thoughts on wood trade

[neely crenshaw]

i never really wanted to get rid of wood. i always hope he would be healthy and reach his potential. i just don't know that the cubs can wait any longer, especially with 12 mil due next year. that is 12 mil that could really go a llooong way to filling some holes.

obviously he has very little trade value. no one will give up too much to pay that kind of money on a gamble! but i do think their are some temas that might take the risk of taking him on because of his potential.

my main thought is the new york yankees. money doesn't matter. they need pitching.they could take a gamble that wood could do something down the stretch(he did throw a couple good games before the inflamation) and come back next year. he is still potentially better than pavano,mussina,wright or wang. they also have a big contract pitcher in kevin brown, who is going to do very little BUT his contract is up this year while kerry has at least 1 more. we are pretty much done..in 2 weeks we probably will be for sure. trade wood for brown at the deadline. we pay off brown last 8 weeks of salary, get whatever he gives us for the last 2 months and be free of 12 mil in salary to sign another starter or help elsewhere. if by chance maddux was traded we would have 21 mil back to sign starters. prior and Z look to be back at full strength, williams can be a very servicable 4 or 5, sign a big time no.3(burnett?) and still have rusch or a youngin' to be no. 5.

we would have a very strong staff and still have serious cash left to sign an outfielder(or 2) and ss. especially when you add nomar and burnitz' salary to the mix(13mil)!

[TruffleShuffle]

I think I heard somewhere that Wood has a no-trade clause...

[AAApittsburgh]

I think I heard somewhere that Wood has a no-trade clause...

I heard this too. And how is Burnett any better than Wood?

[neely crenshaw]

he has a no trade clause but i would think being in a pennent race with the yanks would work.

burnett would likely be cheaper than 12 mil. he has been injured but he has only had 1 arm problem they rest were elsewhere(broken thumb and foot, i believe) while kerry's problems seem to be with his arm. you have to believe a guy will not continue to break bones, while we are pretty sure that kerry will continue to have arm troubles.

also i just threw out burnett because he is a free agent and a hot topic...the main thought isn't who to get but do we think about this route?

[rocket]

Wood is expensive. Wood's list of teams he would accept a trade to is probably only around 5. Cubs won't trade Wood unless they can get value for him.

 

So keep this in mind with Wood trade proposals. It'd have to be to a team that Wood would accept, a team that can afford him, and a team that is willing to give up players we want for an injury prone, expensive pitcher.

 

With all that in mind, let's hear some reasonable Wood deals.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

would we even be able to deal wood w/o picking up a large chunk of his contract?

 

maybe we could steal hanley ramirez from Boston. *keeps dreaming*

[AAApittsburgh]

he has a no trade clause but i would think being in a pennent race with the yanks would work.

burnett would likely be cheaper than 12 mil. he has been injured but he has only had 1 arm problem they rest were elsewhere(broken thumb and foot, i believe) while kerry's problems seem to be with his arm. you have to believe a guy will not continue to break bones, while we are pretty sure that kerry will continue to have arm troubles.

also i just threw out burnett because he is a free agent and a hot topic...the main thought isn't who to get but do we think about this route?

I still don't see the point. You're basically trading Wood to dump salary, but then you still have to use that money to sign another starter. Burnett won't come much cheaper than Wood. There are plenty of teams who will overpay for him. Next year is his contract year. I have a feeling Wood plays through the pain and ends up raising his value. Assuming that's the case, it might be better to entertain offers for him at next season's deadline, but only if we have a suitable replacement for him. I'd want at least one good pitching prospect for him that is close to major league ready and a position player, preferably a corner OF or MIF.

[MadDog07]

My only Cub's jersey is a Woody one, which is pretty much the sole reason I want to keep him...

 

I can't imagine another decent starting pitcher being aquired for Wood, so would you rather have another project to worry about in the rotation for 15 starts a year or for 35? I don't know how many years he's locked on for, but Wood knows he'll never see this much money with another organization, so he may even be willing to take a little bit of a cut.

