Reminder to Cardinal Scrubs - YOU'RE SCRUBS

[theOrange]

They remind me of the Braves of 1990

Superstation, smooperstation, right?

 

Huh?

Where are the Brewers going to get the revenue to keep up with higher payroll teams like STL, Cubs, or Houston? The Braves had the benefit of a huge, nationwide TV deal. Not so with the Brew-Crew.

 

Sssh - don't tell Oakland you need a lot of money to keep up!

And don't tell the Cubs or Yankees they are supposed to be good this year b/c of their high payroll.

 

You are not serious, right?

[1908]

They remind me of the Braves of 1990

Superstation, smooperstation, right?

 

Huh?

Where are the Brewers going to get the revenue to keep up with higher payroll teams like STL, Cubs, or Houston? The Braves had the benefit of a huge, nationwide TV deal. Not so with the Brew-Crew.

 

Sssh - don't tell Oakland you need a lot of money to keep up!

And don't tell the Cubs or Yankees they are supposed to be good this year b/c of their high payroll.

 

You are not serious, right?

You honestly believe that payroll isn't a huge part of sustained success in MLB? And you're using the Yankees to prove that point? Amazing.

[theOrange]

They remind me of the Braves of 1990

Superstation, smooperstation, right?

 

Huh?

Where are the Brewers going to get the revenue to keep up with higher payroll teams like STL, Cubs, or Houston? The Braves had the benefit of a huge, nationwide TV deal. Not so with the Brew-Crew.

 

Sssh - don't tell Oakland you need a lot of money to keep up!

And don't tell the Cubs or Yankees they are supposed to be good this year b/c of their high payroll.

 

You are not serious, right?

You honestly believe that payroll isn't a huge part of sustained success in MLB? And you're using the Yankees to prove that point? Amazing.

 

Please read it again - that is not what i said.

 

I made a comparison of the 2005 Brewers to the pre-dynasty Braves of 1990. I think they are very similiar for the reasons i have already listed. I am not saying the will go on a run like the Braves did but like the 1990 Braves they are def on the cusp of turing it around.

 

There is no doubt money plays a part in success (or lack thereof) for a club. I never said it didn't. Not only is a high payroll NO GURANTEE (yankees, cubs) but you don't HAVE (oakland) to have it to win.

 

Thus we digress as we are talking about a different topic - i never started a debate about what the role of payroll in baseball. I was talking about the Braves. And if the previous poster was saying the the Braves just spend their way to the 90s dynasty then they didn't pay attention very well in the 90s. The Braves ended their celler-dweller status with just the right mix of managing, developing prospects, trades, and key FA signings. Sure they spend some more $$ - it was self feeding as they won more - but that wasn't the only reason for succes. You still have to spend it well and must blend it with the other club assests.

 

Going from 9 years of sucking to 13 consec div titles - now that is truly

 

AMAZING.

[1908]

Please read it again - that is not what i said.

Your glib response to wolf sure implied it.

 

I made a comparison of the 2005 Brewers to the pre-dynasty Braves of 1990. I think they are very similiar for the reasons i have already listed. I am not saying the will go on a run like the Braves did but like the 1990 Braves they are def on the cusp of turing it around.

I agree with the part in bold, and I think money will be the Brewers' biggest hinderance in maintaining longterm success.

 

There is no doubt money plays a part in success (or lack thereof) for a club. I never said it didn't. Not only is a high payroll NO GURANTEE (yankees, cubs) but you don't HAVE (oakland) to have it to win.

I never said it was a guarantee either, but I will point out that the Yankees have had significantly more success than the A's.

 

Going from 9 years of sucking to 13 consec div titles - now that is truly

 

AMAZING.

Are you just being glib again or are you suggesting what you claim not to be saying above?

[gus_dog]

Where are the Brewers going to get the revenue to keep up with higher payroll teams like STL, Cubs, or Houston? The Braves had the benefit of a huge, nationwide TV deal. Not so with the Brew-Crew.

 

From all the Cub fans that fill up their stadium 7-9 times a season. :wink:

[theOrange]

Please read it again - that is not what i said.

Your glib response to wolf sure implied it.

 

I made a comparison of the 2005 Brewers to the pre-dynasty Braves of 1990. I think they are very similiar for the reasons i have already listed. I am not saying the will go on a run like the Braves did but like the 1990 Braves they are def on the cusp of turing it around.

I agree with the part in bold, and I think money will be the Brewers' biggest hinderance in maintaining longterm success.

 

There is no doubt money plays a part in success (or lack thereof) for a club. I never said it didn't. Not only is a high payroll NO GURANTEE (yankees, cubs) but you don't HAVE (oakland) to have it to win.

I never said it was a guarantee either, but I will point out that the Yankees have had significantly more success than the A's.

 

Going from 9 years of sucking to 13 consec div titles - now that is truly

 

AMAZING.

Are you just being glib again or are you suggesting what you claim not to be saying above?

 

There was nothing "glib" about anything i wrote. What was your ? again?

