Dusty Bad Managerial Moves Thread

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Anyone read the Cub Reporter today?

 

Transmission[/url]"]It’s the top of the ninth, your team is down by one run, there’s a runner on first, and two outs. Right-handed reliever on the mound, and you need a pinch-hitter. Given these three-year splits against right-handed pitchers, who do you go with?

 

Player A .249/.279/.313/.592

 

Player B .267/.313/.600/.913

 

Player C .279/.359/.389/.748

 

Player D .198/.245/.320/.565

 

Player E .227/.254/.318/.572

 

 

Player D is your back-up catcher and the weakest hitter, so he’s eliminated.

 

Player C is the only player to have faced this pitcher before, going 2 for 6 with 2 doubles. He looks pretty good.

 

Player B only has 15 career at bats against right-handed pitchers in the majors, but also has a strong track record in the minor leagues

 

Players A and E both look incredibly weak.

 

The correct choice then, seems to be either B or C.

 

So why in the world did Dusty Baker choose Player A? (Neifi Perez) over B (Dubois) C (Hairston) or even player E, who hits for more power than player A in a situation that calls for an extra-base hit? (Player E, by the way, is Glendon Rusch, player F would be, appropriately, Jose F. Macias, but he had already been used.)

 

The only plausible answer Baker could use would seem to be “lefty vs. righty,” but if that’s the rationale, give me Rusch at the plate over Perez.

[JC]

quote? I guess everyone uses the cgi ez board things now, huh? The smiley faces and fake html and stuff.

 

I suppose I should adapt...I am used to the old newsgroup quoting method.

 

Is there a reason it bothers you so? Just curious.

 

It is awkward to see, but I wouldn't say it bothers me. Judging by your post count, I thought that perhaps you were a relative novice, and I would have offered a helpful suggestion that I thought would have made things easier for you.

[BigbadB]

For a nominal fee of course. :D

[Transmogrified Tiger]

More statistical fun...

 

3 Year Splits vs. LHP

 

Player A: .247/.271/.360/.631

 

Player B: .241/.273/.355/.628

 

Player C: .244/.261/.422/.683 (2 year splits: .297/.315/.513/.828)

 

 

Who are these guys?

[minnesotacubsfan]

More statistical fun...

 

3 Year Splits vs. LHP

 

Player A: .247/.271/.360/.631

 

Player B: .241/.273/.355/.628

 

Player C: .244/.261/.422/.683 (2 year splits: .297/.315/.513/.828)

 

 

Who are these guys?

 

a: macias

 

b: perez

 

c: holla

[Transmogrified Tiger]

More statistical fun...

 

3 Year Splits vs. LHP

 

Player A: .247/.271/.360/.631

 

Player B: .241/.273/.355/.628

 

Player C: .244/.261/.422/.683 (2 year splits: .297/.315/.513/.828)

 

 

Who are these guys?

 

a: macias

 

b: perez

 

c: holla

 

A and B are correct, but C is wrong.

[minnesotacubsfan]

hmmmmmm

 

could c be blanco?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

hmmmmmm

 

could c be blanco?

 

Nope.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Zambrano.

[minnesotacubsfan]

hmmmmmm

 

could c be blanco?

 

Nope.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Zambrano.

 

I knew you were trying to trick me :D

 

shoulda used him last night

[cubs dane]

Based on the last few post I think we should have game show threads or sections. Tim it your call. Maybe only 2. A general game show category. An a baseball game show category.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Yes, our pitchers are better options with the bat then Neifury and Macias. Shoulda used Bartosh last night. :P

[minnesotacubsfan]

Based on the last few post I think we should have game show threads or sections. Tim it your call. Maybe only 2. A general game show category. An a baseball game show category.

 

 

SOUNDS LIKE AN EGG-CELLENT IDEA!!

 

 

AS WELL AS A FUN WAY TO BUILD BASEBALL KNOWLEDGE!!!

