsession with him. We do NOT need another manager with an insane love for veterans. Who would you rather have at 3rd? Alex Gonzalez or Jorge Cantu? I rest my case.

 

That's one reason why I certainly wouldn't do it. I never understood Tampa going after a washed up Roberto Alomar, Alex Gonzalez and the other washed up players they added to their roster this past offseason.

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I'm all for replacing Dusty, but Piniella would not even make my top five to replace him.

 

If we get rid of Dusty, let's look in this order:

1. Fredi Gonzalez

2. Davey Johnson

3. Larry Dierker

4. Ned Yost (if he could be presuaded to leave Milawukee)

5. Jim Leyland

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I'm all for replacing Dusty, but Piniella would not even make my top five to replace him.

 

If we get rid of Dusty, let's look in this order:

1. Fredi Gonzalez

2. Davey Johnson

3. Larry Dierker

4. Ned Yost (if he could be presuaded to leave Milawukee)

5. Jim Leyland

 

It would probably take a lot of persuading. I'm sure he's been impressed with the way his kids have played this season.

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I'm all for replacing Dusty, but Piniella would not even make my top five to replace him.

 

If we get rid of Dusty, let's look in this order:

1. Fredi Gonzalez

2. Davey Johnson

3. Larry Dierker

4. Ned Yost (if he could be presuaded to leave Milawukee)

5. Jim Leyland

 

It would probably take a lot of persuading. I'm sure he's been impressed with the way his kids have played this season.

 

Yeah, but I'm sure the Cubs could pay him double what he's making in Beer Town.

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I'm all for replacing Dusty, but Piniella would not even make my top five to replace him.

 

If we get rid of Dusty, let's look in this order:

1. Fredi Gonzalez

2. Davey Johnson

3. Larry Dierker

4. Ned Yost (if he could be presuaded to leave Milawukee)

5. Jim Leyland

 

It would probably take a lot of persuading. I'm sure he's been impressed with the way his kids have played this season.

 

ned yost would leave milwaukee for the cubs, no doubt. And He would be 1 on the list for me, I've wanted him with the cubs since he was the 3b coach with atlanta

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yanks don't make playoffs (looking less likely every day). Piniella to Yanks. Torre to cubs. Works for me.

 

Joe Torre still doesn't crack my top five. If he can't win with the talent he has this year, I'm not sure why we would want him other than the "name" factor. Other than managing the Yankees, has Torre ever won?

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yanks don't make playoffs (looking less likely every day). Piniella to Yanks. Torre to cubs. Works for me.

 

Joe Torre still doesn't crack my top five. If he can't win with the talent he has this year, I'm not sure why we would want him other than the "name" factor. Other than managing the Yankees, has Torre ever won?

 

Torre has won a heck of a lot more games for the Yankees the past decade than the Cubs have. And the fact that that team is in first place despite long term injuries to Pavano, Wright, Mussina, Brown, and to a lesser extent, Johnson. That's incredible. Given those injuries, the Cubs would be a 4th place team. Oh wait....

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yanks don't make playoffs (looking less likely every day). Piniella to Yanks. Torre to cubs. Works for me.

 

Joe Torre still doesn't crack my top five. If he can't win with the talent he has this year, I'm not sure why we would want him other than the "name" factor. Other than managing the Yankees, has Torre ever won?

 

Torre has won a heck of a lot more games for the Yankees the past decade than the Cubs have. And the fact that that team is in first place despite long term injuries to Pavano, Wright, Mussina, Brown, and to a lesser extent, Johnson. That's incredible. Given those injuries, the Cubs would be a 4th place team. Oh wait....

 

And the Yankees have had better teams than the Cubs the past decade. I don't think Torre's success with the Yankees has anything to do with Torre's managerial ability.

 

As far as a manager winning more games with the Cubs? We could have used that same logic with Baker's tenure with the Giants and we see how well that worked out when he got here.

 

My question still remains. How good of a manager has Torre been sans his Yankee years?

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yanks don't make playoffs (looking less likely every day). Piniella to Yanks. Torre to cubs. Works for me.

 

Joe Torre still doesn't crack my top five. If he can't win with the talent he has this year, I'm not sure why we would want him other than the "name" factor. Other than managing the Yankees, has Torre ever won?

 

Torre has won a heck of a lot more games for the Yankees the past decade than the Cubs have. And the fact that that team is in first place despite long term injuries to Pavano, Wright, Mussina, Brown, and to a lesser extent, Johnson. That's incredible. Given those injuries, the Cubs would be a 4th place team. Oh wait....

 

Exactly...What Torre has done this year by dealing with the New York press, Steinbrenner, a beleaguered pitching staff, and relying on a rookie (Canu) is certainly something that many managers couldn't have handled. For instance, Baker would have already blamed the New York press for losing the season in April and he never would have allowed Canu to see the light of day in the major leagues.

 

Salary doesn't always equal talent/results (See Kerry Wood, Nomar, et al...). Even though the Yankees have the biggest budget, they have drastically overpaid many players and do not have the best talent in the league. They have a lot of older players whose bodies are falling apart and a pitching staff consisting of a middle-rated triple AAA player from last year (Wang), a journeyman veteran (Small), and a player that was practically being given away at the deadline (Chacon). Torre has done a great job handling the criticism, handeling his players, getting the most out of his team, and putting his team in a position to win. I'm not at all a Yankee fan, but I gotta respect the terrific job Torre has done this year.

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... How good of a manager has Torre been sans his Yankee years?

 

Torre has become a better manager than he used to be earlier in his career. Similarly, Frank Robinson is a far better manager than he was with the Orioles. People can and do change as persons and it shouldn't shock anyone that Torre has the same capability to grow as a person. He's had some events that do change your outlook on life and how you interact with others in stressful situations (i.e., prostate cancer, Frank Torre's heart transplant, etc.). He is not a great game manager (Billy Martin was probably the best game manager I've ever seen), but where Torre excels is in managing a season, handling the press, developing players, demonstrating leadership, and creating a clubhouse atmoshpere with expectations and a winning attitude.

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how about Greg Maddux as player/manager? I'm positive he can fill out a lineup card better than Dusty.

I would guess he'd handle the pitchers better as well.

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