8/13 StL Cardinals (Carpenter) @ Cubs (Williams) 12:20 FOX

[Hatman]

McCarver went dead silent on that Ramirez HR. ha ha.

 

Deion Sanders was so right...McCarver is a yutz.

Edited August 13, 2005 by Hatman

[Omar]

Nomar grounds out. Inning over.

[Schwarber Fan]

On gameday, it had Burnitz's double over the center field wall

 

Oh well Nomar 2 runs is OK

[Strife]

well, there's the K/BB and better K/9, and there's the fact that Clemens is purely a 7 inning pitcher, whereas Carp has given the Cards' bullpen rest numerous times, with a league-leading 5 CGs, and the most IP in the NL. Also, the same people that brought us the "Wins and Losses are Overrated" philosophy (Bill James and followers) also think that ERA is just as much a byproduct of luck. Really the only thing a pitcher can control is Ks, walks, and HRs allowed. That Clemens ERA is that much lower than Carpenter's really only says that fewer of the balls he has allowed to be put into play have dropped for hits.

[KatJ]

Oh well Nomar 2 runs is OK

 

As long as we don't give them back and then some.

[Jon]

I'd love to hear the logic behind Carpenter for Cy Young...

 

Hopefully it'll be better than the Garland for Cy Young argument.

 

Better K/BB and more Ks than Clemens. That's about it, though (unless you're a fool who loves wins for pitchers).

What a silly thought.

 

I'm still a little surprised that Edmonds thought the wall was only 8-feet high.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Ramirez is playing a cruel trick on me so I'll actually listen to the rest of the game.

[da bears]

come on williams, keep the momentum on the cubs side. quick inning here.

[Schwarber Fan]

Oh well Nomar 2 runs is OK

 

As long as we don't give them back and then some.

 

And there is that negative point of view

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'd love to hear the logic behind Carpenter for Cy Young...

 

Hopefully it'll be better than the Garland for Cy Young argument.

 

Better K/BB and more Ks than Clemens. That's about it, though (unless you're a fool who loves wins for pitchers).

What a silly thought.

 

I'm still a little surprised that Edmonds thought the wall was only 8-feet high.

 

And that the ball was about 7 feet to his right.

[Omar]

Grudz singles..

[KatJ]

Oh well Nomar 2 runs is OK

 

As long as we don't give them back and then some.

 

And there is that negative point of view

 

I bet I've seen more games than you, my dear. :-) From a Cub fan's perspective, that isn't negativism... it's realism.

Edited August 13, 2005 by KatJ

[Schwarber Fan]

cmon DP here Mahoney Sox

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

well, there's the K/BB and better K/9, and there's the fact that Clemens is purely a 7 inning pitcher, whereas Carp has given the Cards' bullpen rest numerous times, with a league-leading 5 CGs, and the most IP in the NL. Also, the same people that brought us the "Wins and Losses are Overrated" philosophy (Bill James and followers) also think that ERA is just as much a byproduct of luck. Really the only thing a pitcher can control is Ks, walks, and HRs allowed. That Clemens ERA is that much lower than Carpenter's really only says that fewer of the balls he has allowed to be put into play have dropped for hits.

 

OML. I seriously think it is only Cardinal fans who think Carpenter deserves the Cy. Does anyone know how long it's been since a pitcher finished with a season with an ERA as low as Clemens?

 

I'm no fan of Clemens, but he's clearly earned this Cy Young.

[KatJ]

Straw poll time: how do you think the Cardinals' offense would be if Pujols were not in the lineup?

[Schwarber Fan]

And Mahoney K's

[Sarcastic]

Straw poll time: how do you think the Cardinals' offense would be if Pujols were not in the lineup?

 

Who's the Cardinals' backup 1B?

[Hatman]

Straw poll time: how do you think the Cardinals' offense would be if Pujols were not in the lineup?

 

Simply put: Not as good.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Straw poll time: how do you think the Cardinals' offense would be if Pujols were not in the lineup?

 

Who's the Cardinals' backup 1B?

 

Mabry or Gall.

[Schwarber Fan]

Straw poll time: how do you think the Cardinals' offense would be if Pujols were not in the lineup?

 

Well, for one thing, we'd be winning right now :)

[Omar]

:evil: Bruce Froemming will be at home plate tomorrow.

 

"You screwed Milt! You screwed milt! You screwed Milt!" (rpt x his weight)

[UK1679666180]

Clemens has allowed 39 fewer runs than an avg. would, Carpenter 30 fewer runs.

 

Clemens DERA-1.91

Carpenter DERA-2.90

 

Clemens deserves the Cy Young.

[Omar]

Ouch.. Hope Barrett is okay..

[Transmogrified Tiger]

well, there's the K/BB and better K/9, and there's the fact that Clemens is purely a 7 inning pitcher, whereas Carp has given the Cards' bullpen rest numerous times, with a league-leading 5 CGs, and the most IP in the NL. Also, the same people that brought us the "Wins and Losses are Overrated" philosophy (Bill James and followers) also think that ERA is just as much a byproduct of luck. Really the only thing a pitcher can control is Ks, walks, and HRs allowed. That Clemens ERA is that much lower than Carpenter's really only says that fewer of the balls he has allowed to be put into play have dropped for hits.

 

 

Clemens' opposition: .184 LD%, .238 BABIP

Carpenter's opposition: .194 LD%, .263 BABIP

 

Clemens hasn't been that much luckier than Carpenter.

[KatJ]

Straw poll time: how do you think the Cardinals' offense would be if Pujols were not in the lineup?

 

Who's the Cardinals' backup 1B?

 

John Mabry. Used to be (one of) the catchers. Tino Martinez is back to being a Yankee.