[ZZ Thorn]

I think that this cubreporter guy's saying that they should have used Rusch instead of Macias is a perfect case of how some people overestimate the value of statistics. There is no manager who would use Rusch over Neifi in that situation. If a manager did, he'd be run out of town.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I think that this cubreporter guy's saying that they should have used Rusch instead of Macias is a perfect case of how some people overestimate the value of statistics. There is no manager who would use Rusch over Neifi in that situation. If a manager did, he'd be run out of town.

 

Do you doubt that Rusch(or Zambrano) is more likely to help the team than Macias and Perez in that situation?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I think that this cubreporter guy's saying that they should have used Rusch instead of Macias is a perfect case of how some people overestimate the value of statistics. There is no manager who would use Rusch over Neifi in that situation. If a manager did, he'd be run out of town.

 

I don't believe that was Transmission's point. I think it was summed up when he quoted Lloyd McClendon: "I like having a left-handed hitter, but having a left-handed hitter just for the sake of having a left-handed hitter doesn’t mean a damned thing if he can’t hit." There's no excuse for Jerry Hariston, Jr. not PH.

[JC]

[bragging]I just received a phone call from a buddy who has some tickets for next Tuesday's game and offered one to me. While the opposing team is an uninspiring San Diego squad, the seats are allegedly the new ones behind home plate. Thus, I will be able to counsel Dusty on his moves for one game. I'm certain he will be ecstatic.[/bragging]

[minnesotacubsfan]

[bragging]I just received a phone call from a buddy who has some tickets for next Tuesday's game and offered one to me. While the opposing team is an uninspiring San Diego squad, the seats are allegedly the new ones behind home plate. Thus, I will be able to counsel Dusty on his moves for one game. I'm certain he will be ecstatic.[/bragging]

 

 

 

(patting oneself on the back)

 

lol

[AI]

But as for my opinion on managers in general, I believe the manager knows a lot more than I do.

 

Not to nitpick one little part of your well thought-out post, but I disagree with this idea. Just because Dusty was a good baseball player does not make him a good manager. There are countless examples where one does not translate to the other, in all sports (Magic Johnson is one example). Further, I think baseball is one sport where fans can have an understanding of "strategery" that is greater than or equal to the manager.

 

I agree that the only situations that we are not privy to are the day in day out health issues of the players (and that includes things like guys having a bad hangover or the runs or something like that).

 

In Dusty's case, there have been too many instances of glaringly poor managing to constantly hide behind the excuse that he has more information than we do. I would venture to say that there are a few folks around here that could do a better job managing a game than Dusty.

[Mark_R]

[bragging]I just received a phone call from a buddy who has some tickets for next Tuesday's game and offered one to me. While the opposing team is an uninspiring San Diego squad, the seats are allegedly the new ones behind home plate. Thus, I will be able to counsel Dusty on his moves for one game. I'm certain he will be ecstatic.[/bragging]

 

Hopefully its as nice out then as it is today in Chicago. 67 for next Monday when I'm going. In the Bleachers and likely Dumpster pitching :(

 

I'll relay my Dusty criticisms to Holla. "Some dude in Left Field says you should pull me for Dubois."

[ZZ Thorn]

But as for my opinion on managers in general, I believe the manager knows a lot more than I do.

 

Not to nitpick one little part of your well thought-out post, but I disagree with this idea. Just because Dusty was a good baseball player does not make him a good manager. There are countless examples where one does not translate to the other, in all sports (Magic Johnson is one example). Further, I think baseball is one sport where fans can have an understanding of "strategery" that is greater than or equal to the manager.

 

I agree that the only situations that we are not privy to are the day in day out health issues of the players (and that includes things like guys having a bad hangover or the runs or something like that).

 

In Dusty's case, there have been too many instances of glaringly poor managing to constantly hide behind the excuse that he has more information than we do. I would venture to say that there are a few folks around here that could do a better job managing a game than Dusty.

 

Well thanks for the compliment. I think at least Dusty has a ton of experience on his side, definitely more than me and I'd guess more than most. He could misuse that info, like your point about Magic, that is somewhat true....

 

I will make this statement: there are a ton of people who think they could manager better than Dusty who actually can't. Most of them post on message boards.

