Dusty Bad Managerial Moves Thread

[Clogged Basepaths]

Sorry if I can't jump on the back of "hey, good job ONLY letting your starting pitcher go 9 innings"

 

I just can't. I have to disagree. Yanking Z after 118 pitches was maybe one of the most obvious moves in history, has it gotten so bad that we actually start complementing him for not doing the dumbest thing possible?

 

:cry:

 

i guess we should start complimenting him every time he successfully does a double switch without sending the wrong guy up to bad the next inning

 

Haha, totally. I had forgotten about that (worked hard to forget it), ugh. Do they keep stats on total double switches? I think that'd be fairly interesting to see.

[Larry Horse]

can't believe I am agreeing with Bob but, What about a bunt from Walker?

 

doesn't dusty have the Huevos?

 

Walker was sucking up a storm , mix things around get the defense off gaurd.

 

Frustration sets in

 

I believe the quote from Dusty regarding this is "My guys don't bunt." Even though, as the manager, he could have had them working on bunting beginning in spring training. Instead, I guess it's easier to just say "My guys don't bunt".

 

He leaves "Holly" in against a lefty (have to keep "Holly" fresh, another great Dustyism) and brings in Murton to face a righty? Big game Dusty does it again. I'm to the point where I don't know how anyone could defend this boob.

 

Thank god my daughter wanted to watch an Elmo video, and I only got to listen to the first 4 innings, then mercifully, we both fell asleep. :)

[rabidawg900]

LaRussa schools Dusty yet again.

 

It's called a squeeze play.

 

It's called not having Neifi Perez or Todd Hollandsworth on your team.

[ondeckchamps]

LaRussa schools Dusty yet again.

 

 

 

Lets add every other manager in the mlb.

[J.R.]

LaRussa schools Dusty yet again.

 

It's called a squeeze play.

 

It's called not having Neifi Perez or Todd Hollandsworth on your team.

 

That's awesome.

[jyoung55]

LaRussa schools Dusty yet again.

 

It's called a squeeze play.

 

It's called not having Neifi Perez or Todd Hollandsworth on your team.

 

Why no pitch out? I was just listening on the radio but Pat and Ron mentioned the possiiblility of a squeeze. It seemed obvious... but then again I was only listening on the radio.

[radarluv1]

it was a 1-1 count, the whole planet new it was very likely happening on that next pitch. if you pitch out, its 2-1, a pretty neutral count. whats the downside to a pitch out there?

[BadKermit]

it was a 1-1 count, the whole planet new it was very likely happening on that next pitch. if you pitch out, its 2-1, a pretty neutral count. whats the downside to a pitch out there?

And, even if you end up walking Eckstein, you still have a chance to get out of the inning. Dusty gave them no chance to win last night. If I were Z or Prior, I'd demand a trade. What a joke that Z goes 9 innings and gives up one run, and doesn't get a win.

 

Also, anyone care to bet that, if St. Louis had started a lefty and MURTON would have started, and then they had brought in a righty reliever, HOLLANDSWORTH would have pinch-hit for HIM? Anyone want to take me up on that? I think I need to stop watching this team until Dusty gets his pink slip. Last night may be the straw that broke my back. GET OFF YOUR DUFF AND CAN HIM, JIM.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

it was a 1-1 count, the whole planet new it was very likely happening on that next pitch. if you pitch out, its 2-1, a pretty neutral count. whats the downside to a pitch out there?

 

I'm not disagreeing with you, but if you pitchout 1-1, it almost guarantees the squeeze at 2-1 unless you are trying to walk him.

[treebird]

it was a 1-1 count, the whole planet new it was very likely happening on that next pitch. if you pitch out, its 2-1, a pretty neutral count. whats the downside to a pitch out there?

 

I'm not disagreeing with you, but if you pitchout 1-1, it almost guarantees the squeeze at 2-1 unless you are trying to walk him.

 

I was just going to say that. If you pitch out on 1-1, you better just do it again on 2-1 and 3-1.

[YearofDaCubs]

Although, I agree that Dusty is a moron, the moron award for last night's game goes to Walker who was just awful. He was he rally killer last night as far as I'm concerned. We have a crappy bullpen as well. What do you expect is going to happen when you have a below-par manager and bullpen and questionable offense? LOSE!!

[BadKermit]

Although, I agree that Dusty is a moron, the moron award for last night's game goes to Walker who was just awful. He was he rally killer last night as far as I'm concerned. We have a crappy bullpen as well. What do you expect is going to happen when you have a below-par manager and bullpen and questionable offense? LOSE!!

Walker was bad, but not stupid. Walker made physical mistakes, not mental ones. Physical mistakes are okay from time to time. Mental mistakes are inexcusable (see Moises Alou's baserunning last year).

[Stu]

it was a 1-1 count, the whole planet new it was very likely happening on that next pitch. if you pitch out, its 2-1, a pretty neutral count. whats the downside to a pitch out there?

 

I'm not disagreeing with you, but if you pitchout 1-1, it almost guarantees the squeeze at 2-1 unless you are trying to walk him.

 

Actually that would not have been a bad move, to walk him. He meant nothing as a runner, and would have set up a double play.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

it was a 1-1 count, the whole planet new it was very likely happening on that next pitch. if you pitch out, its 2-1, a pretty neutral count. whats the downside to a pitch out there?