[wolf stansson]

You are not serious, right?

lol. Actually yeah, I am being serious. You cite Oakland as an example. ONE example. Here are my examples: Yankees, Braves, Cardinals, Red Sox, Angels, Astros, Giants. Unless of course you thought it was just a coincidence they are always in contention. It's paying a lot of money to the right guys (Yankees recent decline and the Mets are examples of why it doesn't always work).

 

Dude I'm not saying you're wrong, I was just saying that without a significant revenue stream, it's definitely an uphill battle and the odds are against them. When the Cubs hire the right manager and whoever is holding the GM role (Hendry or replacement) start building a bullpen and spending money on the right guys they could easily win it every year. Compound that with the fact that the Cardinals will have Albert Pujols and Scott Rolen together for at least the next 7 years maybe more and some promising pitching talent in the minors and their very competent management team and it will be very difficult for the Brewers to put it together.

[1908]

There was nothing "glib" about anything i wrote.

Whatever.

 

What was your ? again?

Nevermind.

[Mark_R]

David Eckstein with a Grand Slam to win the game in the ninth inning. Unreal.

[Strife]

Can't really complain about that one after Neifi's granny against the Cards.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

After watching Eckstein take BP, I didn't think he could hit a Tennis ball out of the park.

[treebird]

Can't really complain about that one after Neifi's granny against the Cards.

 

completely unrelated. if you want to start a thread about how neifi should stop playing so well (?) feel free.

[fulldeck]

David Eckstein with a Grand Slam to win the game in the ninth inning. Unreal.

 

Seconds after Chip Carey touts that the Altanta OFers can bring it in and not worry about Eck hitting one over their heads.

[Strife]

completely unrelated. if you want to start a thread about how neifi should stop playing so well (?) feel free.

 

no, it's not completely unrelated, b/c this is one of those whiny "Cardinals scrubs always come through" posts. David Eckstein is having a horrible second half. No one in this thread is saying he should "stop playing so well" because he's not playing well at all. No, he's whining b/c we won a game on a late-inning grand slam by our light-hitting shortstop, which seems like an unlikely way to win.

 

Like I said, can't complain about that when Neifi won a game for you a while back the same way.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

completely unrelated. if you want to start a thread about how neifi should stop playing so well (?) feel free.

 

no, it's not completely unrelated, b/c this is one of those whiny "Cardinals scrubs always come through" posts. David Eckstein is having a horrible second half. No one in this thread is saying he should "stop playing so well" because he's not playing well at all. No, he's whining b/c we won a game on a late-inning grand slam by our light-hitting shortstop, which seems like an unlikely way to win.

 

Like I said, can't complain about that when Neifi won a game for you a while back the same way.

 

His second half to this point is in line with his career numbers.

[Strife]

no it's not, he's batting about .215 in the second half.

[Strife]

Excuse me, .228.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/headtohead

 

With a career .277 average and .348 OBP.

 

He's under his career numbers - by a lot - in the second half.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Eckstein since ASB: .228/.287/.413/.700

Eckstein career: .277/.348/.356/.704

[dalgreen]

Prior to yesterday, Eckstein had one walk in the last 20 games. I give the Cards their props. They are a very good team, but they've also had some luck to go with it. They looked dead until Pujols hit his solo shot off of Farnsworth, and with the 7-8-9 men coming up the stadium was dead. But of course the first three guys get hits. So freakin' Taguchi has seven homers. Go figure.

[fulldeck]

Prior to yesterday, Eckstein had one walk in the last 20 games. I give the Cards their props. They are a very good team, but they've also had some luck to go with it. They looked dead until Pujols hit his solo shot off of Farnsworth, and with the 7-8-9 men coming up the stadium was dead. But of course the first three guys get hits. So freakin' Taguchi has seven homers. Go figure.

 

I would say good timing on McRae's part...from stltoday.com

 

Cardinals hitting coach Hal McRae approached leadoff hitter David Eckstein with a rhetorical question Sunday during batting practice: How many walks had he had in the past 20 games?

 

Eckstein guessed four.

 

The answer was one.

 

"That," McRae said, "is the point."

 

At McRae's advice, Eckstein waited out pitches and didn't swing the bat once in his first two plate appearances Sunday. For the day, he reached base four times, doubling with his first swing and winning the game with its final swing.

[Catman61]

After watching Eckstein take BP, I didn't think he could hit a Tennis ball out of the park.

 

Definitely an unlikely candidate/hero. Guy has 22 career HR, 4 of them grand slams and 2 of those walk off grand slams. :shock:

[gus_dog]

no it's not, he's batting about .215 in the second half.

 

Yes, it is unrelated. Besides, nobody 'complained'. He just said 'unreal', which it kind of is, IMO.

 

You have to admit, it is highly unusual, although I have come to expect these things in baseball - it's the nature of the game.

