Rosenthal mentions Dunn as possibility for Cubs

[JC]

Unless Cincy has 40 man room, you can't just think that they would be able to take on 3, 4 or 5 players for one.

Oh, okay. We'll take Freel back, too, if we have to in order for them to clear space.

 

Uh oh, someone wake up UK. He's likely fainted.

[UK1679666180]

You rang?

 

 

Dunn, Freel, and a WS. :)

[BigbadB]

With Adam Dunn in the Cubs line up, the Cubs offense becomes one of the most dangerous in baseball, period.

 

Sergio Mitre was built to be a starting pitcher in a hitter's paradise. He throws ground balls. That has to be very appealing to the Reds. Jerome Williams is another quality arm that has seen the major leagues already.

 

Basically, you have two ready made arms for the big league club that may or may not ever have room to fit into the Cubs rotation. If you add Wellemeyer to the trade, Cincinnati could be filling in 3/5 of their rotation for a player that they will eventually lose for next to nothing anyway.

 

I think the only team that could even consider competing with the Cubs for Adam Dunn would be Los Angeles. They have a lot of quality arms that are close to major league ready.

 

Make this trade and the Cubs easily take the wild card, and potentially give themselves a huge advantage to win the World Series, barring further injuries.

 

I would do that trade without blinking an eye.

[USSoccer]

With Adam Dunn in the Cubs line up, the Cubs offense becomes one of the most dangerous in baseball, period.

 

Sergio Mitre was built to be a starting pitcher in a hitter's paradise. He throws ground balls. That has to be very appealing to the Reds. Jerome Williams is another quality arm that has seen the major leagues already.

 

Basically, you have two ready made arms for the big league club that may or may not ever have room to fit into the Cubs rotation. If you add Wellemeyer to the trade, Cincinnati could be filling in 3/5 of their rotation for a player that they will eventually lose for next to nothing anyway.

 

I think the only team that could even consider competing with the Cubs for Adam Dunn would be Los Angeles. They have a lot of quality arms that are close to major league ready.

 

Make this trade and the Cubs easily take the wild card, and potentially give themselves a huge advantage to win the World Series, barring further injuries.

 

I would do that trade without blinking an eye.

 

I just don't think the Reds would deal him in the division unless they are convinced that Mitre and Williams would make them competitive.

 

Can you imagine selling that trade to the fans in Cincinatti? Trading your most valuable commodity to a divisional foe for two less-than-exciting pitchers and a middle reliever? That's part of what makes trading for Dunn so hard-we can't give them an impact "name".

[jtownie]

With Adam Dunn in the Cubs line up, the Cubs offense becomes one of the most dangerous in baseball, period.

 

Sergio Mitre was built to be a starting pitcher in a hitter's paradise. He throws ground balls. That has to be very appealing to the Reds. Jerome Williams is another quality arm that has seen the major leagues already.

 

Basically, you have two ready made arms for the big league club that may or may not ever have room to fit into the Cubs rotation. If you add Wellemeyer to the trade, Cincinnati could be filling in 3/5 of their rotation for a player that they will eventually lose for next to nothing anyway.

 

I think the only team that could even consider competing with the Cubs for Adam Dunn would be Los Angeles. They have a lot of quality arms that are close to major league ready.

 

Make this trade and the Cubs easily take the wild card, and potentially give themselves a huge advantage to win the World Series, barring further injuries.

 

I would do that trade without blinking an eye.

 

I just don't think the Reds would deal him in the division unless they are convinced that Mitre and Williams would make them competitive.

 

Can you imagine selling that trade to the fans in Cincinatti? Trading your most valuable commodity to a divisional foe for two less-than-exciting pitchers and a middle reliever? That's part of what makes trading for Dunn so hard-we can't give them an impact "name".

 

Are Reds fans enamored with Dunn as much as we are? Just curious because I totally see your point and agree but just curious as to how much of an uproar there would be.

[BigbadB]

With Adam Dunn in the Cubs line up, the Cubs offense becomes one of the most dangerous in baseball, period.

 

Sergio Mitre was built to be a starting pitcher in a hitter's paradise. He throws ground balls. That has to be very appealing to the Reds. Jerome Williams is another quality arm that has seen the major leagues already.

