How Does Everyone Feel About Cliff Floyd These Days?

[HoopsCubs]

Let the Adam Dunn talk continue! It's probably the most popular subject right now, and many Cub fans are just lusting to see him in Cubbie blue. I see a lot of good reasons to get him, although, I'm nervous about the price we'd pay.

 

So, let's consider other players too. I'm not as high on Aubrey Huff as many of you are. I think he's too streaky, and plays horrible D. I suggested Rondell White, but many rightfully felt that he wouldn't be much of an improvement over Hollandsworth plus he'd be a rental, which we know Hendry is trying to avoid.

 

The guy I was championing early and still feel is the right fit is Cliff Floyd. I was convinced we were going to trade Sammy for him, but I was wrong there. I even thought there might be a shot at getting him earlier in the year (especially when the Mets visited town), but the timing was unrealistic.

 

But how about now? The Mets are not shopping him, but I'm sure he'd be available. Floyd is under contract in 2006 for $6.5M, which seems pretty reasonable for his production. He bats lefty, of course, which is always nice to insert between D-Lee and Rammy. Could he be the answer Hendry is seeking by July 31? Depending on where the Mets are in 2 weeks, might it be feasible to see Floyd and Looper packaged in a deal?

 

 

Hoops

[goonys evil twin]

I still like him. I'm not gaga, but would be happy if he became a Cub without giving up a whole lot. Looper and Floyd would be nice. What goes back? Mitre, Sing, Wellemeyer, Remlinger and Hollandsworth?

[rawaction]

I've alwasy liked Floyd. I still think if used correctly (only against RHs and other random days off), he could get thru a whole season and play 120 productive games. He is better than Huff, IMO.....but is a few years older. He has a good .100 career BB/PA. Wouldn't be the final answer to the OBP problems, but would be a pretty good complimentary player.

 

I would probably do Looper and Floyd for Williams, Sing, Nolasco, and maybe a guy like Fontenot.

[AAApittsburgh]

He's an injury waiting to happen and I don't see him as a long term solution either. If we're going to deal with the Mets, Hendry should look into getting Diaz.

[neely crenshaw]

williams and maybe mitre would certainly help the lets with pitching and payroll. it's not out of the question that they take corey and a pitcher for looper and floyd.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If the price is right, I'd take a long look at Floyd. I'd still like to see if Seattle would be willing to trade Ibanez.

[rawaction]

If the price is right, I'd take a long look at Floyd. I'd still like to see if Seattle would be willing to trade Ibanez.

 

Not me. I've never been an Ibanez fan. He's a better hitter for average than Floyd, but Cliff runs circles around him in the power department and is a more patient hitter. Ibanez is also a little older than Cliffy.

[ManCrushOnNomar]

I'd rather see Floyd than Dunn.

 

I'm not as high on Dunn as seemingly everone else here is. The fact that he's gone well over 100 ABs without a single sac fly scares the crap out of me. Stoney was just saying on the Score he went an entire season with something like 104 RBIs - none of which coming via sacrifice.

 

I really can't put my finger on it, but it seems like most possible trades for Dunn would end up nipping us in the butt somewhere down the road (like September).

 

I'm still on the Aubrey Huff kick. I'd gladly ship Patterson, Mitre, and Fontenot for Huff and Baez. Before the flames commence: I'm not a huge Baez supporter, but he'd be a decent addition to the backend of our pen.

[katway]

I like Floyd (though he has always been injury plagued), but the Mets think they have as much chance as anyone else to get the wildcard or win the division so I don't think they would trade him right now. Hendry also indicated if they acquire anyone it will be a long-term player type and not rental players, so I also don't see Floyd coming here for that reason.

[rawaction]

I like Floyd (though he has always been injury plagued), but the Mets think they have as much chance as anyone else to get the wildcard or win the division so I don't think they would trade him right now. Hendry also indicated if they acquire anyone it will be a long-term player type and not rental players, so I also don't see Floyd coming here for that reason.

 

Floyd is under contract for 2006. Huff and Dunn are only under contract thru 2006 also, I believe. Of course, Floyd is older, thus much less likely to be re-signed than the other two (if traded for). But it's still not a complete rental.

[WindyCity]

Have the Mets given up on the division or Wild Card races?

 

Unless they've got another deal lined up for a productive outfielder, I can't see them dealing Floyd until closer to the deadline if at all.

[Brian]

I'm not as high on Dunn as seemingly everone else here is. The fact that he's gone well over 100 ABs without a single sac fly scares the crap out of me. Stoney was just saying on the Score he went an entire season with something like 104 RBIs - none of which coming via sacrifice.

 

104 RBI is still 104 RBI, which by my count is pretty good....

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd rather see Floyd than Dunn.

 

I'm not as high on Dunn as seemingly everone else here is. The fact that he's gone well over 100 ABs without a single sac fly scares the crap out of me. Stoney was just saying on the Score he went an entire season with something like 104 RBIs - none of which coming via sacrifice.

