Winter Meetings Thread

[Neuby]

3 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

True. But what happened to spots 2 and 3? Why, if he wasn’t the top guy does he have to be the low guy? 

He was universally fourth. The Cubs offered more money to both Turner and Correa.  

[JBears79]

32 minutes ago, thawv said:

He was most certainly the best long-term choice for the cost.  But Jed signed him because he was the cheapest, and not because he thought he was the best option.  He was the cheapest option.  It just worked out for the Cubs. 

Sure, I agree with that. Just saying his strategy seems to have been the right one in regards to that SS class.

[Bertz]

I really do not care to get into all this Hoyer stuff today but slamming the guy for choosing the "4th option" and then simultaneously not giving him credit for how well that has turned out is pretty intellectually dishonest. 

You can be mad at the team for not spending more and you can be mad at the team when their spending blows up, but "you must both sign the most expensive guy AND it must work out great" is horsefeathing dumb.

[Neuby]

I was wrong about Fairbanks and the Mets , they just signed Luke Weaver instead.

[ILMindState]

4 minutes ago, Bertz said:

I really do not care to get into all this Hoyer stuff today but slamming the guy for choosing the "4th option" and then simultaneously not giving him credit for how well that has turned out is pretty intellectually dishonest. 

You can be mad at the team for not spending more and you can be mad at the team when their spending blows up, but "you must both sign the most expensive guy AND it must work out great" is horsefeathing dumb.

Some people think signing people the fastest and to the most money wins you the off season. I would love to play poker with a lot of people on this board.

[Jason Ross]

24 minutes ago, Neuby said:

There isn't a GM in baseball who would rank Swanson the 1 target at shortstop going into that offseason. 

In a vacuum, you're probably correct. But we don't live in a vacuum. Budgets, injuries, aging all are factors.

I'll admit, I would have ranked Swanson fourth, and I'd have been wrong. We don't exactly know the processes by which the Cubs signed Swanson. Two things can be true at the same time, however; that the Cubs liked Swanson and he ended up being the cheapest but it also doesn't mean the Cubs liked Swanson, as many like to insensate, simply because he was the cheapest.  There are plenty of other factors and we need to stop pretending we are in Hoyer's head here.

[Hortonhearsawho]

So basically it's Fairbanks or garbage huh.

[Bertz]

Just now, Hortonhearsawho said:

So basically it's Fairbanks or garbage huh.

Garbage is stronger than I'd put it, but yeah Fairbanks is the last no-doubt closer.  Hunter Harvey is really really good too but his medicals are a nightmare.

[Derwood]

Jed's entire approach to the off season:

 

[Neuby]

 

Just now, Jason Ross said:

In a vacuum, you're probably correct. But we don't live in a vacuum. Budgets, injuries, aging all are factors.

I'll admit, I would have ranked Swanson fourth, and I'd have been wrong. We don't exactly know the processes by which the Cubs signed Swanson. Two things can be true at the same time, however; that the Cubs liked Swanson and he ended up being the cheapest but it also doesn't mean the Cubs liked Swanson, as many like to insensate, simply because he was the cheapest.  There are plenty of other factors and we need to stop pretending we are in Hoyer's head here.

I'm specifically referring to him being fourth only in terms of Jed landing free agent targets that offseason. He was a clear fourth choice league wide. The Cubs made a higher offer to Turner and Correa that offseason. It's great Hoyer and the rest of the league were wrong about Turners and Correa's ability to stay healthy. Wasn't arguing it hasn't worked out for the Cubs despite them  not spending enough to bag Turner at the time.

 

[Jason Ross]

Just now, Neuby said:

 

I'm specifically referring to him being fourth only in terms of Jed landing free agent targets that offseason. He was a clear fourth choice league wide. The Cubs made a higher offer to Turner and Correa that offseason. It's great Hoyer and the rest of the league were wrong about Turners and Correa's ability to stay healthy. Wasn't arguing it hasn't worked out for the Cubs despite them  not spending enough to bag Turner at the time.

 

Unless I'm missing something, the reports on the Cubs and Correa is that the Cubs never made a formal offer to Correa. Where are you getting this? I don't think this is true. 

 

[Outshined_One]

Considering the Winter Meetings ended awhile ago, I'm going to lock this thread and start a new one for discussions.