 

Basically, you have two ready made arms for the big league club that may or may not ever have room to fit into the Cubs rotation. If you add Wellemeyer to the trade, Cincinnati could be filling in 3/5 of their rotation for a player that they will eventually lose for next to nothing anyway.

 

I think the only team that could even consider competing with the Cubs for Adam Dunn would be Los Angeles. They have a lot of quality arms that are close to major league ready.

 

Make this trade and the Cubs easily take the wild card, and potentially give themselves a huge advantage to win the World Series, barring further injuries.

 

I would do that trade without blinking an eye.

 

I just don't think the Reds would deal him in the division unless they are convinced that Mitre and Williams would make them competitive.

 

Can you imagine selling that trade to the fans in Cincinatti? Trading your most valuable commodity to a divisional foe for two less-than-exciting pitchers and a middle reliever? That's part of what makes trading for Dunn so hard-we can't give them an impact "name".

 

What makes you think that this trade wouldn't make them competitive? Cincinnati doesn't have problems scoring runs. They are way ahead of us in that department. They are 2nd in the NL in scoring runs. Where they are completely lacking is in the pitching department. They are dead last in pitching in the NL, and only trail Tampa in all of baseball. That makes them worse than Colorado. Think about that.

 

To trade Dunn still gives them Griffey, Pena, Kearns and Freel, which is a very adequate offensive outfield. Losing Dunn, but gaining 3 arms that they can immediately put in their rotation or bullpen only makes their biggest weakness stronger. It's probably too late for them to do any damage this year given their current standing, but there is no no reason for them to start building on next year. Will they be able to attract quality pitching via free agency this offseason? Doubtful. After watching the guys they signed via free agency this year implode, what would it take for them to lure someone to Cincinnati.

 

Their best chance to grab some quality arms for their rotation will come from trading off talent. Honestly, what team is so deep in pitching that they could afford to trade off their best pitching prospects for Adam Dunn?

 

Most teams wouldn't trade their quality pitching prospects because they know they will eventually need those guys to fill out their own rotations. Granted, there may be a team or two that could make an offer that compares to the Cubs offer, but the Cubs could add even more prospects to make it even more appealing to the Reds.

 

Yes, to trade within the division doesn't make a whole lot of sense to Cincinnati. But, do you take less from a non division rival simply because they are a non division rival? I think you make the best deal possible regardless of what division the team plays in. If they traded Dunn to LA, LA could beat out Cincy for a wild card spot someday. The wild card allows you to trade to a team within your division a little easier, because the wild card allows two teams within the division to possibly make the playoffs. They would make the Cubs a stronger team, but I think Cincy ends up being a stronger team with the balance of quality hitting and pitching, rather than the dominating offense and extremely weak pitching they currently have.

 

Cincy could also see that trading a player like Dunn to Chicago gives Chicago a whole new problem to deal with. And that is how to afford to keep all that talent that currently resides on the roster. Dunn could leave via free agency and Cincy would still have 3 young pitchers in their rotation.

 

The question really is how much Cincy will want in return from Chicago. If I'm Cincy, I want pitching, pitching and more pitching. I want sinker ballers and more sinker ballers to counteract the offensive explosion that Cincinnati's ballpark provides. If I'm Chicago, I decide just how much an impact bat like Dunn's would be worth. Will it take Mitre, Williams and Welly, or will it take Mitre, Williams and Hill? Could we offer up Jerry Hairston along with the prospects to get Freel added to the deal?

 

If I'm Hendry, this is the one deal I'm focusing all of my attention on, because a middle of the order that featured Lee, Dunn and Ramirez could be an extremely powerful middle of the order for a very long time.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Would anyone do a Dunn for Zambrano trade? .

 

Initially, my response is a resounding NO! But the more I think about it, I might would do a Zambrano for a package that includes Dunn.

 

If I could send Zambrano and Fontenot to the Reds for Dunn, Freel, and Homer Bailey, I would have to really consider that deal.

 

Just simply Zambrano for Dunn, no.

 

On the other hand, I would be willing to send a package of four or five prospects to get him.

[JC]

Zambrano goes nowhere unless the conversation includes the names ARod or Guerrero in return.