[Rusch33]

I heard a rumor that we tried trading Wood in the off-season to the Dodgers for Gagne.

 

Anyone remember that?

[Outshined_One]

I heard a rumor that we tried trading Wood in the off-season to the Dodgers for Gagne.

 

Anyone remember that?

 

Wasn't that some random crap Paul Sullivan or Mike Kiley made up or suggested?

[TB_11]

Before we have another 'Let's trade Wood' thread, does anyone know the list of teams he would be willing to wave his no-trade clause for?

[Roast]

Before we have another 'Let's trade Wood' thread, does anyone know the list of teams he would be willing to wave his no-trade clause for?

Kerry's List:

1.

 

 

 

 

 

No one knows. I doubt he even has one.

[sweetpeteman]

Before we have another 'Let's trade Wood' thread, does anyone know the list of teams he would be willing to wave his no-trade clause for?

Kerry's List:

1.

 

 

 

 

 

No one knows. I doubt he even has one.

 

yep... pretty sure he and his wife don't want to leave Chi-town.

[CubsFan4Life]

Before we have another 'Let's trade Wood' thread, does anyone know the list of teams he would be willing to wave his no-trade clause for?

Kerry's List:

1.

 

 

 

 

 

No one knows. I doubt he even has one.

 

yep... pretty sure he and his wife don't want to leave Chi-town.

 

Oh you talked to them lately, how were they doing by the way?

[shnsajax]

The only team I can even consider him is Texas, and even that is not a lock.

 

The one thing that I think is being forgotten is the Kerry wants to be a Cub.

[CubsFan4Life]

The only team I can even consider him is Texas, and even that is not a lock.

 

The one thing that I think is being forgotten is the Kerry wants to be a Cub.

 

I don't think that's forgotten at all especially since we've been talking about his no-trade, but I don't think that he would'nt even think about going to another team like Texas, I don't think he'd mind that much especially since they are a contender.

[NCCubFan]

Oh you talked to them lately, how were they doing by the way?

That sarcasm is uncalled for. It doesn't take talking to them to infer that they want to stay in Chicago. The fact that Sarah is from the Chicago area, plus the fact that they bought a house in the area within the past couple of years, would tend to suggest that they want to stay in Chicago.

[nolanwood]

I absolutely don't want to see Wood go anywhere - and I'll cease reading anymore threads suggesting it. Wood has had some horrid bad luck, and I most definitely have not even come close to giving up on him yet. When he's healthy, hes a dominating pitcher plagued with little run support. I have 100% faith that Kerry's luck will change soon.

 

I'd be curious to see a tally of how many of these Wood bashers were the same folks that said we dont have a chance at the postseason after 2 months of baseball.....

 

Does anybody remember when we played .500 ball 1/5 seasons - I'm truly thankful for what we've got, and for the leaders on this team.

[RynoRules]

99.9% of what we do here is supposition/speculation, so why not try and figure it out?

 

My guess is that the list might look something like this:

1. Texas

2. Houston

3. Arizona

4. Atlanta

 

Base this on some of the usual stuff, but also that he is from the Southwest, and I believe he makes a second home in AZ.

 

That said, there's no way we are trading him to Houston for a plethora of reasons. TX would be a good fit, but we'd want Mench and another; who knows if they'd do it. AZ does not have anything particularly attractive. Atl. is a "no" for some obvious reasons.

 

Oh, and if he and Sarah want to stay in Chicago, trade him to the Sox. :wink:

[Peoriaman]

The Cubs have been looking to unload Wood and his contract all year. No takers. It would have to be a Sosa like deal and there is no reason for the Cubs to do this.