[Kuzman]

Just wanted to take the time to remind some Cardinals of something:

 

Abraham Nunez - you're a mediocre at best bum with a career line of .238/.306/.316. You're not a guy who is supposed to be putting up a line of .316/.375/.435 or whatever you'll be at after tonight. Try to understand that you suck, you've sucked every year of your career and there's no logical reason that you should have stopped sucking after proving your suckitude over 6+ major league seasons.

 

J-Rod: You are a career minor leaguer, not even a prospect really. What the hell is up with the 1.100 OPS since you got called up!?!?!?

 

David Eckstein - your career high in walks is 45 (in 152 games)... so how do you have 41 in 97 games now? At least the good news is that you seem to have forgotten how to draw walks over the past 10 games.

 

Chris Carpenter - Career ERA+ of 102. Career best of 116. All of a sudden last year your ERA+ is 121 the first year off of surgery, and now you're contending for a Cy Young? Where the hell did that come from?

 

Al Reyes - Journeyman and guy who has spent your career between AAA and the majors, with a career ERA of 3.92 and a remarkable lack of major league quality pitching up through age 32. All of a sudden you turn into a big part of a solid bullpen, with an ERA under 3 and very good peripheral numbers (39 IP, 25 H, 14 BB, 42 K)

 

Julian Tavarez - Career ERA of 4.32. Even in years when you pitched completely out of the bullpen, you routinely put up ERAs in the upper threes and sometimes worse. The year before coming to St. Louis your ERA was 3.66. All of a sudden at age 31 you figure it all out?!?!? ERA of 2.38 last year and 2.80 this year? Why?

 

Ray King and Randy Flores, I won't even get started on you losers. Jim Edmonds, you've been good for too many years, but I'd like to know where the increased durability, patience and power came from upon arriving in St. Louis. Is there a magical fountain of "play out your butt" somewhere near the Arch? If so, Jose Macias (you know, the guy with superior career numbers to Abraham Nunez before this season) would like to find it, as would the rest of the Cubs. If not, hopefully this post will serve as a reminder to you guys to start playing like the players you really are.

 

Chicago Cubs - 16 games out of first place

Chicago Cubs - 3 Games under .500 and falling (54-57)

 

I also like how he calls these guys bums and mediocre minor leaguers. If youre so good why aren't you playing center field for the cubs?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Chicago Cubs - 16 games out of first place

Chicago Cubs - 3 Games under .500 and falling (54-57)

 

I also like how he calls these guys bums and mediocre minor leaguers. If youre so good why aren't you playing center field for the cubs?

 

What's the point of putting the record in there?

 

I don't think any of us here are near as good as most professional baseball players. That doesn't mean we're not allowed to evaluate them. Truffle's right, most of those guys had very little success before coming to the Cardinals, and now ALL of them are having career years.

[Wild_Cubs04]

Just wanted to take the time to remind some Cardinals of something:

 

Abraham Nunez - you're a mediocre at best bum with a career line of .238/.306/.316. You're not a guy who is supposed to be putting up a line of .316/.375/.435 or whatever you'll be at after tonight. Try to understand that you suck, you've sucked every year of your career and there's no logical reason that you should have stopped sucking after proving your suckitude over 6+ major league seasons.

 

J-Rod: You are a career minor leaguer, not even a prospect really. What the hell is up with the 1.100 OPS since you got called up!?!?!?

 

David Eckstein - your career high in walks is 45 (in 152 games)... so how do you have 41 in 97 games now? At least the good news is that you seem to have forgotten how to draw walks over the past 10 games.

 

Chris Carpenter - Career ERA+ of 102. Career best of 116. All of a sudden last year your ERA+ is 121 the first year off of surgery, and now you're contending for a Cy Young? Where the hell did that come from?

 

Al Reyes - Journeyman and guy who has spent your career between AAA and the majors, with a career ERA of 3.92 and a remarkable lack of major league quality pitching up through age 32. All of a sudden you turn into a big part of a solid bullpen, with an ERA under 3 and very good peripheral numbers (39 IP, 25 H, 14 BB, 42 K)

 

Julian Tavarez - Career ERA of 4.32. Even in years when you pitched completely out of the bullpen, you routinely put up ERAs in the upper threes and sometimes worse. The year before coming to St. Louis your ERA was 3.66. All of a sudden at age 31 you figure it all out?!?!? ERA of 2.38 last year and 2.80 this year? Why?

 

Ray King and Randy Flores, I won't even get started on you losers. Jim Edmonds, you've been good for too many years, but I'd like to know where the increased durability, patience and power came from upon arriving in St. Louis. Is there a magical fountain of "play out your butt" somewhere near the Arch? If so, Jose Macias (you know, the guy with superior career numbers to Abraham Nunez before this season) would like to find it, as would the rest of the Cubs. If not, hopefully this post will serve as a reminder to you guys to start playing like the players you really are.

 

Chicago Cubs - 16 games out of first place

Chicago Cubs - 3 Games under .500 and falling (54-57)

 

I also like how he calls these guys bums and mediocre minor leaguers. If youre so good why aren't you playing center field for the cubs?

 

People are a bit testy here with the way the Cubs are playing, that's probly not the smartest thing to post.