 

I think Zambo or Rusch are a guaranteed K in that situation. I think the opposing pitcher bears down and makes them look stupid. I think half of pitcher's hits come from the opposing pitcher not taking them seriously. I think anyone who advises using Rusch over Macias in a hitting situation needs to back away from the calculator.

[AI]

Well thanks for the compliment. I think at least Dusty has a ton of experience on his side, definitely more than me and I'd guess more than most. He could misuse that info, like your point about Magic, that is somewhat true....

 

I will make this statement: there are a ton of people who think they could manager better than Dusty who actually can't. Most of them post on message boards.

 

I think Zambo or Rusch are a guaranteed K in that situation. I think the opposing pitcher bears down and makes them look stupid. I think half of pitcher's hits come from the opposing pitcher not taking them seriously. I think anyone who advises using Rusch over Macias in a hitting situation needs to back away from the calculator.

 

I wouldn't have considered Zambrano or Rusch in that situation, and I think some people have brought them up are just making a point. I agree with your assessment of why some pitchers get hits. However, that was not the case in last night's game.

 

As for Dusty's experience, I agree he has a ton, but he has shown time and time again that he has either learned very little from it, or he completely disregards it. Either one is unacceptable.

[Laura]

[bragging]I just received a phone call from a buddy who has some tickets for next Tuesday's game and offered one to me. While the opposing team is an uninspiring San Diego squad, the seats are allegedly the new ones behind home plate. Thus, I will be able to counsel Dusty on his moves for one game. I'm certain he will be ecstatic.[/bragging]

 

Hopefully you'll get to see Prior's debut. Those seats are excellent; live it up for the rest of us!

 

But I don't think Dusty takes well to managing advice. Dude.

[imb]

But as for my opinion on managers in general, I believe the manager knows a lot more than I do.

 

Not to nitpick one little part of your well thought-out post, but I disagree with this idea. Just because Dusty was a good baseball player does not make him a good manager. There are countless examples where one does not translate to the other, in all sports (Magic Johnson is one example). Further, I think baseball is one sport where fans can have an understanding of "strategery" that is greater than or equal to the manager.

 

I agree that the only situations that we are not privy to are the day in day out health issues of the players (and that includes things like guys having a bad hangover or the runs or something like that).

 

In Dusty's case, there have been too many instances of glaringly poor managing to constantly hide behind the excuse that he has more information than we do. I would venture to say that there are a few folks around here that could do a better job managing a game than Dusty.

 

Well thanks for the compliment. I think at least Dusty has a ton of experience on his side, definitely more than me and I'd guess more than most. He could misuse that info, like your point about Magic, that is somewhat true....

 

I will make this statement: there are a ton of people who think they could manager better than Dusty who actually can't. Most of them post on message boards.

 

I think Zambo or Rusch are a guaranteed K in that situation. I think the opposing pitcher bears down and makes them look stupid. I think half of pitcher's hits come from the opposing pitcher not taking them seriously. I think anyone who advises using Rusch over Macias in a hitting situation needs to back away from the calculator.

 

The point isnt that Zambrano or Rusch or Ghandi should have been sent up there, the point is, Macias and Neifi are so GOD AWFUL, that somehow, two fat pitchers have better situational lifetime averages than they do. Arguing otherwise is just being obtuse.

[frostwyrm]

I might use a pitcher to PH, but only if it were an obvious bunting situation. Some pitchers are pretty good bunters. But if I needed a hit I would have to use a position player Of course Neifi would be my LAST choice to PH down 1 run in the bottom of the 9th with 2 outs and a runner on 1st.

[cubweiser03]

No one has mentioned anything about maddux's performance last night. wth. i know this is a dusty bad manager move thread or whatever, but maddux's pitching last night wasnt great. Y'all can complain about neifi in the ninth or macias in the 7th. sure neifi in the ninth was really important but what about greg. the dude is an absolute long fly machine now. last year 35 long ones and this year aint so great so far. hell 35 of his 95 ER's last year were homers and thats without adding the runners on base. Dusty's one "questionable" move doesnt seem to make up for gregs awful performance.