8/13 StL Cardinals (Carpenter) @ Cubs (Williams) 12:20 FOX

[JoshiQ]

Barrett is going to be singing a little higher for awhile.

[lowest]

Ouch.. Hope Barrett is okay..

 

for those of us deemed not cool enough to watch the game by FOX, what happened?

[KatJ]

Barrett is going to be singing a little higher for awhile.

 

Yeah, his one daughter might be all the Barrett's get. YEOW!

[Hatman]

Ouch.. Hope Barrett is okay..

 

for those of us deemed not cool enough to watch the game by FOX, what happened?

 

Family jewels...

[JoshiQ]

Ouch.. Hope Barrett is okay..

 

for those of us deemed not cool enough to watch the game by FOX, what happened?

 

Carpenter bunted a ball down into the dirt and it popped right back up into Barrett's crotch.

[lowest]

Ouch.. Hope Barrett is okay..

 

for those of us deemed not cool enough to watch the game by FOX, what happened?

 

Family jewels...

 

say no more...

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Ouch.. Hope Barrett is okay..

 

for those of us deemed not cool enough to watch the game by FOX, what happened?

 

Foul bunt deflected him "below the belt".

[KatJ]

I just really despise Eck. I sure hope he Ks. The way he crowds the plate, he needs to get drilled on principle. Edited August 13, 2005 by KatJ

[Schwarber Fan]

Eckstein will now probably have a 8 pitch AB and bring Williams up to 100 pitches.

[JoshiQ]

That's the second Cubs player hit by a pitcher this series!

[Transmogrified Tiger]

That really is something else McCarver. Now shut up about the cars.

[KatJ]

That's the second Cubs player hit by a pitcher this series!

 

I think THIS one was accidental, though. :)

[JoshiQ]

That's the second Cubs player hit by a pitcher this series!

 

I think THIS one was incidental, though. :)

 

You never know with the Cards! They are evil!

[Strife]

Vance,

 

maybe you can point out where I said that I think Carp deserves the Cy Young. I was responding to JonMDavis' query about what the arguments for Carp as Cy Young were. There they are: ERA is a luck-based stat. The only stats that aren't luck-based are K/BB, K/9, HR allowed (all this is in Moneyball and other books about misconceptions of baseball stats). Carp has more strikeouts, less walks, more k/ip, fewer bb/ip.

 

But feel free to make your disingenuous Lee for MVP arguments while out of the other side of your mouth talking down on Cards fans who support their guy for an award.

[Hatman]

"He's so humble that he's legitimate"

 

More pearls of wisedom from McCarver.

Edited August 13, 2005 by Hatman

[Jon]

Yay! Scoreless inning!

 

 

By the way, if anyone wants to get in the first question for Brian Dopirak, you better hurry:

 

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[NorthsideAvenger]

well, there's the K/BB and better K/9, and there's the fact that Clemens is purely a 7 inning pitcher, whereas Carp has given the Cards' bullpen rest numerous times, with a league-leading 5 CGs, and the most IP in the NL. Also, the same people that brought us the "Wins and Losses are Overrated" philosophy (Bill James and followers) also think that ERA is just as much a byproduct of luck. Really the only thing a pitcher can control is Ks, walks, and HRs allowed. That Clemens ERA is that much lower than Carpenter's really only says that fewer of the balls he has allowed to be put into play have dropped for hits.

 

OML. I seriously think it is only Cardinal fans who think Carpenter deserves the Cy. Does anyone know how long it's been since a pitcher finished with a season with an ERA as low as Clemens?

 

I'm no fan of Clemens, but he's clearly earned this Cy Young.

 

I think Carpenter should be given STRONG consideration, but in the end it will be Clemens getting the Cy, if for no other reason, he LITERALLY keep the Astros afloat until they were ready to take off.

 

Clemens=Carpenter, but Carpenter AT BEST will finish 2nd in the Cy Young.

[Schwarber Fan]

Time to tie it.... at least

[JoshiQ]

I don't have any beer in the house! AHHH!!!!

[Strife]

well, there's the K/BB and better K/9, and there's the fact that Clemens is purely a 7 inning pitcher, whereas Carp has given the Cards' bullpen rest numerous times, with a league-leading 5 CGs, and the most IP in the NL. Also, the same people that brought us the "Wins and Losses are Overrated" philosophy (Bill James and followers) also think that ERA is just as much a byproduct of luck. Really the only thing a pitcher can control is Ks, walks, and HRs allowed. That Clemens ERA is that much lower than Carpenter's really only says that fewer of the balls he has allowed to be put into play have dropped for hits.

 

 

Clemens' opposition: .184 LD%, .238 BABIP

Carpenter's opposition: .194 LD%, .263 BABIP

 

Clemens hasn't been that much luckier than Carpenter.

 

 

When you consider that Carp strikes out more batters, and only has a slightly higher LD%, the number of runs he's allowed is disproportionate.

[PieOnMyHands]

How do you bypass the blackout on MLB.com?

 

Hey, you still floatin' around here?

 

I found out how to bypass it if you are still on...

[ltb]

But feel free to make your disingenuous Lee for MVP arguments while out of the other side of your mouth talking down on Cards fans who support their guy for an award.

 

disingenuous?

 

hahahahaha, yeah, okay.

pujols trails in just about every offensive category to lee, yet he deserves the MVP?

 

this isn't really the place for this, but i really think you can find a better argument against vance than this. it's really pathetic.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

But feel free to make your disingenuous Lee for MVP arguments while out of the other side of your mouth talking down on Cards fans who support their guy for an award.

 

Yes, because Carpenter and Lee compare completely. Carpenter leads in just about every pitching metric known to man.

[KatJ]

Come on, Barrett - smoke one out of here.

[Soul]

I want to know what drugs Carpenter took to come back from a 2-year catastrophic arm blowout to suddenly become a Cy Young candidate.

 

I don't buy that he did it naturally. Not for one second.