[ZZ Thorn]

Would anyone do a Dunn for Zambrano trade? .

 

Initially, my response is a resounding NO! But the more I think about it, I might would do a Zambrano for a package that includes Dunn.

 

If I could send Zambrano and Fontenot to the Reds for Dunn, Freel, and Homer Bailey, I would have to really consider that deal.

 

Just simply Zambrano for Dunn, no.

 

On the other hand, I would be willing to send a package of four or five prospects to get him.

 

Step away from the Rocket Sauce.

[rocket]

Would anyone do a Dunn for Zambrano trade? .

 

Initially, my response is a resounding NO! But the more I think about it, I might would do a Zambrano for a package that includes Dunn.

 

If I could send Zambrano and Fontenot to the Reds for Dunn, Freel, and Homer Bailey, I would have to really consider that deal.

 

Just simply Zambrano for Dunn, no.

 

On the other hand, I would be willing to send a package of four or five prospects to get him.

 

Step away from the Rocket Sauce.

 

Hahahahaha.

 

[shocking admission]I wouldn't do a Z for Dunn swap either.[/shocking admission]

[biittner77]

Zambrano goes nowhere unless the conversation includes the names ARod or Guerrero in return.

 

What about Miguel Cabrera?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Dunn is the holy grail of trade targets. Prior, Z, Lee, Ramirez, and possibly Wood and/or Barrett, those are the only guys you don't consider trading to get Dunn. It's lunacy that they'd even consider trading him.

[Elrhino]

Dunn is anything but a "big, fat slug". He was one of the top football recruits in the state of Texas coming out of high school. He had a full ride football scholie with the University of Texas before deciding to go with pro baseball. He had scholarship offers from every big name football program in the country.

 

As to who Dunn resembles offensively, that's easy ... Jim Thome. Jim Thome holds the AL record for strikeouts in a season, but he also has a career .400 OBP. Thome hit .977 OPS last year at the age of 33.

[BigbadB]

Dunn is anything but a "big, fat slug". He was one of the top football recruits in the state of Texas coming out of high school. He had a full ride football scholie with the University of Texas before deciding to go with pro baseball. He had scholarship offers from every big name football program in the country.

 

As to who Dunn resembles offensively, that's easy ... Jim Thome. Jim Thome holds the AL record for strikeouts in a season, but he also has a career .400 OBP. Thome hit .977 OPS last year at the age of 33.

 

Didn't the Cubs set a strikeout record for a season (as a team) in 2003 when they made the playoffs?

 

I'm not worried about Dunn's strike out totals. The production you get from him when he puts the bat on the ball is worth the trade off.

[Diffusion]

When you're talking about Adam Dunn, for all his ability you have to consider a few things...

 

1) He's getting expensive, very expensive, even if he's worth every cent.

2) He wants out of Cincinnati and is not going to stay with them beyond free agency.

 

That means the Reds are looking not at a real impact player for the next decade, but at a real impact player just for the next two and a half years. That makes a difference.

 

And the longer the Reds wait before they trade Dunn (and they will), the more his value declines as he gets more expensive and closer to free agency. The only way Dunn can reserve that decline in value is if he improves continually as a player, and that for Dunn has to be an average-driven improvement (ie. less strikeouts). And the Reds seem to have pretty serious reservations about Dunn's lack of contact.

 

The Reds have to be considering their current position, which is they have no pitching, and that, Adam Dunn or not, that's not going to change in a hurry, and until it does change, their team is not going to be competitive. If they consider at that, and they look at Dunn's ever declining value, I think the logical conclusion for them to come to is that trading Dunn for pitching before the trading deadline next year at the latest (if not this year), is the right way for them to go.

 

Now, if I were the Reds, I'd be holding out for an awful lot of pitching. Firstly, I'd be asking for starting pitching. Forget Wellemeyer then, he's not even that good. Personally, if I'm the Reds, I'd be asking for Sergio Mitre, Jerome Williams AND Angel Guzman from any other team, but trading within the division, I'd want another really good pitching prospect too, perhaps one from deeper in the system, Petrick say. And I think that'd be an extremely tough deal for the Cubs to pull the trigger on.

