7/3 Cubs (Zambrano) vs. Nationals (Drese) 1:20 PM, WGN

[Chris]

great, now Guillen can hit a 2 run homer instead of a solo shot...

 

:-$

[illiniguy]

From Derrek Lee's bio page on MLB.com... anything stand out?

 

Multimedia:

 

Lee launches a solo shot

Lee collects three hits: 56K | 350K

Lee Solo Homer: 56K | 350K

Lee's solo home run

Lee's solo homer: 56K | 350K

yeah damn lee only comes through when no one is on :lol:

[Chris]

Yikes, let's not advance a runner on the throwback to the pitcher

[Flames24Rulz]

maybe Kasper was right...Guillen strikes out with a runner on.

[Mizzou]

Z did a good job of making Guillen look completely stupid on strike three!

[Soul]

Yeah, but "booing is terrible"??? What's that supposed to mean? Booing is booing.

 

That's like saying Mt. Everest is terrible. No it's not. It just exists. Booing isn't terrible. It's just what fans do.

 

Unless we're saying the booing is *causing* Patterson to stink. In which case he's got bigger problems than the fans anyway.

What fans do? I'd like to hear how booing a player for taking what should be ball 4 is what good fans do.

 

It's what some fans do when they perceive a player isn't giving 100%. They paid their cash for seats, they're entitled to boo any time they want. Maybe some fans are booing stupidly. But that's not what you said. You said "booing is terrible." That's not selective. That's painting with a broad brush.

 

I'd like to hear how you come to the conclusion that all booing is terrible.

[illiniguy]

and now a 2 out hit scores him. :roll:

[marc_foust]

Anyone know why nick johnson isnt starting?

[Chris]

Yikes, let's not advance a runner on the throwback to the pitcher

 

Or the pickoff attempt...

[CaliforniaRaisin]

We cheer when they do well, why can't we do the opposite when they do the opposite?

 

Go Cubs

 

What's the point? Corey knows he's not doing well, he's obviously trying hard to break out of it. Booing him only hurts him, doesn't help him improve, and doesn't help his trade value if you want to get rid of him. You're not always going to get David Aardsma and Jerome Williams for a slumping player you boo out of town.

 

And it's selective booing, where the heck is the booing for Neifi and others who have struggled at times just as badly as Corey.

 

Huh? We just got Williams for Hawkins who was booed out of town! You're suggesting that GMs listen to the booes and use it as an evaluation tool. Surely you aren't serious.

 

I'm saying booing a guy out of town will not always net us good trades. I'm saying you're decreasing his trade value as you continue to boo him. Heck, look at what happened yesterday. Everyone booed him for striking out looking at what most (besides the ump) thought was ball 4. Corey made a game-saving double play on defense, came up in his next AB, got a standing-o, struck out looking on a questionable pitch and was booed. This is no environment for Corey to break out of his slump, all the while, his trade value continues to go down. This is Corey Patterson we're talking about here, not Todd Hundley.

 

Sometimes, the fans boo a guy out of town and the Cubs get a wonderful trade. Other times, the Cubs have to pay $17M to have him leave. And get Jerry Hairston, Mike Fontenot and a guy who retired.

[Mizzou]

I wish Vinny Castilla would retire.

[Flames24Rulz]

I wish Vinny Castilla would retire.

 

the guy seems like hes 45. Cmon Z get him to chase one here.

[illiniguy]

I wish Vinny Castilla would retire.

not gonna happen when people keep paying him big bucks

[Flames24Rulz]

and another first inning 2 out run for the Nats...unreal.

[Mizzou]

Whoa... for a brief second I thought Williams was Lenny Harris.

 

Damnit. Again... I wish Vinny Castilla would retire.

[illiniguy]

why not pitch around the freaking guy who does this to us no matter what uniform he is wearing?

[Chris]

If fans are going to boo, they at least should know something about statistics. The same people that boo CPatt are the same people buying Neifi Perez rookie cards.

 

Ugh, 1-0

[Soul]

We cheer when they do well, why can't we do the opposite when they do the opposite?

 

Go Cubs

 

What's the point? Corey knows he's not doing well, he's obviously trying hard to break out of it. Booing him only hurts him, doesn't help him improve, and doesn't help his trade value if you want to get rid of him. You're not always going to get David Aardsma and Jerome Williams for a slumping player you boo out of town.

 

And it's selective booing, where the heck is the booing for Neifi and others who have struggled at times just as badly as Corey.

 

Huh? We just got Williams for Hawkins who was booed out of town! You're suggesting that GMs listen to the booes and use it as an evaluation tool. Surely you aren't serious.

