8/7 Cubs (Zambrano) at Mets (Zambrano) 7:05 PM CT ESPN

[RynoRules]

Ron Santo - "I can't see this getting any worse than it is now."

 

He's been huffing and sighing all game.

I feel bad for the guy. Actually, I feel bad for all Cubs fans. We've had it bad for years now.

 

Agreed. I remember being at Wrigley in 97', watching Mike Lansing hit HRs and the Rocks kicking our butts. This reaks of that. I am not going to lie:

If they stink when I am there tomorrow night, I will "boo".

[ltb]

He has nothing to be bitter about. The Cards will have two straight division championships after this year. He is telling the truth, sorry if it hurts sometimes.

 

Sorry, but he's not "telling the truth."

[YearofDaCubs]

This'll do it for me this year. I've had enough of this team. I don't care if it's the players, the manager, the front office, the fans or some combination of any of these. I''m as optimistic as anyone, but this is out of control.

 

I'll talk to you guys when spring training approaches, or occasionally on the minors threads.

See ya buddy. I know where you're coming from

[circlechange]

This'll do it for me this year. I've had enough of this team. I don't care if it's the players, the manager, the front office, the fans or some combination of any of these. I''m as optimistic as anyone, but this is out of control.

 

I'll talk to you guys when spring training approaches, or occasionally on the minors threads.

Are you quitting on your team? ;)

[bhogg]

Maybe carlos did hurt his back and didn't handle the situation very well, but there are a lot bigger problems then that. Case in point 2/3 of our outfield are not major league starters.

 

 

I agree.

 

 

It's not like Z would be the type to leave the mound and say "hey coach, my back hurts and I don't think I can go any more."

 

He's a firey guy who'd most likely get pissed off at himself and do what he did.

 

Maybe the "throat slash" just meant "I'm finished."

 

Like others have said, those 80 pitches in only 3 innings are tough on a guy.

[RynoRules]

Just going through the motions...

 

And David Wright is one really ugly dude.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

He has nothing to be bitter about. The Cards will have two straight division championships after this year. He is telling the truth, sorry if it hurts sometimes.

 

Sorry, but he's not "telling the truth."

 

What is the truth? Just curious.

[Illini Iceman]

He has nothing to be bitter about. The Cards will have two straight division championships after this year. He is telling the truth, sorry if it hurts sometimes.

 

Sorry, but he's not "telling the truth."

 

Z has a history of doing immature things that hurt the team. If he did quit on the team today then that qualifies as another. Don't see any other way around it.

Edited August 8, 2005 by Illini Iceman

[Jon]

I'll give Wuertz credit for battling out there.

 

We might as well clean house though. Bring up Pie and company. These gusy are done. I can't believe I am going to see these bums tomorrow night.

Pie's been on the DL for nearly two months now. I'd settle for Cedeno getting some playing time.

 

As for the "incident," Dusty didn't lie on the spot. The official word of lower back pain was already given in the press box the half-inning before the interview. Whether or not that's a lie remains to be seen.

 

Personally, I don't care much.

[ltb]

He has nothing to be bitter about. The Cards will have two straight division championships after this year. He is telling the truth, sorry if it hurts sometimes.

 

Sorry, but he's not "telling the truth."

 

Z has a history of doing immature things that hurt the team. If he did quit on the team today than that qualifies as another. Don't see any other way around it.

 

Yeah, a history that includes NOTHING FROM 2005. NOTHING. His ejection on Opening Day was after he was taken out of the game. Zambrano has done NOTHING this year to hurt this team.

[bhogg]

cedeno 0-1. . . no PT for 3 more weeks

 

 

holly 1 hit. . . . sures up a starting spot for the next 3 weeks

 

 

neifi 1 hit. . . . nomar, take a seat

[Blueheart05]

good im happy what Z did. The lineup tonight was an absolute joke and there's no way this team is coming back down 4 runs. Hopefully an 0-6 record in NY this year will be the beginning of the end of the Dusty Baker era.

 

Happy? This is the kind of this a guy gets shipped out of town for... You win and lose as a team. Bush league

 

Now Dusty's making excuses for Zambrano (now I know he left on his own). "His back is hurting him." BS!!!

 

Actually, Dusty's apologizing for his players has come back to bite him in the arse. Sometimes players have to be accountable.

 

Well, I'm sure he'll address it after the game. Do you really expect the manager to bust the guy out on TV after he's left the game? I wouldn't... I can see a manager pulling someone out of agame to make a not so silent point but saying Zambrano quit on the team infront of a national audience doesn't make much sense. What should Dusty have done? I think under the circumstances he handled it well. To be honest, ESPN tried to bait Baker by asking that question... Did you notice the ackward silence after Dusty's answer? They were sure if they should challenge him. Thankfully, they left it alone.

[treebird]

glad to see all the cardinal fans found their way to the game thread tonight of all nights. what a coincidence.

[JGalt73]

At least the Cubs didn't wait for the last week of the season to totally collapse.

[EricG]

I'll give Wuertz credit for battling out there.

 

We might as well clean house though. Bring up Pie and company. These gusy are done. I can't believe I am going to see these bums tomorrow night.