 

I really can't put my finger on it, but it seems like most possible trades for Dunn would end up nipping us in the butt somewhere down the road (like September).

 

I'm still on the Aubrey Huff kick. I'd gladly ship Patterson, Mitre, and Fontenot for Huff and Baez. Before the flames commence: I'm not a huge Baez supporter, but he'd be a decent addition to the backend of our pen.

 

A 25 yr old with a career 899 OPS > 32 yr old with a 857 career OPS.

 

This season, Floyd has an 891 OPS which is good, while Dunn has a 929 OPS which is phenomenal. Considering the ages and performance of the two, there is no way I choose Floyd over Dunn. He's a nice consolation prize if you can't pull the trigger on a deal for Dunn.

[UK1679666180]

I'd take Dunn over Floyd, just b/c besides the fact that Dunn will be more productive during the selected timeframe, but Dunn has the potential to be a long-term acquisition w/out having to worry about an age related decline, unlike someone like Floyd for the next 3-4 years.

 

Will the Cubs inquire about Dunn? I hope so.

 

I'm not sure the Mets have given up this year, trading Floyd would likely indicate a selling for next year.

 

I wouldn't mind seeing Ibanez, I'd try to get Guardado as well.

[hawkeyecub]

A 25 yr old with a career 899 OPS > 32 yr old with a 857 career OPS.

 

This season, Floyd has an 891 OPS which is good, while Dunn has a 929 OPS which is phenomenal. Considering the ages and performance of the two, there is no way I choose Floyd over Dunn. He's a nice consolation prize if you can't pull the trigger on a deal for Dunn.

 

I would hardly consider a .038 gap in OPS the difference between good and phenomenal. That difference could be closed in a week.

For reference, Michael Barrett's OPS dropped .038 points over the course of 8 starts (June 24-July 4) and was then raised back up .026 points in his next 5 games.

 

Long term, Dunn is the much better option. But there really hasn't been a big difference overall this year and if they stayed at the same rate, I don't think the impact on the team would be significantly different this year.

Since '99 Floyd has posted OPS' of .897, .907, .968, .951, .894, .814, and now .891 this year. As you can see he's been near or above .900 every season in the last 7 years. The problem of course is keeping him healthy.

 

Dunn is younger and has the higher ceiling. Floyd would come cheaper (maybe quite a bit cheaper) and would cost less next year. If the price for Dunn is too high, Cliff could be a good option.

Next year he would be in a contract year, perhaps playing for his last fairly big contract.

[Derwood]

I think all options should be considered. Huff or Dunn seem more likely simply because of their respective teams combined suckitude, but you also never know with those two GMs. The Mets would have to go on a serious slide here the next 2 weeks to start selling.

[CubfaninCA]

I'd like to have him but.... Since NY's in the wild card race and needs more offense, it would probably take quite a bit to pickup Floyd..

With LA falling off the face of the earth, the Cubs chances of getting Dunn are getting better.

[frostwyrm]

Huff has cooled down again. He hit a homer today but he came into the game in a 2-23 slump and his season numbers are still terrible. Huff may get his act together next season but if we want someone who can help this year I don't think Huff is it.

[cubs22]

In my opinion I would feel better about trading out talent to Tampa Bay. I would love to see Huff in a Cubs uniform and help our team out. He might not help this year but it would solve our outfield problems for a couple years to come. I just dont want to see our young talent traded to teams like cincy and to the mets, where they could come back and haunt us one day. By trading them to Tampa Bay they will never have the chance to beat our Cubbies unless its in the Series, but they have a long way before they make it there.

[Jazz]

I agree with 22 in that I dont want to see our young talent dispersed in the national league, but rather to the american. Huff's value is at an all time low, but he draws some comparisons to barrett in ramirez, in that a change of scenery could help. This really is his worse year in his career, and IMO it is playing in Tampa, knowing that there is little to no chance of winning a playoff berth.

IMO, this is the best deal the cubs can make at the deadline, push for baez in the deal as well to help the pen. A package of Dubois, Mitre, and another pitching prospect should get the deal done since both baez and huff are at/near the end of their contracts respectively and the rays cant afford to keep them both, and baez' 06 option wont be excercised anyway so there is no holding this deal back, other than a few prospect discussions, and Hendry's willingness to make this deal.

I also think that Huff will be perform 150% better than he has ever performed in TB at the minimum. Huff usually performs better after the all star break posting a .327/.378/.566 line in the last 3 years

Make it happen Jim

[HoopsCubs]

I agree with 22 in that I dont want to see our young talent dispersed in the national league, but rather to the american. Huff's value is at an all time low, but he draws some comparisons to barrett in ramirez, in that a change of scenery could help. This really is his worse year in his career, and IMO it is playing in Tampa, knowing that there is little to no chance of winning a playoff berth.