[Mad Ducks]

i never really wanted to get rid of wood. i always hope he would be healthy and reach his potential. i just don't know that the cubs can wait any longer, especially with 12 mil due next year. that is 12 mil that could really go a llooong way to filling some holes.

obviously he has very little trade value. no one will give up too much to pay that kind of money on a gamble! but i do think their are some temas that might take the risk of taking him on because of his potential.

my main thought is the new york yankees. money doesn't matter. they need pitching.they could take a gamble that wood could do something down the stretch(he did throw a couple good games before the inflamation) and come back next year. he is still potentially better than pavano,mussina,wright or wang. they also have a big contract pitcher in kevin brown, who is going to do very little BUT his contract is up this year while kerry has at least 1 more. we are pretty much done..in 2 weeks we probably will be for sure. trade wood for brown at the deadline. we pay off brown last 8 weeks of salary, get whatever he gives us for the last 2 months and be free of 12 mil in salary to sign another starter or help elsewhere. if by chance maddux was traded we would have 21 mil back to sign starters. prior and Z look to be back at full strength, williams can be a very servicable 4 or 5, sign a big time no.3(burnett?) and still have rusch or a youngin' to be no. 5.

we would have a very strong staff and still have serious cash left to sign an outfielder(or 2) and ss. especially when you add nomar and burnitz' salary to the mix(13mil)!

 

 

does anyone remember Schilling going through similar problems in the early to mid 90's? There were a couple of years were he had similar shoulder issues.....you don't trade Wood just to trade him.

 

edit, it was-

1995 Philadelphia NL 17 17 7 5 0 1 0 116.0 96 52 46 12 26 114 3.57

1994 Philadelphia NL 13 13 2 8 0 1 0 82.0 87 42 41 10 28 58 4.48

 

needless to say people thought he was cooked then.

[Backtobanks]

The Cubs have been looking to unload Wood and his contract all year. No takers. It would have to be a Sosa like deal and there is no reason for the Cubs to do this.

 

Once Wood gets healthy, the buyers would be lined up around the block. Look at the teams pursuing Burnett with his history of being on the DL. The only obstacle would be Wood's no-trade contract.

[PackLandVA]

That sarcasm is uncalled for. It doesn't take talking to them to infer that they want to stay in Chicago. The fact that Sarah is from the Chicago area, plus the fact that they bought a house in the area within the past couple of years, would tend to suggest that they want to stay in Chicago.

 

Not ot nitpick, but the fact that his wife is from Chicago doesn't infer anything other than she's from Chicago. I'm from the Chicago area and no longer live there, and haven't for years. And I really like the Chicago area.

 

As far as buying a house....that infers nothing either. People buy and sell houses all the time. And Kerry would be no different.

 

It's comical when everyone says that KW can't be traded because of his "no-trade" clause. Players with those clauses get traded all the time. It just means the players has to approve the trade. That's it and nothing more!

[Tracer Bullet]

 

Not ot nitpick, but the fact that his wife is from Chicago doesn't infer anything other than she's from Chicago. I'm from the Chicago area and no longer live there, and haven't for years. And I really like the Chicago area.

 

As far as buying a house....that infers nothing either. People buy and sell houses all the time. And Kerry would be no different.

 

It's comical when everyone says that KW can't be traded because of his "no-trade" clause. Players with those clauses get traded all the time. It just means the players has to approve the trade. That's it and nothing more!

 

I agree with all of this. I have no idea whether Kerry wants to stay in Chicago or not, but the fact that his wife is from Chicago and they built a house there doesn't really convince me that he does. As for the no-trade clause, I generally agree, but sometimes getting player approval is a very tough task (See Nevin, Phil).

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I understand those in the trade Wood camp that say that he would accept a trade because players with no-trade clauses are traded all the time.

 

On the other hand, there are numerous times the no-trade clause means exactly that...no trade.

 

For every Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling who were traded, there is a Rafael Palmeiro, Phil Nevin, Ryan Klesko,Matt Williams, Ken Griffey Jr. who has vetoed a trade or made it clear that pursuing such avenues would be pointless.

 

I've made some inferences based on his wife being from Chicago and their buying of a home there.

 

But the biggest reason I think Wood isn't going to be traded is two-fold. I don't think Wood has any interest in leaving and I don't think the Cubs have any interest in trading him. Other than rampant speculation, there has never been any real official trade rumors involving Wood. I think that is either the idea has never occured to the Cubs's brass or that they already know Wood's feelings on the matter and figure approaching him with such is pointless.