Pie's been on the DL for nearly two months now. I'd settle for Cedeno getting some playing time.

 

As for the "incident," Dusty didn't lie on the spot. The official word of lower back pain was already given in the press box the half-inning before the interview. Whether or not that's a lie remains to be seen.

 

Personally, I don't care much.

I wouldn't mind an OF of Murton, Lawton, and Greenberg. Can Cedeno play 2B (or Nomar)?

[YearofDaCubs]

Wow, Pat and Ron really giving it to the Cubs, but there are saying nothing that isn't true.

[Jon]

The team not trying doesn't excuse making arguments personal. Cut it out.

[ltb]

glad to see all the cardinal fans found their way to the game thread tonight of all nights. what a coincidence.

 

wow, just as i was going to post this, you already did.

 

thanks.

[bhogg]

looks like lee's front shoulder is flying open. . . pulling off the ball a bit. .. . . . not good at all.

 

 

c'mon, DLee. . . . youda man. . . . a 2 run homer would be nice!

[Cubzfan64]

good im happy what Z did. The lineup tonight was an absolute joke and there's no way this team is coming back down 4 runs. Hopefully an 0-6 record in NY this year will be the beginning of the end of the Dusty Baker era.

 

Happy? This is the kind of this a guy gets shipped out of town for... You win and lose as a team. Bush league

 

Now Dusty's making excuses for Zambrano (now I know he left on his own). "His back is hurting him." BS!!!

 

Actually, Dusty's apologizing for his players has come back to bite him in the arse. Sometimes players have to be accountable.

 

Well, I'm sure he'll address it after the game. Do you really expect the manager to bust the guy out on TV after he's left the game? I wouldn't... I can see a manager pulling someone out of agame to make a not so silent point but saying Zambrano quit on the team infront of a national audience doesn't make much sense. What should Dusty have done? I think under the circumstances he handled it well. To be honest, ESPN tried to bait Baker by asking that question... Did you notice the ackward silence after Dusty's answer? They were sure if they should challenge him. Thankfully, they left it alone.

 

Agreed!! If Z indeed "quit" on the team and his manager (and I doubt we will ever really know), this is the absolutely perfect example of a situation that gets taken care of "in house" and away from the public.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

glad to see all the cardinal fans found their way to the game thread tonight of all nights. what a coincidence.

 

To be fair I was posting before Z left. Point taken tho, enuff about Z for me.

[scs_paradise]

Maybe carlos did hurt his back and didn't handle the situation very well, but there are a lot bigger problems then that. Case in point 2/3 of our outfield are not major league starters.

 

 

I agree.

 

 

It's not like Z would be the type to leave the mound and say "hey coach, my back hurts and I don't think I can go any more."

 

He's a firey guy who'd most likely get pissed off at himself and do what he did.

 

Maybe the "throat slash" just meant "I'm finished."

 

Like others have said, those 80 pitches in only 3 innings are tough on a guy.

 

no one makes a big deal if a pitcher says to the coach that he is done. In fact there was a big story last year about how dusty pretty much lets maddux decide when he's done. Just cause Z chose a poor way to let larry know doesn't mean he quit on his team. He didn't have it tonight, threw alot of pitches for 3 innings, may have had a tight back or bad toe, and packed it in....I don't see it as a revolt against dusty or quitting on the team...everything doesn't have to be such a drama scene...

[IowaCubsFan]

Wow, Pat and Ron really giving it to the Cubs, but there are saying nothing that isn't true.

 

What are they saying? I don't have the radio on.

[XZero771679666304]

good im happy what Z did. The lineup tonight was an absolute joke and there's no way this team is coming back down 4 runs. Hopefully an 0-6 record in NY this year will be the beginning of the end of the Dusty Baker era.

 

Happy? This is the kind of this a guy gets shipped out of town for... You win and lose as a team. Bush league

 

Now Dusty's making excuses for Zambrano (now I know he left on his own). "His back is hurting him." BS!!!

 

Actually, Dusty's apologizing for his players has come back to bite him in the arse. Sometimes players have to be accountable.

 

Well, I'm sure he'll address it after the game. Do you really expect the manager to bust the guy out on TV after he's left the game? I wouldn't... I can see a manager pulling someone out of agame to make a not so silent point but saying Zambrano quit on the team infront of a national audience doesn't make much sense. What should Dusty have done? I think under the circumstances he handled it well. To be honest, ESPN tried to bait Baker by asking that question... Did you notice the ackward silence after Dusty's answer? They were sure if they should challenge him. Thankfully, they left it alone.

 

I don't think that anyone should be called out on TV, but he doesn't need to be so apologetic and make excuses. Sometimes the guys should have to answer for their actions.

[Fred Hornkohl]

TOP OF THE SIXTH INNING

 

Cedeno, pinch hitting for Wuertz, grounded out to second, 4-3

Lawton grounded out to second, 4-3

Perez singled to right field

Perez took second on a wild pitch

Lee flied out to center field

 

0 runs, 1 hits, 0 errors, 1 men left on base

 

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CUBS       0 0 0 0 0 0          0 3 1 
NY Mets    2 0 2 0 1            5 7 0