 

Then again, I'm not the Reds. And if Ken Rosenthal is right, which would pretty much be a first, and they're willing to trade Dunn for a package in which the biggest pieces are Mitre and Wellemeyer, oh boy, that franchise deserves to be contracted.

[Backtobanks]

I still say that I'd love to have Dunn in the Cubs' lineup, but offering half of our farm system for him is ridiculous.

[JC]

As far as the big, fat, slug analogy goes, while I wouldn't go that far, he seems to have gained some weight. Thought they aren't terribly restrictive, I do have some mobility concerns with Dunn.

[Knightlife_in_Lubbock]

Dunn is anything but a "big, fat slug". He was one of the top football recruits in the state of Texas coming out of high school. He had a full ride football scholie with the University of Texas before deciding to go with pro baseball. He had scholarship offers from every big name football program in the country.

 

As to who Dunn resembles offensively, that's easy ... Jim Thome. Jim Thome holds the AL record for strikeouts in a season, but he also has a career .400 OBP. Thome hit .977 OPS last year at the age of 33.

 

Yeah he's not doing anything near that this year just ask my fantasy team.

[Elrhino]

Dunn ran a sub 4.5 40 yard dash at UT. One of the reasons he decided to forgo football and persue baseball is because the UT Football coaches wanted to shift him from quarterback to tight end. His mobility is not a problem ... not for a left fielder, by any means.

[ZZ Thorn]

Dunn ran a sub 4.5 40 yard dash at UT. One of the reasons he decided to forgo football and persue baseball is because the UT Football coaches wanted to shift him from quarterback to tight end. His mobility is not a problem ... not for a left fielder, by any means.

 

He plays a terrible OF. He's about as good as Dubois, and that's bad. Dunn's offensive plusses ofset his defensive minuses no doubt, but he's a bad fielder. I would certainly say his mobility is a problem.

[Knyption]

Pscyological thing!!! (note i think I am notorious for these types of things)

 

Dunn drinks alot I think, from rural area bad team, he likes to relieve stress with drinks, he gained some weight.

 

That said, if he comes to the cubs he will prolly feel he is the difference maker. And go down in history of the man who made the cubs win the WS.

 

Lemme tell you, Dunn would improve this lineup drastically.

 

Also another thing to consider, you get dunn and do this lineup

 

Walker

Dunn

Lee

Ramirez

Burnitz

Barrett

Patterson

Cedeno

 

 

He will see a ton of strikes.

 

Problem with cincy is dunn has real proven smasher behind him so they throw him junk and hope to get lucky.

 

Put him before lee, he will see pitches.

[JC]

 

He will see a Sh*T ton of strikes.

 

I don't think trying to get around the word censor like this is something that Tim or the mods appreciate.

 

Tim had previously asked people to avoid such attempts in a post some time ago, but I think its be more prevalent recently.

 

Just a friendly suggestion.

[Knightlife_in_Lubbock]

 

He will see a Sh*T ton of strikes.

 

I don't think trying to get around the word censor like this is something that Tim or the mods appreciate.

 

Tim had previously asked people to avoid such attempts in a post some time ago, but I think its be more prevalent recently.

 

Just a friendly suggestion.

 

Thank you Mr. Rogers.

[Tim]

 

He will see a Sh*T ton of strikes.

 

I don't think trying to get around the word censor like this is something that Tim or the mods appreciate.

 

Tim had previously asked people to avoid such attempts in a post some time ago, but I think its be more prevalent recently.

 

Just a friendly suggestion.

What he said.

[JC]

 

He will see a Sh*T ton of strikes.

 

I don't think trying to get around the word censor like this is something that Tim or the mods appreciate.

 

Tim had previously asked people to avoid such attempts in a post some time ago, but I think its be more prevalent recently.

 

Just a friendly suggestion.

 

Thank you Mr. Rogers.

 

Hey, its a slippery slope. Recently, I've noticed this habit more and more. I'm not threatening anyone (as I have no power to do so), and I don't know whether he was aware of that policy. Thus, my post was a simply caution before the mods got to it. Though not a mod, as a responsible member of this community, I make no apologies for bringing a board policy to the forefront when necessary.