IMO, this is the best deal the cubs can make at the deadline, push for baez in the deal as well to help the pen. A package of Dubois, Mitre, and another pitching prospect should get the deal done since both baez and huff are at/near the end of their contracts respectively and the rays cant afford to keep them both, and baez' 06 option wont be excercised anyway so there is no holding this deal back, other than a few prospect discussions, and Hendry's willingness to make this deal.

I also think that Huff will be perform 150% better than he has ever performed in TB at the minimum. Huff usually performs better after the all star break posting a .327/.378/.566 line in the last 3 years

Make it happen Jim

 

Truth be told, Barrett hasn't been that good.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Truth be told, Barrett hasn't been that good.

 

While Barrett is at a .775 OPS, that's 2nd best for NL catchers, only a couple points behind LaRue. Last year was the exact same, with Estrada in front of him. So when compared to other positions like corner infielders and outfielders, Barrett is nothing special. But we'd be hard pressed to find a better offensive catcher.

[Illini Iceman]

I agree with 22 in that I dont want to see our young talent dispersed in the national league, but rather to the american. Huff's value is at an all time low, but he draws some comparisons to barrett in ramirez, in that a change of scenery could help. This really is his worse year in his career, and IMO it is playing in Tampa, knowing that there is little to no chance of winning a playoff berth.

IMO, this is the best deal the cubs can make at the deadline, push for baez in the deal as well to help the pen. A package of Dubois, Mitre, and another pitching prospect should get the deal done since both baez and huff are at/near the end of their contracts respectively and the rays cant afford to keep them both, and baez' 06 option wont be excercised anyway so there is no holding this deal back, other than a few prospect discussions, and Hendry's willingness to make this deal.

I also think that Huff will be perform 150% better than he has ever performed in TB at the minimum. Huff usually performs better after the all star break posting a .327/.378/.566 line in the last 3 years

Make it happen Jim

 

Lamar supposedly offered Baez for Zambrano :shock: earlier this year so there is no way he does a deal for Dunn AND Baez for the package you mentioned.

The Cubs are going to have to give him way over value (e.g. - Dope, Wellemeyer and Hill) for Huff since he has another year on his deal at a relatively reasonable salary. It would not be worth it, especially when you consider his Alou like defensive abilities. Huff is best suited to be a DH or a mediocre defensive 1B.

[Hacking Out Machine]

I'd rather see Floyd than Dunn.

 

I'm not as high on Dunn as seemingly everone else here is. The fact that he's gone well over 100 ABs without a single sac fly scares the crap out of me. Stoney was just saying on the Score he went an entire season with something like 104 RBIs - none of which coming via sacrifice.

 

I really can't put my finger on it, but it seems like most possible trades for Dunn would end up nipping us in the butt somewhere down the road (like September).

 

I'm still on the Aubrey Huff kick. I'd gladly ship Patterson, Mitre, and Fontenot for Huff and Baez. Before the flames commence: I'm not a huge Baez supporter, but he'd be a decent addition to the backend of our pen.

 

I've gotta be honest. No offense, but I can't believe some of the things some of us are finding as important. He doesn't have enough sac flies? Well, Aramis Ramirez has none so far this year. Does that scare us to death?

On a Reds radio braodcast, Marty Brenneman mentioned that stat, but said someone in the Reds organization did some research and found that Dunn had 9 homers in those at bats, which is actually as good as 18 sac flies. I'm guessing that would pretty much lead the league. If you don't want Adam Dunn because his power and patience hinders him from making "productive outs" then I think you are outsmarting yourself.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'd rather see Floyd than Dunn.

 

I'm not as high on Dunn as seemingly everone else here is. The fact that he's gone well over 100 ABs without a single sac fly scares the crap out of me. Stoney was just saying on the Score he went an entire season with something like 104 RBIs - none of which coming via sacrifice.

 

I really can't put my finger on it, but it seems like most possible trades for Dunn would end up nipping us in the butt somewhere down the road (like September).

 

I'm still on the Aubrey Huff kick. I'd gladly ship Patterson, Mitre, and Fontenot for Huff and Baez. Before the flames commence: I'm not a huge Baez supporter, but he'd be a decent addition to the backend of our pen.

 

I've gotta be honest. No offense, but I can't believe some of the things some of us are finding as important. He doesn't have enough sac flies? Well, Aramis Ramirez has none so far this year. Does that scare us to death?

On a Reds radio braodcast, Marty Brenneman mentioned that stat, but said someone in the Reds organization did some research and found that Dunn had 9 homers in those at bats, which is actually as good as 18 sac flies. I'm guessing that would pretty much lead the league. If you don't want Adam Dunn because his power and patience hinders him from making "productive outs" then I think you are outsmarting yourself.

 

This needs to be posted every time Dunn's name is brought up. Well said.