 

I'm not disagreeing with you, but if you pitchout 1-1, it almost guarantees the squeeze at 2-1 unless you are trying to walk him.

 

Actually that would not have been a bad move, to walk him. He meant nothing as a runner, and would have set up a double play.

 

That's true, but that also brings you one step closer to Pujols and Edmonds without getting an out. It's basically putting all your eggs in one basket that you get the DP ball. The odds that Pujols(Or Edmonds if you walk Pujols) beats you with 2 outs is higher than Eckstein beating you with 1 IMO.

 

I almost forgot, Welcome to the Forum!!

[Larry Horse]

Hollandsworth .256 Murton .409

 

I also liked how the two rookies had key hits yesterday. This will be my last post regarding playing time for the rooks ( I think ). I've finally accepted that Dusty will not give Murton or Cedeno any substantial playing time.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

Why do you have Neifi bunt when Hawkins is all over the place? Why do you sub in Macias for Hairston when that spot in the order still has a chance to come up. Heck, why do you put Macias in at all. I hate you Dusty. If you were in any other profession, you would be fired by now.

[imb]

thnx for macias

[hawkeyecub]

thnx for macias

 

Hairston was limping quite a bit and I believe he tweaked his ankle.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

gimpy hairston > healthy macias.

 

Also, there is no excuse for murton to be hitting in front of the pitcher. That is just criminal.

[imb]

gimpy hairston > healthy macias.

 

Also, there is no excuse for murton to be hitting in front of the pitcher. That is just criminal.

 

Why not Holly? He has to be able to play CF as well as Macias.

[MembersOnlyJacket]

Hollandsworth .256 Murton .409

 

 

It's not just that, but consider how bad Hollandsworth has been in July:

 

.220/.288/.678 in 58 ab

 

On the other hand, Murton has been phenomenal:

 

.462/.531/1.070 in 26 ab

 

We are fortunate that the Cubs have faced an abnormally high number of LHP this month, or Murton would be rotting away. I would be shocked to see Matt Murton start today, despite the fact that Hollandsworth is 2-24.

[LoneStarCubFan]

gimpy hairston > healthy macias.

 

Also, there is no excuse for murton to be hitting in front of the pitcher. That is just criminal.

 

Why not Holly? He has to be able to play CF as well as Macias.

 

Why didn't Hollandsworth PH in the eighth instead of Gerut? Hollandsworth stinks as an everyday guy but he's the best pinch hitter on the ballclub and Dusty didn't even use him last night.

 

Gerut should have replaced Hairston and Holly should have PH.

 

Of course I say all this knowing full well that if Hairston hadn't been pulled Macias would have been the PH in the 8th.

[LoneStarCubFan]

Hollandsworth .256 Murton .409

 

 

It's not just that, but consider how bad Hollandsworth has been in July:

 

.220/.288/.678 in 58 ab

 

On the other hand, Murton has been phenomenal:

 

.462/.531/1.070 in 26 ab

 

We are fortunate that the Cubs have faced an abnormally high number of LHP this month, or Murton would be rotting away. I would be shocked to see Matt Murton start today, despite the fact that Hollandsworth is 2-24.

 

Dude, Matt played the whole game last night. I didn't use Holly in the eighth inning because I'm saving him for today...

[jyoung55]

it was a 1-1 count, the whole planet new it was very likely happening on that next pitch. if you pitch out, its 2-1, a pretty neutral count. whats the downside to a pitch out there?

 

I'm not disagreeing with you, but if you pitchout 1-1, it almost guarantees the squeeze at 2-1 unless you are trying to walk him.

 

Actually that would not have been a bad move, to walk him. He meant nothing as a runner, and would have set up a double play.

 

That's true, but that also brings you one step closer to Pujols and Edmonds without getting an out. It's basically putting all your eggs in one basket that you get the DP ball. The odds that Pujols(Or Edmonds if you walk Pujols) beats you with 2 outs is higher than Eckstein beating you with 1 IMO.

 

I almost forgot, Welcome to the Forum!!

 

The guy who would have came up was a 93 year old Rookie. And Edmonds and Pujols didnt' look great that whole night.

 

What really would have been putting all of your eggs in one basket is not pitching out there, because you are allowing the attempted suicide squeeze and if you don't stop it, its over.

[LoneStarCubFan]

The fundamental problem with this team is not the bullpen, it's not lack of clutch hitting, it's not even the Bayloresque moves of Dusty the Dumbbutt.

 

No, the over-riding problem with this club is the lack of a sense of urgency. And that starts with the manager.

 

If you know you're not going to get benched regardless of how crappy you play, if you know you aren't going to hear about it for refusing to change your approach at the plate, if you know your manager operates under the "we'll get 'em tomorrow" philosophy it's easy to give away games like the one last night.

 

As well as this club has played since the break (8-5), its record should really be 11-2. There was no excuse for dropping a game at home to Pittsburgh, coughing up a four-run lead to Cincy and hacking for the fences with a 20-mph wind blowing in your faces against a junkball no-name slapdick from San Francisco.

 

Give Houston this schedule and they're 11-2 right now. They play with a sense of urgency. This team doesn't. And that failing lies entirely at Dusty Baker's feet.