 

I'm saying booing a guy out of town will not always net us good trades. I'm saying you're decreasing his trade value as you continue to boo him. Heck, look at what happened yesterday. Everyone booed him for striking out looking at what most (besides the ump) thought was ball 4. Corey made a game-saving double play on defense, came up in his next AB, got a standing-o, struck out looking on a questionable pitch and was booed. This is no environment for Corey to break out of his slump, all the while, his trade value continues to go down. This is Corey Patterson we're talking about here, not Todd Hundley.

 

Sometimes, the fans boo a guy out of town and the Cubs get a wonderful trade. Other times, the Cubs have to pay $17M to have him leave. And get Jerry Hairston, Mike Fontenot and a guy who retired.

 

I'm not sure if you realize it, but you basically just said Corey Patterson is too fragile mentally to be a solid starter in this league.

 

And isn't that the point? Can he handle the pressure or not? Because if he can't, then he can't be our starting center fielder.

[Jon]

Putting Burnitz ahead of Ramirez does split up your right handed hitters. Burnitz over the last month is hitting 0.305 / 0.381 / 0.524 / 0.905. Putting him in the fourth sport is eminently reasonable, i.e. able to be reasoned. Now, you can argue the wisdom or the value of that decision, but to say that there is no reason belies your education and powers of logic.

What does my education care? I just don't want Burnitz hitting cleanup and protecting Lee and don't care much about splitting up the righties. At least not enough to have Burnitz batting 4th instead of 5th.

 

Carlos is slider happy again today and doesn't have his good 2-seamer yet.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Yeah, but "booing is terrible"??? What's that supposed to mean? Booing is booing.

 

That's like saying Mt. Everest is terrible. No it's not. It just exists. Booing isn't terrible. It's just what fans do.

 

Unless we're saying the booing is *causing* Patterson to stink. In which case he's got bigger problems than the fans anyway.

What fans do? I'd like to hear how booing a player for taking what should be ball 4 is what good fans do.

 

It's what some fans do when they perceive a player isn't giving 100%. They paid their cash for seats, they're entitled to boo any time they want. Maybe some fans are booing stupidly. But that's not what you said. You said "booing is terrible." That's not selective. That's painting with a broad brush.

 

I'd like to hear how you come to the conclusion that all booing is terrible.

 

But they're booing Corey's performance, not that he's not trying 100%. Because it would be even more stupid if they were booing him for that, since he's one of the hardest workers on the team. I have no problem booing someone who's not trying.

 

I think we should probably drop the subject since the game started, but I want the irony noted that a guy with Stephen A. Smith as his avatar doesn't like booing. :)

[illiniguy]

Yeah, but "booing is terrible"??? What's that supposed to mean? Booing is booing.

 

That's like saying Mt. Everest is terrible. No it's not. It just exists. Booing isn't terrible. It's just what fans do.

 

Unless we're saying the booing is *causing* Patterson to stink. In which case he's got bigger problems than the fans anyway.

What fans do? I'd like to hear how booing a player for taking what should be ball 4 is what good fans do.

 

It's what some fans do when they perceive a player isn't giving 100%. They paid their cash for seats, they're entitled to boo any time they want. Maybe some fans are booing stupidly. But that's not what you said. You said "booing is terrible." That's not selective. That's painting with a broad brush.

 

I'd like to hear how you come to the conclusion that all booing is terrible.

 

But they're booing Corey's performance, not that he's not trying 100%. Because it would be even more stupid if they were booing him for that, since he's one of the hardest workers on the team. I have no problem booing someone who's not trying.

 

I think we should probably drop the subject since the game started, but I want the irony noted that a guy with Stephen A. Smith as his avatar doesn't like booing. :)

I think it is funny a guy with him in his avatar is actually intelligent

[Flames24Rulz]

finally got out of the inning. Close to 30 pitches thrown after only 1 inning for Z.

[Mizzou]

Man, that was one long inning! How many pitches did Z throw?

[Fred Hornkohl]

TOP OF THE FIRST INNING

 

Wilkerson flied out to left field

Spivey walked

Guillen struck out swinging

Spivey took second on an errant pickoff throw, E1

Castilla lined a double to right center field, Spivey scored

Byrd struck out swinging

 

1 runs, 1 hits, 1 errors, 1 men left on base

 

           1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9    R H E
Washington 1                    1 1 0 
CUBS       .                    0 0 1 

 

pitcher     IP  H  R ER BB  K HR PIT
Zambrano   1.0  1  1  0  1  2  0  27

[Soul]

If fans are going to boo, they at least should know something about statistics. The same people that boo CPatt are the same people buying Neifi Perez rookie cards.

 

Ugh, 1-0

 

OK. Then let's give everyone a current events test as they come through the turnstyles at Wrigley. You don't know the latest stats? Out-ski!!!

 

Some fans are stupid. So what. You wanna be successful in the big leagues? Learn to overcome it. That's the whole point here. We're covering for CPatt's fragile psyche (it seems). If it needs covering (which I'm not sure of yet), then maybe he's not our guy.